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Reports: Death Penalty Possible in Afghan Killings Case ( Panetta Puke )
NationalJournal ^ | A.D. 13 March 2012 | Sara Sorcher

Posted on 03/13/2012 7:43:07 AM PDT by Robert Drobot

Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said the death penalty could be possible as the military investigates a U.S. soldier suspected of shooting and killing at least 16 Afghans on Sunday, according to the Associated Press. Speaking to reporters traveling with him to Kyrgyzstan on Monday, Panetta said the killings must not derail the U.S.-led military mission in Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, Reuters cites a U.S. official as saying the Army staff sergeant was treated for a traumatic brain injury sustained in 2010 in Iraq. The official, however, did not say there was necessarily a link between that injury and the killing spree in Afghanistan.

Gen. John Allen, commander of the U.S.-led coalition in Afghanistan, told CNN earlier on Monday that the suspect acted alone. The soldier, who was supporting a village stability operation to help local police, was quickly noticed when he left his base in the Panjwai district in southern Afghanistan. As the American soldiers realized who was missing during a headcount, and the search party was forming, Allen said, "we began having indications of the outcome of his departure."

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; bias; deathpenalty; justice; law; leonpanetta; military; panetta; workplaceviolence
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The death penality, in this case, should be reserved for the person(s) responsible for returning this poor man to front-line duty.

Assigned a FOURTH TOUR after suffering a brain injury; it was known he had destabalizing personal ( family ) pressures.

This guy was a ticking time-bomb, AND HE WAS IGNORED !!!!!!

The monkey is on Panetts's a-hole combat ready policies, and this guy's going to get shafted to cover Panetta's commie ass.

1 posted on 03/13/2012 7:43:19 AM PDT by Robert Drobot
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That is all news to me. Where did you read that?

Assigned a FOURTH TOUR after suffering a brain injury; i

2 posted on 03/13/2012 7:45:14 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Robert Drobot

“the Army staff sergeant was treated for a traumatic brain injury sustained in 2010 in Iraq.”

First I’ve heard of this.


3 posted on 03/13/2012 7:53:06 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Robert Drobot

Death Penalty my ass, he’s literally a Sacrificial Lamb.


4 posted on 03/13/2012 7:53:14 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: DManA
Brain-Damaged Soldier, Fourth Tour, Kills 16,

http://blogs.alternet.org/jacobfreeze/2012/03/12/brain-damaged-soldier-fourth-tour-kills-16/

The US soldier accused of killing 16 villagers in Afghanistan had suffered a traumatic brain injury on an earlier tour in Iraq, according to a US official. The army staff sergeant was seriously injured when he was in a vehicle that rolled during a tour of duty in 2010, the official revealed.

The sergeant had previously served on three tours of Iraq.

Three tours in Iraq already? NO PROBLEM!

Traumatic brain damage? NO PROBLEM!

Google the damn thing yourself !!!!!!!!!!!!

5 posted on 03/13/2012 7:55:05 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Fiat voluntas tua)
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Insanity! bad enough for a healthy man to do four tours! and they shouldnt have to do that but to take a guy that had already been court martialed once before and suffered from traumatic brain injury and send him for a 4th tour is unforgiveable...the doctors should be hung out to dry on this one.


6 posted on 03/13/2012 7:56:42 AM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: Robert Drobot

Thanks.


7 posted on 03/13/2012 7:58:06 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Robert Drobot

If this happened on Bush’s watch, this would be Abu Ghraib times 1000.


8 posted on 03/13/2012 8:00:23 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Use your search engine.


9 posted on 03/13/2012 8:01:48 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Fiat voluntas tua)
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To: Robert Drobot

Exactly.

What happened to the maniac Muslim who murdered and shot up those American servicemen on an American military base in Texas (Ft. Hood?)

Much ado about nothing. The fewer Musims the better.


10 posted on 03/13/2012 8:02:37 AM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: Robert Drobot
The death penality, in this case, should be reserved for the person(s) responsible for returning this poor man to front-line duty.

Assigned a FOURTH TOUR after suffering a brain injury; it was known he had destabalizing personal ( family ) pressures.

This guy was a ticking time-bomb, AND HE WAS IGNORED !!!!!!

