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US considers Afghan trial site for accused shooter
Associated Press ^ | March 14, 2012

Posted on 03/13/2012 10:50:31 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) -- A U.S. military spokesman says that no decision has been made yet about whether to hold the trial of the man accused of killing 16 Afghan civilians in Afghanistan.

Col. Gary Kolb said Wednesday that "no final decision has been made yet" about where the staff sergeant will be tried.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; deathpenalty; karzai; obama; rop

1 posted on 03/13/2012 10:50:35 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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To: Free ThinkerNY

There is talk that they might face the death penalty and that last execution was in 1961.


2 posted on 03/13/2012 10:56:06 PM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238

The death penalty certainly is on the table for this offense, if he is found guilty. I don’t have a problem with that, but I -do- have a problem with holding the trial in Afghanistan. The trial should be back here in the US.


3 posted on 03/13/2012 11:03:47 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius

I agree. The trial should be held in the United States.


4 posted on 03/13/2012 11:07:57 PM PDT by U-238
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To: Free ThinkerNY

From what I’ve read, this soldier may have been mentally deficient (or battle damaged). I can’t imagine that a trial in Afghanistan would allow for his mental problems. If this becomes a show trial for the Afghanistan’s, then that will be the final straw for me.


5 posted on 03/13/2012 11:09:44 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: U-238

That’s pretty rich from an administration that opposes the death penalty, but if they have the trial there you can bet the guy will be dead sometime during the trial and maybe everyone in the courtroom as well. The Amish will bring in a bomb or there will be a whole lot of shooting. Knowing the Obama administration they may even toss him to the local civilan courts.


6 posted on 03/13/2012 11:10:18 PM PDT by airedale
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So the political dicks are going to turn this into a spectacle?


7 posted on 03/13/2012 11:12:51 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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The last execution was held on April 13, 1961 when U.S. Army Private John A. Bennett was hanged after being convicted of rape and attempted murder. There has been 135 people that has been executed since 1916.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/us-military-death-penalty


8 posted on 03/13/2012 11:17:51 PM PDT by U-238
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To: Gene Eric

“So the political dicks are going to turn this into a spectacle?’

Made to order. Unlike the Moslem prick at a Fort Hood, this guy is already being measured for a box. I can’t say what I really think, for a number of reasons. But . . .

Sow the wind.


9 posted on 03/13/2012 11:22:45 PM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I think we ought to listen to Alinsky." - Governor G. Romney, father of Bishop Willard M. Romney.)
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To: U-238

In 1984, the death penalty was reinstated when President Ronald Reagan signed an executive order adopting detailed rules for capital courts-martial. Among the rules was a list of 11 aggravating factors that qualify defendants for death sentences


10 posted on 03/13/2012 11:23:59 PM PDT by U-238
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Does it matter that had these 16 people died as the result of an Al Qaeda suicide bomber, this story would have lasted 1/2 day in this media?

If this guy is tried in an Afghan court, the only decision will be the method of his execution!


11 posted on 03/13/2012 11:33:06 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: Deagle

I’m willing to entertain the idea that he has some kind of mental defect, especially due to his previous brain injury, and this additional stress of something wrong on the home front. Those things may go a long way toward explaining what happened, but they still don’t excuse what happened.

If he really did what he is accused of doing, he’s just got to stand before that long green table.


12 posted on 03/14/2012 12:11:07 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius

I have a problem with that. The man was on his 4th deployment, had a brain injury and had problems at home. The army had no business sending him into a war zone.

Cindie


13 posted on 03/14/2012 12:12:06 AM PDT by gardencatz (I'm lucky enough to live, walk & breathe among heroes! I am the mother of a US Marine!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Has there been any talk of an insanity plea? Was he “sane” when he did this or did he crack up and then do it?


14 posted on 03/14/2012 12:23:26 AM PDT by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: gardencatz

When the insanity plea is used, the defendant is not denying that he/she committed the criminal offense in question. In actuality, he/she is admitting that he/she was responsible for the crime.Insanity defenses are rarely successful.


15 posted on 03/14/2012 12:49:29 AM PDT by U-238
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To: gardencatz

In federal court, and in Arizona, the burden is placed on the defendant, who must prove insanity by clear and convincing evidence


16 posted on 03/14/2012 12:51:14 AM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238

According to an eight-state study, the insanity defense is used in less than 1% of all court cases and, when used, has only a 26% success rate.


17 posted on 03/14/2012 12:52:56 AM PDT by U-238
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To: gardencatz

Madigan memo on PTSD costs sparked Army review

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2017443047_madiganfolo07m.html?syndication=rss

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/02/22/2037583/army-will-contact-all-who-had.html?storylink=rss_xml


18 posted on 03/14/2012 4:47:44 AM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: Gene Eric

“So the political dicks are going to turn this into a spectacle?”

