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New figures: More of US at risk to sea level rise
CBS News ^ | March14, 2012

Posted on 03/14/2012 6:54:54 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

WASHINGTON — Global warming-fueled sea level rise over the next century could flood 3.7 million people in 544 U.S. cities temporarily, according to a new method of looking at risking of rising seas published in two scientific papers.

The cities that have the most people living within three feet (one meter) of high tide — the projected sea level rise by the year 2100 made by many scientists and computer models — are in Florida, Louisiana, and New York. New York City, often not thought of as a city prone to flooding, has 141,000 people at risk, which is second only to New Orleans' 284,000. The two big Southeast Florida counties, Miami-Dade and Broward, have 312,000 people at risk combined.

"Southeast Florida is definitely the highest density of population that's really on low coastal land that's really most at risk," said lead author Ben Strauss, a scientist at Climate Central. Climate Central is a New Jersey-based group of scientists and journalists who do research about climate change.

The studies look at people who live in homes within three feet of high tide, whereas old studies looked just at elevation above sea level, according to work published Thursday in the peer-reviewed journal Environmental Research and an accompanying report by Climate Central. That's an important distinction because using high tide is more accurate for flooding impacts, said study co-author Jonathan Overpeck, a scientist at the University of Arizona's Institute of the Environment. And when the new way of looking at risk is factored in, the outlook looks worse, Overpeck said.

"It's shocking to see how large the impacts could be, particularly in southern Florida and Louisiana, but much of the coastal U.S. will share in the serious pain," Overpeck said.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: climategate; failure; globalwarming; hoax; socialism
... Climate Central is a New Jersey-based group of scientists and journalists who do research about climate change...

Well then. We have scientists and journalists collaborating on this fraud. All that's missing are teachers and liberal politicians.

1 posted on 03/14/2012 6:55:00 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Boy, these clowns just don't give up, do they?
2 posted on 03/14/2012 6:58:01 AM PDT by haywoodwebb (Keep your focus on the TRUTH and we will prevail . . . One Day at a Time, Mates!)
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To: haywoodwebb

“It’s always something.”


3 posted on 03/14/2012 6:58:31 AM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This is why we need to reelect Obama.

/S

4 posted on 03/14/2012 7:00:30 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Sea level still not cooperating with predictions

"Sea level is lower than eight years ago, and according to the graph above just passed the lowest annual peak in the Envisat record."
5 posted on 03/14/2012 7:00:47 AM PDT by Ragnar54 (Obama replaced Osama as America's worst enemy)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Gee did Al Gore consider rising sea levels when he bought his $9 million seaside mansion in California? If he truly believed this rising sea level malarkey wouldn't you think he would have bought a mansion on higher ground?
6 posted on 03/14/2012 7:04:11 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: Ragnar54
the projected sea level rise by the year 2100 made by many scientists and computer models

When you write the program to prove your preconceived notion its no wonder they get these results. More struggle for their 15 minutes of shame (and another Federal Grant).

7 posted on 03/14/2012 7:05:56 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

CBS News is a contradiction in terms. All the Communist Bolshevik System brings us is the regime’s daily propaganda.


8 posted on 03/14/2012 7:07:19 AM PDT by RoadTest (There is one god, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

WTF, starting up this old radical hype again. According to them 1/3 of the U.S. should be under water already.

but it’s not really about water. It’s about Muslim tax.


9 posted on 03/14/2012 7:09:14 AM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Globull warming to create man-made asteroid strike in next 20 years!!!
10 posted on 03/14/2012 7:09:38 AM PDT by Obadiah (We are all Brietbarts now.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I thought the East Anglica emails showed this scam to be a scam...

I guess the prospect of transferring Trillion$ to an ‘environmental group is just too much to walk back from, in spite of the absurdity...

Research Maurice Strong to get an idea of the type of people behind this. M Strong makes Gore look like a conservative...


11 posted on 03/14/2012 7:09:44 AM PDT by Former MSM Viewer
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To: haywoodwebb


Qattara Depression

If Greenland melted down completely, 88% of the excess water produced could be contained by flooding the uninhabited Qattara Depression in northwest Egypt, producing hundreds of miles of valuable lakefront property, generating electrical power as water flowed from the Medditerranean to the depression and potentially turning much of the surrounding Sahara Desert into arable land.

It took Greenland 18,000 years to accumulate as much ice as it has now. How long do you think it will take it to melt?

