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Rush Limbaugh Doubles Down On The Dumb About Solar
Solar Power World ^ | Sunday, March 11, 2012 
 | Frank Andorka

Posted on 03/13/2012 10:15:47 AM PDT by null and void

Wow. Just wow. Just when you thought Rush Limbaugh couldn’t possibly be any stupider (as most of you know, his vile, disgusting and misogynistic comments on Sandra Fluke have worked out so well for him),  he decided to double down on the dumb.

On his March 5 program, Limbaugh said the following about the wind and solar energy markets (emphasis added):

The problem with the Chevy Volt [the reason Limbaugh started his alternative energy rant in the first place] is just like all of Obama’s green energy, there’s no business there yet. There’s no solar energy business yet. There’s no wind energy yet. It’s not there yet. But we can’t have more oil. We can’t have cheaper gasoline prices.

Don’t believe me? Here’s the actual clip of the remarks for your listening pleasure (it’s only 16 seconds, but you’ll be gobsmacked at the amount of stupid packed into such a short time):

Now those of us who have listened to Rush practically at the beginning know that he has made his living being mendacious, angry and crude, but the fictional Snerdley should have warned him how ridiculous the above statement was.

Let’s start with our personal passion, the solar energy industry.

1. There’s no solar energy business yet.

Really, Rush? Really? Did Snerdley not alert you to this study by the Solar Energy Industries Association (SEIA) and Greentech Media? Or this announcement by Rhone Resch? Or this report from The Solar Foundation, which reports that there were more than 100,000 jobs in the American solar industry as of August 2011? Is that enough evidence for you that not only does the solar industry exist, but that it’s one of the few bright spots in an otherwise painfully slow recovery?

How about these facts from our friends at SEIA:

• The U.S. solar market grew to a $6 billion industry in 2010, up 67% from $3.6 billion in 2009.
• Solar electric capacity installations reached 956 MW in 2010, more than double the installations from 2009.
• At year end 2010, the U.S. had 2,593 megawatts (MW) of installed solar electric capacity. This included about 2,086 MW of photovoltaics (PV) and 507 MW of utility-scale concentrating solar power.
• Solar water heating capacity grew 5% in 2010, as 2.4 million square feet of solar water heating capacity was installed at homes and businesses throughout the country.
I don’t know about you, but that sure as heck sounds like an industry (and a thriving one at that) to me.

Rush, you should have done some homework so you didn’t sound like quite such an idiot.

2. There’s no wind energy yet.

My colleagues over at Windpower Engineering and Development could probably speak to this more effectively than I can, but here are some of the stats on Limbaugh’s “non-industry,” courtesy of the American Wind Energy Association (AWEA):

• The fourth quarter of 2011 saw 3,444 MW of wind power capacity installed, bringing total installations in 2011 to 6,810 MW.
• The U.S. wind industry now totals 46,919 MW of cumulative wind capacity through the end of 2011. • There are over 8,300 MW currently under construction involving over 100 separate projects spanning 31 states plus Puerto Rico.
• The U.S. wind industry has added over 35% of all new generating capacity over the past 4 years, second only to natural gas, and more than nuclear and coal combined.
• Today, U.S. wind power capacity represents more than 20% of the world’s installed wind power.
• The U.S. wind industry represents not only a large market for wind power capacity installations, but also a growing market for American manufacturing.
• More than 400 manufacturing facilities across the United States. make components for wind turbines, and dedicated wind facilities that manufacture major components such as towers, blades and assembled nacelles can be found in every region.

Add to that the nearly 75,000 jobs currently in the wind industry, and you can see that Rush yet again proves to the world that he won’t let facts get in the way of a good lie.

3. But we can’t have more oil. We can’t have cheaper gasoline prices.

This is a common complaint amongst conservatives: If we just opened up the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, the U.S. coastline (which Obama has, in fact, done) or processed shale oil, we could rid ourselves of the scourge of being dependent of foreign nations for our energy supplies.

This, of course, is a straw man and ignores the central fact of oil production (and, by extension, gas prices). When the United States or any other country extracts oil and puts in on the market, it doesn’t stay in the country of origin. So no matter how much oil the United States produces (unless we happened to be sitting on oil reserves like Saudi Arabia or Venezuela — the evidence suggests we are not), it wouldn’t lower the price of gas one bit.

