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Native American tribe given permit to kill bald eagles (for religious purposes)
Fox News/AP ^ | March 14, 2012 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/14/2012 8:05:37 AM PDT by opentalk

CHEYENNE, Wyo. – The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service has taken the unusual step of issuing a permit allowing an American Indian tribe in Wyoming to kill two bald eagles for religious purposes.

The agency's decision comes after the Northern Arapaho Tribe filed a federal lawsuit last year contending the refusal to issue such permits violates tribal members' religious freedom. Although thousands of American Indians apply for eagle feathers and carcasses from a federal repository, permits allowing the killing of bald eagles are exceedingly rare, according to both tribal and legal experts on the matter.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Wyoming
KEYWORDS: americanbird; animalfarm; animalsacrifice; antiamericanism; baldeagle; criticalracetheory; crt; exception; religion; symbolic; usfishwildlife
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1 posted on 03/14/2012 8:05:42 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Well, at one time or another the savages killed most everything else they came in contact with including each other. Why not the Eagle.


2 posted on 03/14/2012 8:07:50 AM PDT by anton
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To: opentalk

I always thought that racism was wrong.

But, if your skin is red; and your family background is Native American; then apparently it’s ok to have a set of laws, benefits and entitlements that are forbidden to me; because my skin color and parentage is different.

The sad part is, that even with laws, benefits and entitlements given to this group - they have not prospered. These laws, benefits and entitlements have only enslaved them further, replacing responsibility, accomplishments, education and motivation with dependance and a culture of entitlement.


3 posted on 03/14/2012 8:10:22 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: opentalk

Why can’t they just pick up some eagle carcasses around the wind turbines instead?

Rather than killing two birds with one stone, Obama’s wind power is killing birds by the thousands with no stones.


4 posted on 03/14/2012 8:11:16 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: Hodar
The Breitart/Bell exposure explains how this administration is applying the law,Obama Transforming America -as promised.

Critical Race Theory Explained

...We can see the clear footprint of CRT all over the Obama Administration. President Obama obviously believes that the system is unjust, upholding racism and requiring “community organizing” to change it in earth-shaking ways.

He appoints Supreme Court judges on the basis of race and gender; his Attorney General refuses to enforce the law equally, because to do so would be to enhance racism. When President Obama said he wanted fundamental change, he meant it at the deepest level.

5 posted on 03/14/2012 8:17:27 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Hodar

The other problem that they battle is that if any leave the reservation they are “sell outs” and generally shunned for it.


6 posted on 03/14/2012 8:21:57 AM PDT by pennyfarmer (Even a RINO will chew its foot off when caught in a trap.)
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To: Hodar
The recent announcement of the religious freedom of Catholics will be trampled by Obama and his Obamacare.

Yet the Native American tribe religious beliefs will receive different consideration.

7 posted on 03/14/2012 8:27:09 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: anton

Bald eagles aren’t endangered any more... there’s no particular reason not to allow this.


8 posted on 03/14/2012 8:30:39 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: Skepolitic
The Bald Eagle is our national bird and symbol of American Freedom and liberty.

interesting this administration will protect bugs and small fish with ..

The Eagle, Our National Emblem:

The bald eagle was chosen June 20, 1782 as the emblem of the United States of American, because of its long life, great strength and majestic looks, and also because it was then believed to exist only on this continent.

On the backs of our gold coins, the silver dollar, the half dollar and the quarter, we see an eagle with outspread wings.

On the Great Seal of the United States and in many places which are exponents of our nation's authority we see the same emblem.

The eagle represents freedom. Living as he does on the tops of lofty mountains, amid the solitary grandeur of Nature, he has unlimited freedom, whether with strong pinions he sweeps into the valleys below, or upward into the boundless spaces beyond.


9 posted on 03/14/2012 8:37:27 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Oberon

In Canada they’re considered a pest.


10 posted on 03/14/2012 8:39:25 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: opentalk

One nation.
Two kinds of political rights.


11 posted on 03/14/2012 8:46:54 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: anton; Hodar
It is always ironic to watch liberalism come back around and bite itself. Indians build casinos by paving over protected environments with no trouble. They develop property on the shoreline. They hunt when they want and fish when they want. They even go right out in the most liberal part of the nation and kill whales - not with arrows and spears, but guns.