Yep, and nothing will happen to them just as nothing has happened to the people who ignored the Ft. Hood shooter's rants. If this was the private sector heads would roll..well generally heads would roll.

11 posted on 03/13/2012 8:03:03 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Robert Drobot

In instead of blaming Obama, they’re blaming Frickin’ Rush Limbaugh!


12 posted on 03/13/2012 8:04:53 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

What I get a kick out of is that this traitorous Panetta is already talking about the death penalty, and has yet commented likewise on this rughead officer, U.S. Major Nidal Hasan, who killed 13 people, has yet to be commented likewise by this POS leftover from the disgusting Clinton years.

Was this soldier who recently killed 16 people felt to be innocent until found guilty? Huh? Panetta? You’re disgusting.


13 posted on 03/13/2012 8:09:22 AM PDT by laweeks
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To: Robert Drobot

Mental illness for the Ft Hood massacre mooolsem perp and he gets the best defense possible, but implied death penalty out right for this soldier?


14 posted on 03/13/2012 8:10:33 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Robert Drobot
Symptoms of Traumatic Brain Injury(TBI)

“A person with a moderate or severe TBI may have a headache that does not go away, repeated vomiting or nausea, convulsions, an inability to awaken, dilation of one or both pupils, slurred speech, aphasia (word-finding difficulties), dysarthria (muscle weakness that causes disordered speech), weakness or numbness in the limbs, loss of coordination, confusion, restlessness, or agitation.

Common long-term symptoms of moderate to severe TBI are changes in appropriate social behavior, deficits in social judgment, and cognitive changes, especially problems with sustained attention, processing speed, and executive functioning. Alexithymia, a deficiency in identifying, understanding, processing, and describing emotions occurs in 60.9% of individuals with TBI. Cognitive and social deficits have long-term consequences for the daily lives of people with moderate to severe TBI”

Add to this the stress of being in Afghanistan with troops murdered by Afghan civilians and Obama apologizing for the troops. Add to that the Obama rules of engagement that allow Afghans among civilians to kill Americans and Americans unable to defend themselves.

The true story will never be told by the paid liars in the MSM. Here is a true patriot injured in service to his country and on his 4th tour.

15 posted on 03/13/2012 8:11:10 AM PDT by detective
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"....the doctors should be hung out to dry on this one...."

They're following Pentagon policy written by politically appointed pencil pushing admerials and generals, and approved by a commie dork who has his head stuffed so far up his a$$ for so long he'd be blinded by daylight.

And this damn twit who never held a gun, let alone killed another man, dares to vovmit his gutless opinion.

Panetta should be on trial!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

16 posted on 03/13/2012 8:12:51 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Fiat voluntas tua)
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To: Robert Drobot

Exactly. If this occurred on Bush’s watch, the focus would not be on the solider (and rightfully so), but on the higher up (leading right to “Boooosh”) who approved this guy after suffering a brain injury in Iraq.


17 posted on 03/13/2012 8:15:33 AM PDT by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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To: Robert Drobot

Panetta is quick to bring up the death penalty in this case but what about the Ft Hood shooter who was in his right mind when he murdered 13 people in the name of Islam?


18 posted on 03/13/2012 8:15:55 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: Robert Drobot

It seems to me his attorneys will have a slam dunk. They of course would admit it, but will plead insanity. I am not completely familiar with this aspect of UCMJ but it does seem by all indications the alleged murdered did in fact “snap” and went postal, i.e. total insanity. FOr that, I see him perhaps being placed in a mental institution for at least 40 years if not life, but I would highly doubt they would attempt the death penalty. I am only saying this based on whether this was in fact one lone man who went out into civilian areas and fired upon the defenseless because of horrible mental problems in his head. Methinks Panetta is trying to cool the “Muslim Street” down for the sake of trying to take the heat off our guys there who are now sitting ducks, but what he does not realize is it will only ramp up the expectation by Muslim World that in fact this punishment would be meted out...if for any legal reason it is not, you can expect further hell from them, maybe even more towers on US soil to go down. This is like sticking a BB gun in a hornets nest and just letting go with one shot, without any kind of protection.