Our oil would be swept up into the international oil market, where the prices are still controlled (in large part) by OPEC and speculators on the commodities markets. Extracting more oil wouldn’t bring down gas prices, no matter how much Limbaugh and his friends want it to — and there would be significant environmental dangers instead (as we found out to our own detriment two years ago).

So what have we learned from this, apart from the fact that Senator Al Franken may have been right? We’ve learned that we need to be ever-vigilant as the solar industry, and when people lie about us, we need to fight back — and fight back hard.

I would request that all of you take a minute of your time to email Rush (his email address is the ever-so-modest ElRushbo@EIBnet.com) or post a comment on his Facebook page, letting him know (rationally and politely, please) that the solar industry not only exists, but is alive and well in this country — and we won’t take his lies lying down.


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: envirofascism; fraud; greenfraud; solyndra; thegreenlie
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No bias here, no sirie...
1 posted on 03/13/2012 10:15:51 AM PDT by null and void
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


2 posted on 03/13/2012 10:18:00 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: null and void

Frank Andorka is a slut and prostitute anyway, who cares.


3 posted on 03/13/2012 10:18:58 AM PDT by GulfBreeze (Still a Santorum guy !)
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To: null and void

The U.S. solar market grew to a $6 billion industry in 2010, up 67% from $3.6 billion in 2009.

and subtracting billions in government subsidies we have....?


4 posted on 03/13/2012 10:19:00 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: null and void

Okay, how about the author of this piece of crap show us how it’s done. No oil for you. You live without it. (More for me, and I will be much less inconvenienced and more comfortable than you).


5 posted on 03/13/2012 10:19:37 AM PDT by plaidness
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To: null and void
So what have we learned from this, apart from the fact that Senator Al Franken may have been right?

Yeah, tons of credibility here.
6 posted on 03/13/2012 10:19:52 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: null and void
(as most of you know, his vile, disgusting and misogynistic comments on Sandra Fluke have worked out so well for him)

This is why do you should never apologize to a Liberal. It's like blood in the water. They only feel encouraged to attack you more.

7 posted on 03/13/2012 10:19:52 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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To: null and void
All energy is subsidized by the tax payer, but solar, as it is today is good at charging batteries.
9 posted on 03/13/2012 10:21:36 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: null and void

Big deal. I’d bet virtually all the growth in the solar industry was due to government(taxpayer) subsidies.


10 posted on 03/13/2012 10:22:51 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: org.whodat

I have a solar array on my roof. It’s also good at reducing my PG&E bill. A bit.


11 posted on 03/13/2012 10:23:04 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1148 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: null and void

Funny how the article never mentions Solyndra, Ener1, Beacan Power, Evergreen Solar, SpectraWatt, Fiskars.

Of the 12 “green” companies that have been bankrolled by Obama, six have filed for bankruptcy: Solyndra, Beacon Power, Evergreen Solar, SpectraWatt, AEA and Ener1.

And no mention of the failed Chevy Volt.

I’m sure this is all just a mere oversight of the author, right?


12 posted on 03/13/2012 10:23:10 AM PDT by Obadiah (We are all Brietbarts now.)
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To: null and void
Can either of these industries stand on their own without government financial and regulatory assistance?

If not, these are not industries, they are jobs programs and money laundering operations for big money political donors.

13 posted on 03/13/2012 10:23:16 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: null and void

Someone forgot the barf alert.


14 posted on 03/13/2012 10:23:50 AM PDT by Jean2
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To: null and void

Writer must be upset that his own investments in Solar have or are in the process of going “bye, bye”. And use of the word “stupider” in a published article is the written equivalent of hitting a tire with a baseball bat and having it bounce back into one’s forehead. That the word “dork” is part of this fellow’s family name is just more evidence that G*d has a truly refined sense of humor.


15 posted on 03/13/2012 10:23:59 AM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: null and void

There was more stupid in that one article that I have seen in a long time. The article is excellent proof of the stupidity of the liberal and the type of ridiculous conclusions they make. No facts, just emotion.


16 posted on 03/13/2012 10:24:42 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: null and void
Wind Farms: even worse than we thought
17 posted on 03/13/2012 10:26:04 AM PDT by MissMagnolia (Being powerful is like being a lady. If you have to tell people you are, you aren't. (M.Thatcher))
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To: null and void

I have a question for this author. If alternative energies are so wonderfully successful; then, how come they are going belly up all over the place?