I'd like to see them build nuclear power plants, they'd sail past the EPA in weeks.


Tribal whale kill in Washington State.

12 posted on 03/14/2012 8:47:46 AM PDT by Baynative (Please check this out - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFIcZkEzc8I)
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To: opentalk

Good for them.
Eagles are not endangered. To the tribes, they are sacred. Not a bit of the eagle will be wasted. I say, let them go for it.

AND leave the rest of the religions alone too.


13 posted on 03/14/2012 8:49:33 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: opentalk

This is an atrocity....kill those savages!

Whoops....already been there...done that

I tell u what

For every dead eagle they clean up some junk cars and restrooms in their reservation highway stops

We’ll call it even


14 posted on 03/14/2012 8:52:29 AM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: Baynative

[ I’d like to see them build nuclear power plants, they’d sail past the EPA in weeks. ]

Heck they should start building LFTR reactors, they could get those built and start selling us cheap electricity.


15 posted on 03/14/2012 8:58:31 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: opentalk
from article

Federal law prohibits the killing of bald eagles in almost all cases. The government keeps eagle feathers and body parts in a federal repository and tribal members can apply for them for use in religious ceremonies.

The bald eagle was removed from the federal list of threatened species in 2007, following its reclassification in 1995 from endangered to threatened. However, the species has remained protected under the federal Bald and Golden Eagle Protection Act

16 posted on 03/14/2012 8:58:41 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: Hodar

The Iroquois own a lot of the land here surrounding the golf courses- they ain`t stupid.
They also have 2 casinos here and are buying up lotsa land in western NY State.


17 posted on 03/14/2012 9:02:24 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Iroquois savvy? ??????? ?? Who knew?)
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To: Oberon

bingo.


18 posted on 03/14/2012 9:04:36 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: opentalk

What do you bet they have no plans to use a hand made bow and arrow with flint heads. No they will use a white mans gun.


19 posted on 03/14/2012 9:17:13 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Baynative

Yes, shot with a fifty caliber in the old tribal tradition.


20 posted on 03/14/2012 9:20:21 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Hodar

Well, if one goes deeper into that, it gets more complex - the various tribes recognized by the US government, are actually “nations within a nation”, a result of the rather strange methods by which the tribes were annexed into the US as pseudo-independent protectorates. This is why reservation police are mentioned as separate entities on legal documents regarding laws and jurisdiction. So yes, their family backgrounds do grant them certain rights, as a result of treaties that go back decades. For example, under an 1868 treaty, the Shoshone tribe can hunt on national land without interruption. The Fort Bridger treaty states that “The Indians.... shall have the right to hunt on the unoccupied lands of the United States so long as game may be found there on, and so long as peace subsists among the whites and Indians, on the borders of the hunting districts.”


21 posted on 03/14/2012 9:32:54 AM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: opentalk
There are some ******* Swine that should be killed for religious purposes too.

ML/NJ

22 posted on 03/14/2012 9:47:29 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: opentalk

Perhaps in Canada and Alaska the bald eagles are as numerous as crows but not so much in the lower 48 -

In the James River area of VIrginia, they were just about extinct, and now up to around 240-250 breeding pairs. Each pair can lay from 1-3 (3 and occasionally 4 have been seen but are somewhat unusual) eggs, from these hatchlings there is only a 50% survivial rate for those making it to 5 years, which is the earliest that a bald eagle is able to breed.

Given those numbers, it does make me sick that someone can claim the right to kill them. That’s just my opinion. We have several converging rivers in the Dayton area, but no eagles have been seen in many years. Around Lake Erie, I understand there are some. Where we used to summer in Northern Michigan, a pair would come each year (in the 60s) but none have been seen in that area in years.

I guess that even our national symbol has to bend over (and die) for vocal minorities.


23 posted on 03/14/2012 9:48:41 AM PDT by SusaninOhio
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To: opentalk

I love my country, but eagles are glorified buzzards.


24 posted on 03/14/2012 9:51:23 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: anton

And they are lazy and they drink too much and they can’t be trusted. Come on, can’t you come up with something but ancient biased cliches? Crap like this comes from uninformed , lazy people that don’t know and don’t want to know. If I were like you, I would say that you are a white cracker, redneck, who’s people killed the tribes and stole their land outright or by eminent domain. (their greatest tool for theft). Doesn’t come across as intelligent does it?