19 posted on 03/13/2012 8:17:54 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If this tagline box could take FOREIGN SCRIPT fonts, Man oh Man could I have some fun!!)
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To: Robert Drobot

The guy should have been on medical leave. He got a green light on his health from someone? bad enough for a healthy soldier to do four tours but give me a break on this one..traumatic brain injury and a previous court martial? something is amiss here and watch this man be the sacrificial lamb.
Also, the guy had been stripped down to a lower rank before this final tour...sheesh. How do they treat traumatic and serious brain injuries?


20 posted on 03/13/2012 8:19:03 AM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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To: DManA

Not to have to “internet condom” up, or anything, but I DO wonder what they are saying about this over at Democratic Underground. If they are calling for his public execution, without a trial. Should be real interesting over there, considering how generally anti-death penalty in nature they are, and when a mass murdered in Texas gets the injection(s), they have memorial services and wakes over there on that site.


21 posted on 03/13/2012 8:22:32 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If this tagline box could take FOREIGN SCRIPT fonts, Man oh Man could I have some fun!!)
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If Ft Hood was workplace violence, per the Obama thugs, what is this? Community outreach?


22 posted on 03/13/2012 8:25:38 AM PDT by PghBaldy (ch?)
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To: Robert Drobot

Meanwhile Gitmo terrorist are enjoying their new soccer field........


23 posted on 03/13/2012 8:26:32 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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“the Army staff sergeant was treated for a traumatic brain injury sustained in 2010 in Iraq.”

New info there... didn't know that was the case. Sounds like a mitigating factor to me.

24 posted on 03/13/2012 8:27:05 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too much.)
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To: Robert Drobot

The death penalty will never happen. The brain injury will spare him both that and a lengthy prison term.


25 posted on 03/13/2012 8:27:33 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Robert Drobot

It’s only a matter of time until Panetta ships that soldier off to the World Court. 0bama is only the ‘front man’ for the REAL change.


26 posted on 03/13/2012 8:32:14 AM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Robert Drobot

Local Seattle news is now reporting that he was trained as a sniper - the story keeps changing, which really makes me wonder what backstory the military/media are hiding.


27 posted on 03/13/2012 8:33:14 AM PDT by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: montag813

That plus the fact that the U.S. military has not executed anyone since 1961.


28 posted on 03/13/2012 8:34:16 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: Robert Drobot

It’s common courtesy to post a link when you bring new information to a thread.


29 posted on 03/13/2012 8:36:20 AM PDT by DManA
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We’ll soon learn that the shooter’s name was Captain Jonathan S. Tuttle.


30 posted on 03/13/2012 8:38:03 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Robert Drobot

“Use your search engine.”

I didn’t even know about this until now. Had no reason to search for something I was unaware of. I have now.


31 posted on 03/13/2012 8:38:39 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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From some quick reading I gather that the military’s response to traumatic brain injury is woefully inadequate; both in terms of medical treatment offered and in understanding long term impact on the injured.


32 posted on 03/13/2012 8:39:18 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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To: Robert Drobot

When Panetta isn’t back-stabbing the brave men he manipulates for power gain, he is outting the Pakistani doctor who helped us find bin Laden.

No idea of when to keep his mouth shut. Literally a loose cannon.


33 posted on 03/13/2012 8:40:31 AM PDT by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: Robert Drobot

Lets see if the usual suspects of ambulance chases get in line to defend him pro bono.


34 posted on 03/13/2012 8:41:00 AM PDT by AU72
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To: ZULU

The Fort Hood terrorist received better treatment than this young sergeant, who was suffering from traumatic brain injury and PTSD. The man should never have been sent back to the Middle East, let alone to that region of Afghanistan.

This incident was Obama’s fault. Obama called for the Afghanistan Surge, saying that Afghanistan was the RIGHT war, that Iraq was not. Then Obama changed the rules of engagement, denying our military the right to defend themselves. Obama owes the world an apology, as well as an apology to our troops.


35 posted on 03/13/2012 8:42:58 AM PDT by Eva
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One other thing...this guy was a staff sergeant...knocked down for Sgt First Class. You can't be a slouch and make that rank..and he was 38 yrs old.

would not be surprised if the military did not want to give him medical disability for his brain injury..so deemed him fit to go over on tour number 4. Four tours is bad enough for a healthy soldier..