18 posted on 03/13/2012 10:26:05 AM PDT by Jean2
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To: null and void
Extracting more oil wouldn’t bring down gas prices, no matter how much Limbaugh and his friends want it to

This man displays a stunning ignorance of the simplest principle in economics - the law of supply and demand.

Of course, he wouldn't know anything about that, since he operates in an imaginary industry where those things are rendered obsolete by a steady influx of money stolen from the taxpayers.

19 posted on 03/13/2012 10:26:25 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: GulfBreeze

Looks like he takes in the rear, anyway. Why doesn’t he just call up Rush and air his case?;)


20 posted on 03/13/2012 10:26:54 AM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Huskrrrr

“and subtracting billions in government subsidies we have....?”

Nothing. Even those “buying” solar get about half back in tax rebates.


21 posted on 03/13/2012 10:27:12 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: null and void

Yes, and you got the tax credit, good deal.


22 posted on 03/13/2012 10:27:32 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: dead

I notice he talks about wind capacity as built but
makes no mention of how much is actually produced.


23 posted on 03/13/2012 10:27:36 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Jean2
Not enough subsidies.................
24 posted on 03/13/2012 10:27:40 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: null and void
DEAD HORSE AWARD, DEAD HORSE AWARD
25 posted on 03/13/2012 10:28:42 AM PDT by FrankR
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To: dead

Dead on!


26 posted on 03/13/2012 10:28:59 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: tet68
...makes no mention of how much is actually produced.

Bingo. Nary a mention of average production.
27 posted on 03/13/2012 10:29:37 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: null and void

I threw a few fun posts up under the name “BurnMyOwnGarbage”. Looks like I’m not alone, though...


28 posted on 03/13/2012 10:32:22 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: null and void

Dayum! That there’s the sound of an ox being gored squarely in the gut.


29 posted on 03/13/2012 10:32:38 AM PDT by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: null and void

Frank Andorka, Solar Power World.

Evidently he’s from another planet.


30 posted on 03/13/2012 10:33:59 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: null and void

Boy this moron has been out in the sun too long.

I would love to have an on air interview with this clown and just run the simple numbers of Watts per Sq foot, $/Watt BOTH on an AVERAGE day not bright noon time sunlight.

Then ask this ignorant stooge if he could produce a solar cell @100% efficiency (instead of the low double digit efficiency of today’s cells) could he produce electricity AND store it overnight and on an average number of cloudy days at anywhere near the levels required to make Solar a viable alternative for the AVERAGE homeowner.

Even at 100% efficiency, the storage issues eat up any possible ROI. In reality with current efficiency realistic 2 watts of electricity for every square foot of actual PV cells are about the best we can obtain and that is not enough to perform any real work.

I find all of these energy nuts to be woefully ignorant on the magnitude of our energy requirements. They rely on government officials, and the mouth droolers watching the alphabet networks also being ignorant.


31 posted on 03/13/2012 10:35:21 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: null and void

Solar is about collecting energy, Oil is about compressing that energy in to a reduced time expansion in order to exponentialy scale up the power output.

These solar power people compare apple and oranges when they speak of solar vs. oil. Oil is much better at developping power, solar at collecting energy. They are two different things.

This whole debate is so stupid, but this is what you get when you let liberals in charge of the science they like to debauche in, and then act in knee jerk reaction over the “over consumption” that they themselves indulge in like lusty idiots.


32 posted on 03/13/2012 10:35:32 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: null and void
I have a solar array on my roof. It’s also good at reducing my PG&E bill. A bit.

Have you run the ROI on that? It's been a while since I did one of these analysis with a customer. But, if I remember correctly, I'm 0 - 5 trying to sell "green" energy sources for private commercial companies.

Why? Because the ROI (Return on Investment) is always longer than the expected manufacturer's stated useful life. In other words...the monthly savings that your realize will finally pay for the initial investment for the technology 5 to 15 years after the technology quits working. It will never pay for itself.

Money matters in the real world.

33 posted on 03/13/2012 10:37:24 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: null and void

Without subsidies all of these businesses fold overnight as opposed to oil which is at war with the gummit.