12 posted on 03/14/2012 7:09:45 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’m more concerned about Sea Level Lowering. Just because I’m a denier, it does NOT mean I should have my Beach Rights STOLEN from me. As it is, it now takes me ONE WHOLE HOUR to get to the Atlantic Ocean. If Glowbull Warming is bunk, this could mean that instead of sea levels rising, they are more likely to be LOWERING! I should NOT be forced to drive 2 hours or more away to get my Constitutionally Guaranteed Beach Access, when I’ve had 1 hour access all along.


13 posted on 03/14/2012 7:11:42 AM PDT by C210N
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Disinformation":

"Disinformation (a direct translation of Russian дезинформация dezinformatsiya) is intentionally false or inaccurate information that is spread deliberately. "

Russian дезинформация

Global Warming? Soviet Propaganda? Hard to distinguish the difference.


14 posted on 03/14/2012 7:20:39 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: Ragnar54
Obama promised he would make the sea level recede, and now he has proof..... or not.
15 posted on 03/14/2012 7:21:53 AM PDT by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

So NYC has 141,000 people “at risk” in 90 years. Wow, what a major undertaking to get out of the way of the “rising seas.” I sure hope the government trains those 141,000 people so they know the warning signs and are prepared to get out of the way of the water surge.

Actually, NYC won’t have anything to worry about because Dem policies will continue to kill the state and people will continue to flea. They’ll lose FAR more than 141,000 due to public policy idiocy.


16 posted on 03/14/2012 7:23:51 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Haven't they heard?
The ascension of King Obama slowed the rise in the sea levels.
We are safe as long as we worship the Kenyan King.

"This was the moment when the
rise of the oceans began to slow
and our planet began to heal."


17 posted on 03/14/2012 7:24:22 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

We could just dig a deep hole and let the 2 million degree interior of the earth vaporize the excess sea water.


18 posted on 03/14/2012 7:30:47 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Is anyone else tired of these scare stories in the news? I am sick of a bunch of so called ‘scientists’ blathering on about catastrophic events. I think they all watch too many movies!
19 posted on 03/14/2012 7:43:07 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I thought the ‘one’ was going to fix this?


20 posted on 03/14/2012 7:43:13 AM PDT by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

“...by the year 2100...”

People can’t tell if they’re gonna cough, sneeze, or fart in the next 5 minutes. A lot is gonna happen between now and 2100. Get your doomsday predictions in now while the patsies are fresh and the marks still have money.


21 posted on 03/14/2012 7:47:31 AM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: dead

LOL, I’d forgotten the million-degree wisdom of Al Gore.


22 posted on 03/14/2012 7:49:20 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
which is second only to New Orleans' 284,000.

Question here! How many of those 284,000 are currently at risk by building below current sea and river levels. It's cheating to count those currently begging to be drowned again in an article about increased risk.

23 posted on 03/14/2012 7:55:23 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Even worse - by the end of the century, virtually one hundred percent of those living by the sea will be dead.

Fact.

But... uh... not from drowning.


24 posted on 03/14/2012 7:57:26 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

As long as the kids can hold onto that land in Arizona for a few hundred generations, they might have some valuable oceanview property.


25 posted on 03/14/2012 8:44:14 AM PDT by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Just in time spring rains, flooding and grant money for "scientists".

All three are an annual event.

26 posted on 03/14/2012 8:46:38 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

This should be posted in Horoscopes, or Society.


27 posted on 03/14/2012 8:46:56 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Vigilanteman
That's almost completely wrong. As was explained here: /focus/f-news/1965030/posts?page=55#55 the Qattara depression is about 1365 cubic kilometers. The volume of ice in Greenland is 2.8 million cubic kilometers. We would need 2000 Qattara depressions to soak up the excess water.
28 posted on 03/14/2012 10:26:55 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: palmer
At one time, yes. Over time, no. Your link simply converts all ice melt to water instantly and tries to fit it into the Qattara Depression. That's something civil engineers do when calculating diversion of water flow behind a structure such as a dam.

It works well in those cases. But actual ice melt happens over time. Given enough time and diversion to a warm climate such as northwest Egypt, the impact of that water diversion is reduced by a factor of more than a hundredfold.

The water, of course, does not disappear. It evaporates, it is stored in the clouds as water vapor, it soaks into the ground or it is stored in other forms. Throw in water consumed by cropland, forests or other uses, then you begin to see how the model indicated is not only logical, but likely.

Of course, it depends on which climate modeling data you use. If you use the catastrophic chicken little models of the global warming fanatics, we're probably already too late. If you use the more realistic data on global warming trends over time, then you don't even need a full Qattara Depression to accommodate current modest warming trends.