25 posted on 03/14/2012 10:01:58 AM PDT by fish hawk (NAACP = Native Americans Against Corrupt Politicians)
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To: opentalk
When will we stop calling them "Native Americans"? No human is "native" to this continent. There is nothing special about these folks. They came across the Bering Strait as immigrants, like everyone else. In fact one study now claims that Europeans beat them here.
26 posted on 03/14/2012 10:03:14 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Hodar

So, where does the fault lay and if you had the power to change it, what would you do. I’m not putting you down here, I just wonder what people think about how it should be. Remember you would be expected to keep the promises you made (as a government) and still improve their lives. What is done is done and has been going on so long, any change seems almost dead on arrival.


27 posted on 03/14/2012 10:07:05 AM PDT by fish hawk (NAACP = Native Americans Against Corrupt Politicians)
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To: netmilsmom

Recently a young friend, a member of the Nortern Arapahoe tribe, signed up to learn to participate in the Sun Dance. He said they required himto make a commitment of four years participation in the annual Sun Dance. Last year we were watching the Sun Dance and they accidently dropped a feather on the ground and the dancing was immediately halted and the crowd was silent as an elder of the tribe picked up the feather and reverently performed ceremony with the feather facing in the four directions then returned the feather to the dancer who had dropped and the dancing then resumed. All the little children were dressed in traditional costumes that their mothers had obviously worked worked very had making. The mood of the crowd was
quite festive and happy.


28 posted on 03/14/2012 10:07:30 AM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: opentalk
As an American Indian, I say you are spot on here. I am outraged at what Obama is laying on the Catholic Church.
29 posted on 03/14/2012 10:10:31 AM PDT by fish hawk (NAACP = Native Americans Against Corrupt Politicians)
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To: SusaninOhio
We have several converging rivers in the Dayton area, but no eagles have been seen in many years. Around Lake Erie, I understand there are some. Where we used to summer in Northern Michigan, a pair would come each year (in the 60s) but none have been seen in that area in years.

If those Asian carp get into the Great Lakes, there will be plenty of eagle chow for all.

30 posted on 03/14/2012 10:18:20 AM PDT by Oberon (Big Brutha Be Watchin'.)
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To: anton

Savages, eh?


31 posted on 03/14/2012 10:20:09 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: SusaninOhio

I’m on the Wind River Reservation in Wyoming and we sometimes see eagles soaring very high overhead.


32 posted on 03/14/2012 10:20:23 AM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: fish hawk

Equality means equality. No free school, you can pay like everyone else. I don’t care what your parents did, where they came from, what church they go to - on AMERICAN soil, you can be treated like everyone else.

Right now, we don’t have equality, we have ‘superiority’, at the taxpayer’s expense. Free college tuition, free trade school, free food, free clothing, free medical - and zero personal responsibility.

If the reservations want to be treated like foreign soil, fine. They can be their own isolated countries, they can build their own roads, generate their own power, pay for their own education; just like every other foreign country.

As-is; the Tribal Consul gets to cherry-pick what they want, to their advantage exclusively. If they want to be annexed by the State, then they can have taxpayer paid roads, utilities, fire, police and schools. If they want to remain seperate, then they can establish borders around their reservation - just like any other country would do.

Assimilate, or Separate - your choice. But I submit we remove the “Parasite” from the US taxpayer roles. Just because it’s been going on for years; does not make it right. Slavery, denying women the right to vote and other issues were going on for a long time - it doesn’t make it right.


33 posted on 03/14/2012 10:20:33 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Oberon

BINGO!!!


34 posted on 03/14/2012 10:21:35 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: org.whodat; Baynative
One of the dug out canoe makers from my tribe was asked if it was right for him to use the steel adz and chainsaws etc. to make his canoe. His answer was, he would, when the buyers of his canoes come to pick them up with their horse and wagon. Bottom line, if they would have had chainsaws in those days, no doubt the Indians and everyone else would have been using them. If he had made the canoe the old traditional way, it would have taken him at least a half year to get it done, and when he sold it, he could get not one more dime for that effort.
35 posted on 03/14/2012 10:22:27 AM PDT by fish hawk (NAACP = Native Americans Against Corrupt Politicians)
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To: JerseyanExile
For example, under an 1868 treaty, the Shoshone tribe can hunt on national land without interruption. The Fort Bridger treaty states that “The Indians.... shall have the right to hunt on the unoccupied lands of the United States so long as game may be found there on, and so long as peace subsists among the whites and Indians, on the borders of the hunting districts.”

