Skip to comments.Daniels to have ‘a long look’ at illegal entry bill before decision to sign or veto(IN)
Posted on 03/13/2012 4:41:08 AM PDT by marktwain
NDIANAPOLIS Gov. Mitch Daniels said Monday he hasnt decided whether hell sign or veto a bill that is meant to give Hoosiers more authority to block police who try to enter their homes illegally.
Senate Bill 1 passed late Friday night just hours before lawmaker adjourned their session despite opposition from some police organizations and concerns about whether some residents might misunderstand the legislation.
Supporters said the bill restores law-abiding citizens right to self-defense.
But Daniels said hes not ready to talk yet about whether hell sign the bill into law.
I want to have a long look at it, Daniels said.
If signed into law, the legislation will overturn a controversial decision made last year by the Indiana Supreme Court that stripped Hoosiers of what had been seen as a common-law right to resist anyone including law enforcement trying to enter their homes illegally.
The House approved the bill 67-26 and the Senate passed it 38-12.
The bill will essentially expand the states Castle Doctrine a law that gives homeowners the right to defend their property against invasion to include situations involving police. But it also provides some new but limited protections against the use of deadly force against police, unless an individual fears for his life or the lives of others.
The Fraternal Order of Police opposed the bill, despite the added protection. Officers said the courts decision actually offered them the most protection and they preferred that the legislature do nothing.
Other critics said the legislation might lead some Hoosiers to believe they have the right to defend their homes against any police entry, even those that are legal.
But Young said the legislation will only be misconstrued if critics and the media share inaccurate information.
At the time the Indiana Supreme Court made its ruling last year, Daniels said he was puzzled by the decision.
But during the just-ended legislative session, Daniels stayed out of the debate. Now he said hell need more time to consider the issue and see if anyone has anything to say I havent already heard.
Lesley Weidenbener is the managing editor of TheStatehouseFile.com, a news website powered by Franklin College journalism students.
How significant is the question of whether Daniels will sign? Isn't that margin enough to override a veto?
Enlighten me: under what circumstances do police have a LEGAL right to ILLEGALLY enter someone’s home? I may not be the brightest crayon in the box, but that seems to be a contradiction.
From what I know, Indiana is the only state where police have a RIGHT to enter a house illegally (i.e., without a warrant), thanks to a court ruling. If Daniels spends more than 30 seconds reading the abstract to the bill before signing, we have a very dangerous politician in our midst.
There are a few exceptions to the requirement for a warrant:
1.Hot pusuit of a criminal, or emergencies when it is immediately required to protect life, and waiting for a warrant would endanger life.
2. When evidence of a crime is in plain view.
3. When consent is given.
Both 1 and 3 seem to apply in this case.
I understand those exceptions, but by definition they’re not ILLEGAL. As you say, they are LEGAL exceptions to to the warrant requirement.
It sounds like Daniels was “persuaded” to look at/delay/kill the passed bill by... who knows who? Or am I just imagining things, mt?
In Indiana, you can override a veto with a majority vote. But here, because the legislature fooled around too long in passing it, there can be no veto override because the legislature is no longer in session.
But there is also no pocket veto in Indiana, so Mitch could just let the thing become law without his signature.
I think we are in agreement.
You know wrong. The court decision—which was incorrect, I believe—simply provided that the home owners couldn’t resist unlawful police entry. The decision didn’t foreclose the owner from pursuing legal remedies against the police for unlawful entry.
Neither apply in this case. For 1, no hot pursuit and no endangered life. For 3, neither Barnes nor his wife gave the police consent, he said no and she was no non committal. The police and courts really messed this one up.
You are correct.
I posted a response aimed at another thread:
If anyone was wondering why they weren’t high on Daniels for President now you know.
His decision will tell us whether he ever intends to run for POTUS. (a veto will kneecap any chances he might have)
“You know wrong. The court decisionwhich was incorrect, I believesimply provided that the home owners couldnt resist unlawful police entry. The decision didnt foreclose the owner from pursuing legal remedies against the police for unlawful entry.”
You should have read some of the stuff that I read about the decision, it was A LOT WORSE than the apologists want people to know.