Only one thing is for certain: If some international consortium of companies announced that they were going to begin construction of a Mediterranean Sea diversion pipeline to fill in the Qattara Depression to assist Egypt in agricultural and hydroelectric development and, at the same time, prepare for global warming, you would get a huge outcry in opposition from the same global warming fanatic crowd predicting catastrophic consequences from the sudden lowering of the earth's ocean levels, the destruction of the habitat of some sub species of sand flea found only in that area of the world or whatever other claptrap they could conjure up to obstruct the project.

But wouldn't it be fun to try?

30 posted on 03/14/2012 10:59:04 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Ragnar54

Between the pelting of the Earth with Ice from space and the escape of moisture from out atmosphere, the AMOUNT of water on the Earth hasn’t changed much in billions of years.

What DOES change is the ground. It moves, constantly. The change in sea levels , for instance, in New Orleans is not due to a rise in sea level, but a lowering of the ground.

There are new islands popping up out of the ocean while at the same time there are islands which disappear beneath the waves.

If it was due to sea level change, both things could not occur at the same time. Yet they do.


31 posted on 03/14/2012 11:20:01 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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What is the definition of global mean sea level (GMSL) and its rate?

"The term "sea level" has many meanings depending upon the context. In satellite altimetry, the measurements are made in a geocentric reference frame (relative to the center of the Earth). Tide gauges, on the other hand, measure sea level relative to the local land surface (see the tide gauge discussion and FAQ). The satellite altimeter estimate of interest is the distance between the sea surface illuminated by the radar altimeter and the center of the Earth (geocentric sea surface height or SSH). "
32 posted on 03/14/2012 11:48:45 AM PDT by Ragnar54 (Obama replaced Osama as America's worst enemy)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The only structure a sensible person builds within 3 feet of high tide is a sandcastle. Beyond that, they will get no sympathy from me . . . a hundred years from now . . . if the leftists guessed right on sea level.

33 posted on 03/14/2012 11:54:19 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Vigilanteman
Expanding the size of the Mediterranean Sea (2.5 million square km) by the area of the Qattara depression (20,000 square km) will increase evaporation in that area by 1% and most of that will fall elsewhere as rain and run into the ocean.

All your other suggestions are fine, we can use more energy, more arable land, more cooling evaporation (in case global warming is real), etc. The only problem is suggesting that this flooding will have any impact on sea levels WRT Greenland's ice. I prefer to point to the fact that the melt from Greenland is trivial and there's no reason to believe it will rise unless one is to believe certain climate models which are not driven by physics and cannot be verified.

34 posted on 03/14/2012 1:10:56 PM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: Pecos

Amazingly the sea level DOES seem to be dropping but Obama doesn’t want to take credit for what he said he would do, he wants to deny that it is happening!! Didn’t Alice say something about things getting ‘CURIOUSER AND CURIOUSER’?


35 posted on 03/14/2012 1:12:47 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: palmer
Point taken. But surface area of a water body is only one function of an evaporation rate. Also important are days of sunshine, temperature and fluctuations of other meteorological factors.

Further, evaporation rates are only a small part of the function on how sea and lake levels will rise and fall. There are vast stretches of low and even below sea level areas in west central Asia (especially around the Caspian Sea) where shorelines are receding, not increasing.

Some of this is, indeed, even man made, particularly the overuse of water resources from the Soviet era. A diversion of even salty sea water to these areas would assist in an ecological recovery, even without regard to global warming.

The Qattara Depression example was cited specifically because it would be a relatively low cost engineering project. A diversion project from, say, the Black Sea to the Caspian Sea would be possible but much more complicated and expensive, but still cheap compared to the type of economic dismantling the global warming alarmists are talking about.

The fact that they won't even discuss ocean diversion projects as part of the solution gives you a clue as to just how phony and invented this problem really is. They are fixated on Marxist and top-down economic solutions only.

However, Marxism is just as much an ecological catastrophe as it is a human and economic catastrophe wherever it had been tried. That's my main point.

36 posted on 03/14/2012 1:46:41 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Vigilanteman
The amusing fact is that Greenland is essentially a huge bowl, weighed down by the accumulation of the ice cap. If it all melted, most of it would never reach the sea, but rather form a huge inland lake.

The warmists are the antiscientists in this fight.

37 posted on 03/14/2012 5:45:34 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I keep praying for rising sea levels. Liberal coastal cities from San Francisco to New York to Boston will be wiped out. Flyover country will now sport resort beaches. It is a win-win.

Please Lord, see to it that we can see sea levels rise high enough to inundate all of the socialist coastal cities.

This is a GOOD thing.


38 posted on 03/14/2012 11:39:45 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (REPEAL OBAMACARE. Nothing else matters.)
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