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Why Obama's Birth Certificate Matters, Especially Now
American Thinker ^ | 3/14/2012 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 03/14/2012 7:42:20 AM PDT by Menehune56

There was a time when someone could perhaps justify sitting on the fence on the matter of Barack Obama's birth certificate. There were those on the left who could chalk doubts about its authenticity up to conspiratorial internet paranoia. As for the right, there was every reason to worry about being the victims of an Alinsky-style setup designed to marginalize opponents. In other words, let the other side double down on an incredible claim, and then, at the most opportune time (October surprise?), provide irrefutable evidence to the contrary and make them look like deluded wackos. So, for a long time, there might have been reason to watch, wait, and let the wheels of investigation render their judgment.

That judgment is in, and the time for waiting is over.

With the results of Maricopa County, AZ sheriff Joe Arpaio's "Cold Case Posse," an incredible claim has become an incredible situation: a team of professional investigators, commissioned by a major law-enforcement agency, has determined that the alleged birth certificate produced by the president of the United States is a probable forgery. Process that for a moment. The regime of the world's most powerful nation -- a republic that prides itself on adherence to the rule of law -- is likely peddling a forged document. What say you, citizen? Note that I didn't claim that the president isn't natural-born. Rather, I claim nothing but am only stating a fact: there is now no denying that the birth-certificate matter warrants further investigation, and it is time for other law-enforcement agencies and the media to show due diligence.

And I will spell out the possibilities here:

The Arizona investigators are correct.
They are mistaken.
They are lying.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/why_obamas_birth_certificate_matters_especially_now.html#ixzz1p6NbTExQ

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arpaio; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; nobama2012; obama; obamatruthfile; sheriffjoe; sheriffjoearpaio
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Good summary of where the eligibility issue is at following the initial Arpaio investigation results.
1 posted on 03/14/2012 7:42:27 AM PDT by Menehune56
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To: Menehune56

Did the Cold Case Posse publish the reasons why they regard the birth certificate as a forgery?


2 posted on 03/14/2012 7:45:44 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Menehune56

Actually, it mattered four years ago - but no one was paying any attention out of love for the novelty of the Chicago Wunderkind.

Now, of course, after incalculable damage has been done to the nation and its economy, as well as to the political process, a handful of people are scratching their heads and discovering that, yes, the United States has a constitution.


3 posted on 03/14/2012 7:47:40 AM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: FewsOrange

yes they did and even proved that his draft card was a childish forgey as well.


4 posted on 03/14/2012 7:49:05 AM PDT by spookie
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To: Menehune56

Bump


5 posted on 03/14/2012 7:54:13 AM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: FewsOrange

yes, in considerable detail

it is undeniable now that it is a fraud.

Even though O’Reilly thinks two birth announcements in a Hawaii newspaper settle the matter for him, that does not explain why the president issued a forged document.

If the two HI announcmeents are real (and there is some doubt) then he would not need to present a forged document to the people... so Why?


6 posted on 03/14/2012 8:00:58 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: spookie; Mr. K

Any links?


7 posted on 03/14/2012 8:03:01 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Menehune56; FewsOrange
A youtube video with the original source being CBS: Confirmed: Obama's Birth Certificate Not Authentic 2012
8 posted on 03/14/2012 8:03:13 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Menehune56

Bump for later.


9 posted on 03/14/2012 8:04:19 AM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: scripter
BTW, I found that link from a WND article here: Stunner! Balanced CBS report on Arpaio probe
10 posted on 03/14/2012 8:05:01 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Menehune56

Thou must not questioneth Obama. Or so some shall sayeth soon.


11 posted on 03/14/2012 8:05:12 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: scripter

I was really looking for the info that Arpaio’s team published rather than a TV report.

I found an e-book here http://superstore.wnd.com/digital/A-Question-of-Eligibility-e-book but it costs $9.99.


12 posted on 03/14/2012 8:09:05 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Menehune56
Good summary of where the eligibility issue is

O, I could have given you that! The eligibility issue is not an issue recognized by those who could do something about clarifying it.

Sheriff Joe and the Posse? OK, boys...nice work! Now what? (And so what?) OBTW, anyone from the MSM cover it? Also, BTW, I have absolutely no idea who or what Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. (or II) is, where he was born and whether or not by some stretch of the legal process he is a "Natural Born Citizen" compliant with the standard set forth in Article II.

I am allowed to discuss it with other people on this site who may or may not have a clue. But no one else has time for it, apparently. I can talk to my elected Republican Representative who says, "Hey he was born in Hawaii!" Which doesn't exactly answer any questions either.

