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SOLDIER MURDERS AFGHANS, GENERALS MURDER SOLDIERS: It Was Only a Matter of Time...
Family Security Matters Foundation ^ | March 13, 2012 | Ralph Peters

Posted on 03/13/2012 7:43:10 AM PDT by Cocoa2012

Right now, our troops are being used as props in a campaign year, as pawns by dull-witted generals who just don’t know what else to do, and as cash cows by corrupt Afghan politicians, generals and warlords (all of whom agree that it’s virtuous to rob the Americans blind).

What are our goals? What is our strategy? We’re told, endlessly, that things are improving in Afghanistan, yet, ten years ago, a U.S. Army general, unarmed, could walk the streets of Kabul without risk. Today, there is no city in Afghanistan where a U.S. general could stroll the streets. We may not have a genius for war, but we sure do have a genius for kidding ourselves...

www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.11585/pub_detail.asp

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; electionyear; politics; soldier
That staff sergeant murdered sixteen Afghans. But where is the real madness? Is it our own leaders - the President, Congress and the Generals - instead who are to blame? Read Col. Ralph Peters' brilliant essay on this very question - and let us hear what you think.
1 posted on 03/13/2012 7:43:24 AM PDT by Cocoa2012
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To: Cocoa2012

That’s right, and the Taliban don’t pose a threat to the region at all. They are not a real takeover risk in Nuclear Armed Pakistan either. And they don’t seek to carry out terrorist attacks on foreign nation’s soil.

Other than that, a brilliant presentation.


2 posted on 03/13/2012 7:47:33 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: Cocoa2012

Does anybody besides me think it is odd that we still know so little about this soldier? Makes me wonder a bit about his religion, race, political belief, etc.

Somehow, if he were Billy Bob So and so, from the deep South, NRA member, devout Christian, Anglo Saxon, male, I’m pretty sure the left stream media would have screamed it.

I’m still waiting for the other shoe to drop on this story.


3 posted on 03/13/2012 7:50:08 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Cocoa2012
Commander in Chief Obama has more than doubled the number of American KIA in Afghanistan since assuming "command", and the situation there today is far worse than in 2007.

Where is the outrage?

4 posted on 03/13/2012 7:50:52 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter
Answer: Coming from Ron Paul in every debate.

(Not that I am a supporter of him, but will he ever get traction off of this hopeless situation and "quagmire" we have once again gotten ourselves in, in a place that if you had a global map with borders but without country labels probably only 5% of Americans could put their index finger on "Afghanistan"--and yet we are to send so many young men and women there to die under Obama, Clinton, Biden and Panetta.

5 posted on 03/13/2012 7:54:41 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (If this tagline box could take FOREIGN SCRIPT fonts, Man oh Man could I have some fun!!)
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To: Cocoa2012; All

Why no ID on the rogue soldier?
Maybe he’s a Muslim- or maybe he’s an ‘African-American’.


6 posted on 03/13/2012 7:57:19 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: skeeter

Normal coverup by the MSM. They only point out the negative with our troops when it is Republican in office.


7 posted on 03/13/2012 7:57:40 AM PDT by Cocoa2012
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To: Cocoa2012
That staff sergeant murdered sixteen Afghans.

Prove it.

8 posted on 03/13/2012 8:01:44 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Cocoa2012; DoughtyOne
Excellent piece. Colonel Peters always makes sense to me.

I've heard that this guy is a sniper, was on his fourth deployment, is thirty-eight years old, had at some point in time set his wife on fire and had a serious and debilitating head injury This are several things here that don't make sense. That he had attacked his wife in such a manner should have set-off some alarm bells, not to even mention the head injury.

In the military world that I come from, it would be highly unusual for a person to be thirty-eight years of age and still a Staff Sergeant. I recall that, in the AF, certain limits were set on rank and years of service. All of these things are variable over time and need of course, but I believe that Staff Sergeants (E-5) were not allowed to remain in service past fourteen years. But maybe he was a damned good sniper.

Little facts continue to creep out on this incident but I believe that we'll never know the entire truth. The whole truth could be embarrassing to the administration and to the military and will likely not be released.

9 posted on 03/13/2012 8:10:31 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: davisfh

After ten years of war, budget cuts and ridiculous ROE maybe the military is that stretched.


10 posted on 03/13/2012 8:16:42 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: davisfh

What I notice about this incudent is that those in charge, president, Sec of State, Sec of Defetse, etc have shot off their mouths before the facts were/all determined. This is one sure sign of poor leadership at its worse. I too have wondered why an ID was not made on the E 5. May God have mercy on this country.


11 posted on 03/13/2012 8:18:51 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (An old sailor sends)
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To: davisfh
Staff Sergeants (E-5) Staff Sergeants are E-6 not E-5.

What I find totally unbelievable about this story is that the village did nothing to stop him. This is a people that will kill their own kids for supposedly dishonoring the family. That believes that suicide bombing is ok. Yet not one tries to stop him in the actual act, sounds more like a set up to me.