36 posted on 03/13/2012 8:45:54 AM PDT by katiedidit1 ("This is one race of people for whom psychoanalysis is of no use whatsoever." the Irish)
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From some quick reading I gather that the military’s response to traumatic brain injury is woefully inadequate; both in terms of medical treatment offered and in understanding long term impact on the injured.

If you'll excuse a few of the blatant left-wing shots here, George Carlin was right on:

"I don't like words that hide the truth. I don't words that conceal reality. I don't like euphemisms, or euphemistic language. And American English is loaded with euphemisms. Cause Americans have a lot of trouble dealing with reality. Americans have trouble facing the truth, so they invent the kind of a soft language to protest themselves from it, and it gets worse with every generation. For some reason, it just keeps getting worse."

" I'll give you an example of that. There's a condition in combat. Most people know about it. It's when a fighting person's nervous system has been stressed to it's absolute peak and maximum. Can't take anymore input. The nervous system has either (click) snapped or is about to snap. In the first world war, that condition was called 'Shell Shock.'

Simple, honest, direct language. Two syllables, 'Shell Shock.' Almost sounds like the guns themselves. That was seventy years ago.

Then a whole generation went by and the Second World War came along and very same combat condition was called 'Battle Fatigue.' Four syllables now. Takes a little longer to say. Doesn't seem to hurt as much. 'Fatigue' is a nicer word than 'Shock.' 'Shell shock!' 'Battle Fatigue.'

Then we had the war in Korea, 1950. Madison Avenue was riding high by that time, and the very same combat condition was called 'Operational Exhaustion.' Hey, were up to eight syllables now! And the humanity has been squeezed completely out of the phrase. It's totally sterile now. 'Operational Exhaustion.' Sounds like something that might happen to your car.

Then of course, came the war in Viet Nam, which has only been over for about sixteen or seventeen years, and thanks to the lies and deceits surrounding that war, I guess it's no surprise that the very same condition was called 'Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.' Still eight syllables, but we've added a hyphen! And the pain is completely buried under jargon. 'Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder.' I'll bet you if we'd of still been calling it 'Shell Shock', some of those Viet Nam veterans might have gotten the attention they needed at the time. I'll betcha. I'll betcha.

37 posted on 03/13/2012 8:46:32 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Robert Drobot

“Afghan killings bring the war to presidential campaign debate” is the Washington Post’s headline.. This is exactly why this occurred. I do not believe this was a rogue soldier. He was merely part of a plot to discredit ‘those evil republicans who started the war in Afghanistan’ for purposes of 0bama’s campaign leverage.


38 posted on 03/13/2012 9:00:18 AM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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The death penality, in this case, should be reserved for the person(s) responsible for returning this poor man to front-line duty. Assigned a FOURTH TOUR after suffering a brain injury; it was known he had destabalizing personal ( family ) pressures.

OMG. That poor man. They had no business sending him back.

39 posted on 03/13/2012 9:01:24 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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I was always under the impression that PTSD was a psychological condition brought on by the stress of a person witnessing extremely traumatic events in combat. I did not think it equated with traumatic brain injury.

I would not be at all surprised if both conditions did not receive the medical care and attention they warrant. In part because of the push to get soldiers back into active service as quickly as possible because of the need for man power.

Panetta should be rode out of town on a rail.


40 posted on 03/13/2012 9:02:25 AM PDT by lastchance ("Nisi credideritis, non intelligetis" St. Augustine)
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Its certainly appropriate for a US court marshal panel to consider the death penalty in this case whether it should be leveled is up to them.

We are in a long term struggle with radical Islam requiring multiple tours of duty under the current force structure. This illustrates the folly of the planned defense cuts, if we want our troops to be healthy then we need to add troops not cut them and be willing to pay for it. Many serve four or more tours of duty without cracking.

Finally I had a similar TBI and it not an excuse for killing 16 women and children.

41 posted on 03/13/2012 9:12:05 AM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Robert Drobot

Maybe this is an overly simplistic question, but I wonder what this Sergeant had against the particular Afghanis he shot.