Not until we find out his name! n/s


19 posted on 03/14/2012 4:53:06 AM PDT by cameraeye (A happy kaffir!)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

Why we haven’t seen the murderers of those soldiers killed after the koran burnings? Were they arrested? Are we demanding that they be tried in US courts? Have we gotten apologies from Karzai?

Why haven’t these questions been asked?


20 posted on 03/14/2012 4:53:39 AM PDT by Bob Buchholz
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To: Bob Buchholz
The Afgans and muslims killed obama's enemies. The soldier is alleged to have killed obama's friends and alies. Big difference.

And the sickening part [to me anyway] of it is that there are sorry bastards who call themselves Americans who will vote for the sob again.

21 posted on 03/14/2012 4:59:06 AM PDT by sport
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I wouldn’t want to be in this guy’s shoes.

He is already tried and convicted in the Obama administration, and they are just deciding now how they are going to toss him to the dogs.

The surprising thing to me is that it hasn’t happened before.We really need to leave that rat hole.


22 posted on 03/14/2012 5:05:50 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Free ThinkerNY

If they have a trial, will we learn his name?


23 posted on 03/14/2012 5:18:28 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I wonder how he was allowed to walk off the base in the middle of the nite alone?


24 posted on 03/14/2012 5:30:39 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I wonder how he was allowed to walk off the base in the middle of the nite alone?


25 posted on 03/14/2012 5:32:53 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Why is this soldiers name being withheld? I’m suspicious of the governments motivation.


26 posted on 03/14/2012 5:47:10 AM PDT by 6SJ7 (Meh.)
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To: 6SJ7

Withheld so t er ror is ts ensconced in the US will not reve nge slaug h ter his family.


27 posted on 03/14/2012 6:15:43 AM PDT by Surrounded_too
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To: Dr. Ursus
I wonder how he was allowed to walk off the base in the middle of the nite alone? Yes you would think that this would not be easy to do.

Just another thing to think about in relation to this whole situation.

What I find totally unbelievable about this story is that the village did nothing to stop him. This is a people that will kill their own kids for supposedly dishonoring the family. That believes that suicide bombing is ok. Yet not one tries to stop him in the actual act, sounds more like a set up to me.

How is he able to just waltz back to base.

28 posted on 03/14/2012 6:20:28 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Ratman83

They said yesterday that they have video of him leaving the
base alone and returning alone.


29 posted on 03/14/2012 6:24:40 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Dr. Ursus
They said yesterday that they have video of him leaving the base alone and returning alone.

Right next to Osama Bin Laden's death photos.

30 posted on 03/14/2012 6:26:28 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Psalm 144
Made to order. Unlike the Moslem prick at a Fort Hood, this guy is already being measured for a box.

"Shoot straight you bastards, don't make a mess of it."

31 posted on 03/14/2012 6:27:40 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Free ThinkerNY

mark my words...Barry is planning to turn him over either to the Afghans or some sort of international tribunal.


32 posted on 03/14/2012 6:33:27 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Dr. Ursus

Ok they have a vidoe of hem leaveing and returning. But how can you believe the afghans did nothing. Sorry but it just does not add up for me.


33 posted on 03/14/2012 6:44:17 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Free ThinkerNY

I would bet this guy will be tried and executed long before the Ft. Hood shooter, Maj. Hassan, will be executed, provided Obama doesn’t give him a commutation or pardon.


34 posted on 03/14/2012 7:50:34 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: gardencatz

If he is found not guilty by reason of mental or medical defect, then so be it. But otherwise, none of that excuses the plain old murder of nine innocent children.

This is going to be a capital case. That’s just the way it is.


35 posted on 03/14/2012 9:29:46 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: Ramius
it seems to be the base in general has serious issues, none of them all that recent
36 posted on 03/14/2012 1:21:57 PM PDT by MarMema (freedom for Amir)
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To: Ramius

I have little doubt that he did what he is accused of. My only problem is that he was put back into service with his brain injuries. I have no problem with the military doing their jobs but hope that he is also afforded an appropriate defense due to his prior injuries. Just don’t want any railroading for political reasons.


37 posted on 03/15/2012 4:59:08 PM PDT by Deagle
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To: Deagle

I understand that. And sure... If there’s an organic medical issue that caused this thing, of course that needs to be taken in and incorporated in the handling of this. But I’m guessing not. His “brain injury” was from a traffic accident with a humvee in Iraq. I don’t have the records but it is probably a fair bet that it was a concussion. If that’s true (and I may be all wrong) then his excuses are growing pretty thin.


38 posted on 03/15/2012 8:37:11 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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