12 posted on 03/13/2012 8:23:20 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: davisfh

I believe that there was more than likely a very specific issue that this Staff Sergeant was seeking to address by his actions. Was this family involved in some way in the deaths of this man’s fellow troops?

If the guy was totally broken, I don’t think he would have gone back to base and turned himself in. He seems to have made a calculated decision to remedy some situation, and face the full range of penalties.

I hope that we do find out what was up at some point in time.

I personally think our troops are being undercut by rules of engagement directed by Barack Obama himself, and filtered down on the troops by our Generals. So I am sympathetic to the points made in this article. Perhaps it’s a great article if this guy wishes to remedy the situation. If he’s merely going to demand a pull-out, he’s going to lose me there.

There actually is a reason why we’re there in the region. It’s a good reason. As bad as things look with us there, I’m not convinced they get a lot worse when we’re not there.


13 posted on 03/13/2012 8:30:32 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne; davisfh
Sorry about that. Should have ended...

I’m not convinced they DON'T get a lot worse when we’re not there.

14 posted on 03/13/2012 8:33:26 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: Cocoa2012
I will ask the same question that Churchill asked and, of course, answered himself over 50 years ago, what is our policy in Afghanistan?

Here is Churchill's question and his answer to his policy in waging the second world war:

"You ask, What is our policy? I will say; “It is to wage war, by sea, land and air, with all our might and with all the strength that God can give us: to wage war against a monstrous tyranny, never surpassed in the dark lamentable catalogue of human crime. That is our policy.” You ask, What is our aim? I can answer with one word: Victory…"

Have we learned nothing in more than half a century?

Can anybody articulate a coherent policy out of the Obama administration concerning militant Islam, the so-called Arab spring, Iran getting the bomb, our occupation of and playing at war in Afghanistan, the militant Islamic crescent forming from Afghanistan and extending the Atlantic shores of Morocco?

What is our policy?


15 posted on 03/13/2012 8:46:37 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine
"What I notice about this incudent is that those in charge, president, Sec of State, Sec of Defetse, etc have shot off their mouths before the facts were/all determined. This is one sure sign of poor leadership at its worse. I too have wondered why an ID was not made on the E 5. May God have mercy on this country."

I agree. There is a lot more to this story and we (Citizens) will probably never get the facts.
I was watching Huckabee the other night and he had the Father of a wounded soldier on. His son could not get treatment needed. There are many others in that same boat.
Totally unacceptable. We send our brave men and women off to war, then they should receive anything they need if they are wounded.
I was in the US Army from 1964-1968. The tour of duty was 13 months for Viet Nam. 18 Months for Marines. Our guys now are in combat for several tours. This is not right.
What this soldier did was not right; however we don't have much to go on. We probably will never get all the facts. If he had severe brain damage, then some higher ups if they knew should be held accountable.

16 posted on 03/13/2012 8:52:18 AM PDT by DeaconRed (I am the Only Daddy that will walk the line. . . . . . .)
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To: davisfh

Do you have a link that he’d set his wife on fire at one point?


17 posted on 03/13/2012 8:52:18 AM PDT by rangerwife (Proud wife of a Purple Heart Recipient)
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To: Cocoa2012

There’s a lot we don’t know. Women and children? Maybe, but as far as I know we just have the word of Afghan Muslims on that.

Maybe he was just crazy. Or maybe it has some connection with the American troops who were murdered by the Muslims over that Koran incident—although, typically, those whom they killed had nothing to do with the Koran burnings. There is a time connection on that, although it might just be a coincidence. Or maybe the added pressure was what made him snap.

On another note, there is a story going around that the Obama Communists want to unionize the military—an international union, under the UN and NATO. The obvious way to do it is to behave unfairly to the troops, and increase their anger at their leaders, or bosses. How better to do it than for Obama to apologize to the Muslims when they kill our men, and then threaten to punish the five guys who were just doing the job they were told to do, burning those Korans with the terrorist notes written in them. No matter which side kills the other, Obama always punishes our troops and apologizes to the Muzzies.

Kind of neat. Obama treats the troops worse and worse, with the intention of getting what he wants—gay-infested military, downsized, severely underequipped, and unionized. He plays the part of the unfair boss, but in the end he brings them into the public union/Democrat coalition.


18 posted on 03/13/2012 8:58:54 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: nathanbedford

“Here is Churchill’s question and his answer to his policy in waging the second world war:”

An even more telling fact: before the war even ended, the English people turned Churchill out of office.

That is the event I use to mark the point at which civilized societies began to lose their minds! What we are seeing today is just a continuing of that madness.


19 posted on 03/13/2012 9:12:26 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: I cannot think of a name
And they turned Churchill out for a socialist!

The conventional wisdom is that the English were tired of living on half rations but Clement Attley's socialist policies kept the British, the winners, on half rations until even after the Germans, the losers, had recovered their more market oriented economy from literal ruins.

In fact, socialism drove Britain to the point of anarchy and disintegration only to be saved by Margaret Thatcher two decades later. It seems the remedy for failed socialism always more socialism until there is no more to confiscate.