My state AG ()Bill Schneider) has plenty of reason to keep him off the ballot in Maine until all of this is cleared up, but he and the 49 other AsG don't have this on their radar. All it takes is one state AG who wants to become famous.

All a reasonable fellow can say at this point is that the "issue" is in Limbo.
PS: The Pope closed Limbo.

13 posted on 03/14/2012 8:12:09 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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14 posted on 03/14/2012 8:12:30 AM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Menehune56

The truth is, Obama himself doesn’t know the truth of his own birth and probably has no clue as to which black man of several is his real biological father.

His mother was a round-heeled trollop with a lust for black men and heavy partying.
It is doubtful that she herself could state with certainty the true identity of Obama’s real father.


15 posted on 03/14/2012 8:13:25 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: scripter

That was a good video clip


16 posted on 03/14/2012 8:14:30 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: FewsOrange

Thanks for the link. I have an email from WND on Arpaio’s report you may find interesting. While I don’t know if that’s what you’re looking for, want me to freepmail it to you?


17 posted on 03/14/2012 8:15:31 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: F15Eagle

I thought so too. Perhaps the BC issue is finally getting the attention it deserves.


18 posted on 03/14/2012 8:16:46 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Iron Munro

This is my thinking as well.


19 posted on 03/14/2012 8:18:21 AM PDT by AceMineral (Some people are too stupid for their own good.)
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To: Menehune56

Unfortunately no matter how much truth is uncovered, the American people and their popular media people greet it with a collective yawn.


20 posted on 03/14/2012 8:20:38 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Mathematically, it's all over, says Mittens. I'm afraid the people will again let us down.)
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To: Iron Munro
Could explain the quick disappearance of BHO Sr. and his quick “pop-in-I-gotta-go” visit many years later.
21 posted on 03/14/2012 8:23:11 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: Iron Munro

The only way to find the truth is for Governor Abercrombie to undergo hypnosis and take his mind back to 1961, for he says he knew both of Obama’s parents. He does not recall going to the “hospital” of birth. Neither hospital will admit anything. The American people though don’t require truth as a condition for holding office. And for many, the birth announcements the Sunday after Aug. 4, 1961, are sufficient evidence of “natural-born citizenship.”


22 posted on 03/14/2012 8:24:21 AM PDT by Theodore R. (Mathematically, it's all over, says Mittens. I'm afraid the people will again let us down.)
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To: Iron Munro
The truth is, Obama himself doesn’t know the truth of his own birth and probably has no clue as to which black man of several is his real biological father.

Let's assume this is true, for purposes of argument.

It is utterly irrelevant. His mom was married when the child was born. Legally, the father is the husband.

In most states, and I believe HI is one, that presumption cannot be overcome for legal purposes even with DVA evidence proving the husband is not the biological father.

Is this legal situation illogical? Possibly, but it is still the law at this time.

23 posted on 03/14/2012 8:28:14 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Menehune56
“In response to these facts, the left will sometimes mount an argument for why Obama is, in fact, natural-born.”

As I have said for years, Unless we have a legitimate, LEGAL, birth certificate, we can't even know who Obama’s LEGAL father is. For those who say that the birth certificate is moot because Obama’s father was a British subject, I say WHO IS OBAMA'S LEGAL FATHER? The sperm donor doesn't matter. Obama senior is his father? Really? Where is your PROOF? Because Obama SAYS SO? Sorry, not good enough.

Legitimate, ORIGINAL, birth documents (not newspaper birth announcements) FIRST, then and only then, can we PROVE whether he is a “Natural Born Citizen” or not.

24 posted on 03/14/2012 8:35:36 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: Jack Hammer

Here’s how the MSM did it... If you don’t have time to watch all of it, look at the first 30 seconds right now...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080


25 posted on 03/14/2012 8:41:07 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Mr. K; Iron Munro

Mr. K, big, bad, not-afraid-of-anyone-or-anything Bill Eee-go-rielly is actually afraid of something. He’s been told to shut up or has been blackmailed or has been threatened. As have many other “journalists”.

Iron, his mother didn’t just love men, she loved MUSLIM men.


26 posted on 03/14/2012 8:43:27 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: faucetman

If Obama’s REAL BC has another man listed as father other than BHO, Sr., then one way to smoke that document out would be to press the “British Subject” angle. If we could get a court to agree (I know, I know) then I bet that BC with the other father’s name on it materializes. Of course the resulting embarrassment would also mean that BHO might have to withdraw from the presidential election as it would mean his entire story has been a lie.

My point is that the NBC requirement is linked tactically toward getting the real BC out into the public domain.