Pray for America


34 posted on 03/13/2012 10:37:59 AM PDT by bray (Power to We the People)
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To: Huskrrrr
The U.S. solar market grew to a $6 billion industry in 2010, up 67% from $3.6 billion in 2009.

and subtracting billions in government subsidies we have....?

You beat me to it. GWB has some responsibility in getting these subsidies going. But like you say above, it is costing us $7 billion per year to keep a $6 billion a year industry afloat.

Economic brilliance at work here.

35 posted on 03/13/2012 10:39:42 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: null and void

The growth in the solar industry is from federal funding, and that funding is going down a rat hole.


36 posted on 03/13/2012 10:40:04 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Jean2
Someone forgot the barf alert.

Nahhh, with that title I figured it didn't need one!

37 posted on 03/13/2012 10:40:58 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1148 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Wurlitzer

It’s an oil redistribution scheme. Oil is already energy paid for, and, so, now lawyers like Edwards or Obama want to extort favors in exchange for it, and, that, in the end, means abuse and distrust and drugs and no machinery. Just a one time kill for your wallet for the rest of your life type scam.


38 posted on 03/13/2012 10:41:10 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: null and void
Best use of solar power:


39 posted on 03/13/2012 10:43:16 AM PDT by ILS21R (Never give up.)
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To: Tenacious 1
Economic brilliance at work here.

Indeed, these people do not seem to tie economy with ecology, because if something pollutes, it sure is economic moronics of the government "solar tax payer collectors", so to speak.

40 posted on 03/13/2012 10:43:44 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: null and void

Fortunately, a non-biased source shows where our energy comes from:
https://www.llnl.gov/news/newsreleases/2010/images/energy-flow-annotated.pdf

Of the 98 quadrillion BTUs (”quads”) of energy produced in 2010, solar made up all of 0.1%, up 0% from 2009 and up 22% from 2008. So when you contribute negligible amounts of power, who cares that it is up 22% in 2 years!

Wind power produced a whopping 0.94% in 2010, up from 0.74% in 2009 and up from 0.51% in 2008. So wind generation has gone up 83% in 2 years. However, it still generates less than 1% of all our power, again, a negligible amount.

Exit question - what has been the cost to taxpayers to increase the amount of wind and solar power generation? What is the cost per BTU generated?


41 posted on 03/13/2012 10:44:12 AM PDT by PhxRising
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To: Tenacious 1

Yes. My array is fully paid off in terms of reduced energy bills. It is still functioning. Not much bang for the buck, and there would have been better investments, but it’s pure (minuscule) profit from here on.


42 posted on 03/13/2012 10:44:29 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1148 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Huskrrrr
Exactly. If it weren't for circular reasoning, democrats would have nothing.
43 posted on 03/13/2012 10:44:38 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (Barack has a memory like a steel trap; it's a gift ~ Michelle Obama)
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Copyrighted cartoon, I guess.

It was funny and spot on, though...


44 posted on 03/13/2012 10:46:47 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1148 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: null and void
This guy was too "stupider" to turn off the comments section on his blog. He's getting hammered unmercifully.

If only the internet was run on solar power... then the comments would stop.

45 posted on 03/13/2012 10:48:04 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: null and void

This article:

this report from The Solar Foundation, which reports that there were more than 100,000 jobs in the American solar industry as of August 2011?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This from google:

The oil and natural gas industry supports more than 9.2 million U.S. jobs.

>>>>>>>>
Yea .....Rush is an idiot (sarc)


46 posted on 03/13/2012 10:48:13 AM PDT by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: pollywog

Copyrighted cartoon at #8, I guess.

It was funny and spot on, though...


47 posted on 03/13/2012 10:49:25 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1148 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: null and void

Get the straight jacket. Oh, I also believe that there are over 10,000 windmills that have been abandoned. Solar only works in limited ways, ie there are sizable constraints.


48 posted on 03/13/2012 10:49:26 AM PDT by DarkWaters ("Deception is a state of mind --- and the mind of the state" --- James Jesus Angleton)
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To: null and void

it is not self sustaining.

Solar is just a taxpayer leech.

if they want to be viable then they need to BE VIABLE.


49 posted on 03/13/2012 10:50:18 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: DarkWaters

VERY sizable constraints. Still one can buy a LOT of solar for the cost of stringing a mile of power lines...


50 posted on 03/13/2012 10:51:27 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1148 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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