I guess it is human nature to follow the Pied Piper and to shoot the messenger and that is what they did to Churchill.


20 posted on 03/13/2012 9:24:35 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
What is Obama's policy?

Defeat.

That's clear from the failure to negotiate a status of forces agreement with Iraq and to hand the country to the Iranians and it's clear from his policy of buggering out in Afghanistan as soon as he can arrange a face saving 'unity government' with the Taliban that will stand just long enough for us to withdraw.

Afterwards, the US military will be sufficiently crippled with budget cuts and politically correct asshattery that it cannot act effectively in the nation' s defense.

Then 0bama and his commie pals in the media will proclaim, "Mission Accomplished!"

21 posted on 03/13/2012 10:16:53 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: Ratman83

When I retired from the AF in ‘75, Staff Sergeants were E-5. Probably different for the Army.


22 posted on 03/13/2012 10:29:25 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: Ratman83

When I retired from the AF in ‘75, Staff Sergeants were E-5. Probably different for the Army.


23 posted on 03/13/2012 10:30:26 AM PDT by davisfh
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To: nathanbedford

I’m more aware of an alternative history of how Churchill was viewed by the Brit citizenship and it is not flattering.
Check out Hoover’s new book for more about Churchill, FDR and Stalin during WW2, ‘Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover’s Secret History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath’.


24 posted on 03/13/2012 11:20:12 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: davisfh

Yep E-6, my son is an Sergeant E-5, Army 173rd Airborne.


25 posted on 03/13/2012 11:50:52 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: I cannot think of a name

I read the soldier had a brain injury in 2010.....will be interesting to see if that affected him .

However after all the time he’s served I wouldn’t be surprised if this was a severe PTSD happening. His beavior by going house to house...crouching down as if looking for the enemy etc., which the Aphgans stated he did... would indicate he was “triggered”.

PTSD can and will manifest itself as such...and the individual truly believes he’s in the place his mind has “pictured” and therefore his behavior can follow....

My understanding also is PTSD is on varying levels of impact. Some of which can be controlled...to that which cannot and needs hours of mental work with a professional to get these “triggering” events under control.

Regardless of his mental condition....the fact he turned himself over immediately after the happening tells me that at some point he came out of “his head” and saw the reality of what was around him. Very sad for this soldier and he should not have to face trial for this IMO.


26 posted on 03/13/2012 12:15:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: DoughtyOne
Doughty, I'm convinced the guy was suffering from severe PTSD....the fact the Afghans said he was crouching down as if searching for someone and his behavior would indicate this...what ever he was experiencing in his head, pictures, sounds, smells etc. he was playing out.. but not realizing the reality of his surroundings were not as his mind was dictating.

I can certainly believe at some point in his state he “woke up” and his mind cleared....and understandable would turn himself in. I doubt it was a pleasant scene when he did, and he probably scared, shocked and in a terrible state emotionally as would be expected.

I am certain the medical teams will be taking good care of him now and along the way help him overcome. But he will be scared surely for it all.

Unfortunately the political fallout from this is going to play itself out...and the Afghan people will not have any other understanding of this then that a US Soldier massacred their people. Very sad situation overall....

27 posted on 03/13/2012 12:26:39 PM PDT by caww
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To: caww

It is a sad situation overall. No doubt about it.

Earlier this morning they were playing him as a guy that had a serious brain injury from a previous tour. Actually, the guy only suffered a “mild, I believe it was” concussion from a truck roll-over, not at all as advertised.

He’s supposedly not cooperating now.

This sounds like a very calculated incident to me. He was attacking the same family over three home sights if reports are accurate. How would he know the family stretched over three homes?

We’ll see if the early reports hold up.

If he was experiencing PTSS he could have triggered off a flawed logic process I suppose. I earlier proposed that he might have had a reason related to one of his buddies suffering injuries inflicted by that family.

It would seem there must have been some cause connected to this, even if it was a flawed perception.

I’d sure like to know what his thoughts were.


28 posted on 03/13/2012 12:43:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: davisfh
ranks are different in Army and AF. In AF, E5 is Staff Sergeant, in Army E-5 is just plain Sergeant with Army E-6 being Staff Sergeant.
29 posted on 03/13/2012 2:25:38 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: DoughtyOne
It would seem there must have been some cause connected to this, even if it was a flawed perception.......I’d sure like to know what his thoughts were.

So would I.....which I'm certain the military medical staff has more than an inkling ,but at this point all we can really do is speculate based on the information coming out, and there's just no way to confirm that....especially since it's doubtful we'll hear the real story with the political issues playing out and so high currently.

It''s been said he's been moved out of Aphganistan but even thaat might be questionable if Karsi has anything to say about it. Seems to me he's calling the shots as we see Obama is ranting once again about it.....disgusting Obam could not have demanded the same thing, and with the tone and determination he's showing, when our guys got hit at Fort Hood. He's such a despicable person!

30 posted on 03/13/2012 3:20:17 PM PDT by caww
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To: Cocoa2012
I'll bet he was prescribed SSRIs for PTSD !!!

31 posted on 03/13/2012 7:12:05 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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