27 posted on 03/14/2012 8:49:00 AM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: Menehune56; FewsOrange; spookie; so_real; Mr. K; Manic_Episode; scripter; F15Eagle; Kenny Bunk; ...

Here’s HOW the MSM manipulates coverage - check out the first 30 seconds - - you’ll be glad you did...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080


28 posted on 03/14/2012 8:49:20 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Menehune56
What say you, citizen?

I don't see what Arpaio gains from sticking his neck out. He must believe in the strength of the evidence his investigation has produced.

In a credibility contest between Obama and Arpaio, Arpaio wins hands-down.

29 posted on 03/14/2012 8:50:37 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: Menehune56

Before issuing a death certificate the coroner or doctor would have to have the actual birth certificate to know with certainty who had died


30 posted on 03/14/2012 8:51:37 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Terry Mross

Well, if you think about the raw POWER behind 0bama -

the presidency,
the democRat party
the Rat donors’ wealth
the Goonions

it’s no wonder most folks would be afraid to pursue this.


31 posted on 03/14/2012 8:54:27 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Menehune56

When discussing the issue always be ready to throw out the fact that it was a Democrat leader and deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania who started it all.


32 posted on 03/14/2012 8:59:55 AM PDT by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: Menehune56

When discussing the issue always be ready to throw out the fact that it was a Democrat leader and deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania who started it all.


33 posted on 03/14/2012 9:00:10 AM PDT by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: Sherman Logan
His mom was married when the child was born.

It is utterly irrelevant.

Not married legally - Even Obama knows that and has alluded to it in his book.

Obama Sr. was already legally married to another woman, Kezia, back in Kenya at the time he and Stanley Dunham were supposedly married in Hawaii. Bigamy is a crime in the USA. Obama Sr.'s bigamy renders any marriage to Dunham invalid.

(Scoggins v. State 32 Ark 205 and others)

And it is relevant because the nationality of Obama Jr.'s biological father weighs heavily on his claim to legal status as a "natural born" citizen.


34 posted on 03/14/2012 9:00:31 AM PDT by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: Menehune56

Zero is a fraud just like holder is a criminal. What will be done about it? Nothing. The only people that can do anything about it are too afraid of their own corruption coming under scrutiny.


35 posted on 03/14/2012 9:02:24 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: MrB

You and I and the average citizen would be afraid. But not a big shot “more people watch me than any other show” TV personality with the leading cable network behind him. Unless it’s that “Network” that’s told him to shut it. If that’s the case then I guess the more money he makes the more he wants to keep making.

As for the dem voting public, I’ve never heard one liberal say anything good about Arpaio. They either hate him or they exhibit the “obama stare”. (That’s the “nothing is inside my head” stare.”


36 posted on 03/14/2012 9:07:54 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: faucetman

““In response to these facts, the left will sometimes mount an argument for why Obama is, in fact, natural-born.””

Here’s a thought. Exhume his “father” and “mother” and take DNA samples. They do it for other “criminals” to prove their true identity.


37 posted on 03/14/2012 9:09:43 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Terry Mross

A media figure would only have to say, on the air,
“I’ve received threats from XYZ, here’s the proof/recording”

and that would protect them from the exercise of that threat.


38 posted on 03/14/2012 9:12:45 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Iron Munro

Okaay.

But I think arguing that the Obama marriage was invalid hurts your case, not helps it.

It turns Obama into the child of a single woman, who was indisputably a natural-born citizen.

If the marriage is not valid, the biological father’s relevance to citizenship status of the child becomes significantly less valid.


39 posted on 03/14/2012 9:13:59 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Menehune56
I know some people say that we should focus exclusively on defeating Obama, and not focus on this now.

My question is: what if he wins again? I certainly hope it does not happen!!! But if it does, then will it be time to review this matter? I think it would be more likely that people would say “he was elected twice now, so shut up.”

So is this only an issue for the historians of the future? If so, how long must they wait? Will questioning ever be allowed? Will we still have a country at that time?

Thanks for any responses (answers, flames, etc.) in advance.

40 posted on 03/14/2012 9:21:55 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: Mr. K
Even though O’Reilly thinks two birth announcements in a Hawaii newspaper settle the matter for him, that does not explain why the president issued a forged document.

nor does it explain his fraudulent use of a social security number issued in Connecticut where he has NEVER lived (that we know of anyway). How about his Selective Service??? Sheriff Joe Arpaio exposes forgery of Obama's Selective Service registration, the Browns report Published: Tuesday, March 06, 2012

Ignore it all you want to America - I for one know he is illegally in the White House. There has never been a fraud perpetrated on the American public of this grand a scale ever in our history,
41 posted on 03/14/2012 9:23:59 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Cheerio

Correct.