Yes, I know there were women and children involved. Still, the “children” could be in their late teens and as a woman myself, I know women are not always innocent.


42 posted on 03/13/2012 9:18:21 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Robert Drobot

What mission?


43 posted on 03/13/2012 9:26:00 AM PDT by onedoug
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While I strongly support (and lived most of my adult life in) the professional military, this is an example of how the few shouldering an enormous burden tha tshould be a national responsibilty, can result in the exhaustion and deterioration of a man’s ablity to perform dnagerous tasks that no other situation can replicate. Firemen, police, trauma folks all go home at night to a dose of “normalcy”; our professional warriors go on and on and on for, in this example, 4+ years of combat deployments. I know of guys who have six and seven full tours down (Army tours, until this year, are at least 13 months)-they are consummate pros, but human nonetheless. True, this SSG is a volunteeer. He could ETS at any re-up point if he chose to, but he answered the call and stood up to the duty.

This man is responsible for his actions if otherwise sane, accounting for other mitigating circumstances.

Having served “tours” to these places myself, I cannot but wonder why more of our warriors do not figure out that it is really them against us. There is no resolution to the AFG or IRQ situations for that matter- they will continue to kill themselves and us over themselves no matter what resources we apply.

Welcome to Islam.....ROP.

We won the war(s), let’s now depart with honor. The Afghanis can do whatever they want, as they demonstrate daily, regardless of how much treasure, human or mammon, we throw at them.

This SSG will surely pay for what he has done, as will likley many others in theater. Hatfields and McCoys all over again.

I strongly support our involvement in matters of national security, but nation building is proven to be a flawed and failing concept.

May God help this Warrior, as our government surely won’t.

Almost makes me want to see a draft- only then, I think, will the rank and file of American Families stand up and speak to the issues.


44 posted on 03/13/2012 9:26:18 AM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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To: dfwgator

Just to clarify, Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI), from which this Staff Sergeant suffers, differs from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD).

TBI is a general term denoting some type of physical injury to the brain tissue, such as a concussion, an internal bleed, a penetrating injury or the like.

PSTD is a psychological disorder.


45 posted on 03/13/2012 9:29:30 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Robert Drobot

Death penality is open for treasonous operatives within the US government as well, Panetta.


46 posted on 03/13/2012 9:50:52 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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“We’ll soon learn that the shooter’s name was Captain Jonathan S. Tuttle” : )

I am really starting to question this whole story - it is like every stereotype the left has against the military all rolled into one. What if this was actually a Taliban attack that the Afghans decided to blame on someone in the US Military so as to keep the locals stoked up...our Dear Leader and dumb as a brick Panetta would buy the whole thing without bothering to check the facts because it fits their preconceived ideas that US Soldiers are Neanderthal killing machines....so they they can’t backtrack and admit they were had so they are creating a “soldier” who shouldn’t have been there.


47 posted on 03/13/2012 10:00:41 AM PDT by VikingMom (I may not know what the future holds but I know who holds the future!)
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To: keats5
There was mention that the SSgt was injured in a rollover accident in Iraq. That may be the physical event associated with the suspected TBI.
48 posted on 03/13/2012 10:23:57 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: Robert Drobot; All

Traumatic brain injury is a really horrible thing that can manifest itself in self destructive psychotic conduct many years after the injury. I know from a tragic incident in my own family. The now now deceased son of a cousin of mine suffered a horrible traumatic brain injury in a hit and run accident at age 12. He functioned, apparently normally, until about two ago when, at about age 40, he received a major promotion at work. Just then all of his private torments got to him. He carefully planned and performed his own suicide by hanging.

Now just imagine this staff sergeant who suffered an equally frightful brain injury and is forced, over and over, endlessly to cycle back to the same pointless horror. The real surprise is this kind of break has only happened to one man rather than many. I’d say, from my own tragic experience, that this guy might be not guilty due to temporary insanity resulting from extreme brain trauma.


49 posted on 03/13/2012 10:29:31 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Robert Drobot
a head injury caused by an on-duty vehicle roll over will prevent any death penalty being sought. In a civilian case he might well end up in a mental hospital.
50 posted on 03/13/2012 1:06:59 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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