42 posted on 03/14/2012 9:41:45 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Tribune7
a Democrat leader and deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania who started it all....

...and total Clinton stooge who has thrown enough legal pixie dust into the works to gum it up for years!

43 posted on 03/14/2012 9:41:57 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: Iron Munro

It is doubtful that she herself could state with certainty the true identity of Obama’s real father.

And that is the way it is with group sex. There I said it !


44 posted on 03/14/2012 9:42:01 AM PDT by buck61
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To: cvq3842

It took a 130 years for the truth to come out about Chester Arthur ... and only because Lawyer Donofrio decided to look into it!


45 posted on 03/14/2012 9:43:43 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: Theodore R.

undergo hypnosis

This really works. I witnessed a part of a bank robbery years ago, and the FBI ask me if I were willing to undergo hypnosis. I agreed to the hypnosis and witnessed things I didn’t realize I had witnessed through the un-cosience eye.


46 posted on 03/14/2012 9:48:23 AM PDT by buck61
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To: Menehune56

Obama Administration looking for printing Press in 2009 to make a “Forgery”
BC for Obama!!

Canadian Source URL confirming

“Margaret Smith” as a Trustee to the Museum
Starting with the report

From the original report about Obama’s administration:

...doing a long form Birth Certificate........ Forgery:

“They have already prepared the..... forgery..... with special paper and ink. The document was printed on a fully functional 1960 Heidelberger printing press located at a print museum in Toronto.

Access was arranged by a trustee of the museum who is connected to a large Canadian banking/investment firm with major US interests.”

Expounding on this striking detail, some blanks needed to be filled in.

Locating the Museum in Toronto with a printing press that would do the job

Are you ready for this?

****Research was done on nearly every Museum in the Toronto area for a printing press that was operational and could do a ......forgery.*****

Everything connecting museums in the area with this type and age of printing press kept pointing back to one Museum in the area.

The name of the Museum this the...... “National Museum of Science and Technology” .....in Toronto. It has quite a collection of older printing presses. Below is a snippet of the Museums description:

Among numerous exhibits in this educational facility is a collection of printing equipment that includes flatbeds, jobbers, cylinder and rotary presses (http://www.briarpress.org/139)

Identifying a “Trustee” with links to Canadian banking and investment firms

The next item of business was to find any Trustees (as mentioned by the report) to this Museum that had a connection to a large Canadian investment firm.

After looking into this, one person really stood out right away. The Museum only has three Trustees assigned to it and ....”Margaret Smith”.. came up with a numerous ties to Canada’s economic and investment banking syndicate.

It is likely because she serves on the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce for Canada. This definitely qualifies her for being connected to not just one, but several Canadian banking and investment firms.

If it is like in the US, then she probably gets “kick-backs” from more than one firm, by introducing legislation to the Committee that will benefit the firms substantially.

The Trustee of the Museum and member of the Senate Banking Committee appear to be the same .....Margaret Smith, though not 100% certain.

Canadian Source URL confirming Margaret Smith attending a Senate Banking Committee meeting:

http://www.parl.gc.ca/36/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/com-e/bank-e/27mn-e.htm?Language=E&Parl=36&Ses=1&comm_id=3

Canadian Source URL confirming Margaret Smith as a Trustee to the Museum

There are still some questions left, like who did Obama meet with and that is also a member of this same Banking Committee on his recent trip to Canada?

[I found this info on (April 21, 2009) I believe on FreeRepublic]

Proceedings of the Standing Senate Committee on
Banking, Trade and Commerce


47 posted on 03/14/2012 9:53:00 AM PDT by ebysan (ebysan)
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To: Kenny Bunk

Yup - that’s what I was thinking about.

I am not a document expert and I don’t pretend to know the fisrt thing about adobe or photoshop. The prime piece of evidence that leads me to suspect that something is wrong here (that the facts are not as the president has said they are) is the president’s and his administrations own actions.


48 posted on 03/14/2012 9:53:49 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: GOPJ

I wish O’Keiffe or someone would tell the story of the purple tie. It appears this color has become the sign of the “change” we all got duped into. Know anything about it?


49 posted on 03/14/2012 10:07:35 AM PDT by daisy mae for the usa
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To: Menehune56

What is so surprising about this whole affair is that there are still those who are surprised.

Hell, pretty soon you will hear Bill O’Reilly, Rush, Hannity and other news media “pundits” bring up the subject again after, they themselves, had put it to rest being convinced of Bambi’s legitimacy.

Time to get on the bandwagon again you dumbasses.


50 posted on 03/14/2012 10:20:05 AM PDT by 353FMG
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