And if I could provide a document that said my Great-great grandfather owned your great-great grandfather, and any offspring he fathered, was to be passed down through my family; would I now own you? At some point in time, both documents would be equally legally valid. Times have changed. What was reasonable then, is no longer reasonable now. We are either 'equal' or we are not.

36 posted on 03/14/2012 10:27:01 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar
These laws, benefits and entitlements have only enslaved them further, replacing responsibility, accomplishments, education and motivation with dependance and a culture of entitlement." Uncle Sam's Plantation" How the government enslaves America's poor and what we can do about it. By Star Parker, 2010
37 posted on 03/14/2012 10:28:05 AM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: SusaninOhio
I live on a Rez.....

We have hundreds of eagles here in OK...during the winter. Even have a few pairs that live here year round.

Wasn't like that...30-40 yrs ago.

FWIW-

38 posted on 03/14/2012 10:29:06 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Why do we eat Soylindra Green?)
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To: opentalk

Ohhh noes!!!! Two bald eagles!!

They are very abundant around us, here in southeast Wyoming. We live along the North Platte. We see pairs of them all the time.

So they are issued a couple of permits, why is that a problem? Good for the Indians/Native Americans, keeping traditions alive and passing them on to the their children.


39 posted on 03/14/2012 10:36:18 AM PDT by wyokostur
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To: Oberon

“Bald eagles aren’t endangered any more”

No kidding! I live in the heart of Minneapolis 1/4 mile from the Mississippi I see them every day. Dozens of them.

If the natives want to do their thing, ok. No harm to me.


40 posted on 03/14/2012 10:36:48 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: Hodar
The base problem lies with the way things were done in those days. The Government crated reservations to contain the Indians, thereby removing the problem of having them roaming around. To get them to come in peaceably, they promised them a lot of the things you mention above. These promises were given to them in writing in “treaties”. My tribe was denied hunting and fishing rights on our own reservation for years until we took the government to court with our written treaties signed by the leaders of the country. So now, I can hunt and fish without any regard of the Calif. Dept. of Fish and Game. That does not mean I can do anything I want as the tribe has our own police/ wardens to make sure we go by the rules the tribe has set up.
41 posted on 03/14/2012 10:40:29 AM PDT by fish hawk (NAACP = Native Americans Against Corrupt Politicians)
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To: fish hawk
Your tag line, (NAACP = Native Americans Against Corrupt Politicians) is neat
42 posted on 03/14/2012 10:40:29 AM PDT by tommix2 (,)
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To: tommix2

Exactly!
This IS a part of their religion. We went to a Native American festival a couple years ago. They had cute fake eagle feathers for sale. With them came a card explaining that one cannot buy a feather. And if a member of the tribes gives you one, you are held in high regard and should be quite proud.

Freedom of religion. All religions, including Christians deserve that right.


43 posted on 03/14/2012 10:41:21 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: wyokostur
See post #7,

If anyone else does this it is a crime.

44 posted on 03/14/2012 10:43:39 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: fish hawk

Do you know how to find a groundhogs hole, the answer makes more sense than your statement. If it is a tradition do it in the old traditional way. Works for the amish.


45 posted on 03/14/2012 10:47:17 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Baynative

That post gave me a headache. I had to deal with that expensive mess.

It was a PIA for the Sheriff’s department from start to finish.

Now, I don’t have a lib cell in my body, but on this, I am on the side of the Whales. I am as carnivorous as anyone, but I hold that killing Whales when it isn’t needed to survive, is ridiculous.

On both sides of the issue, there were stinking liberal activists everywhere. But, this is Washington state, liberals are not in short supply here.


46 posted on 03/14/2012 10:52:24 AM PDT by Gator113 (** President Newt Gingrich-"Our beloved republic deserves nothing less." ~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: fish hawk
But, you can hunt/fish (in accordance with your Tribal Council) whereas I cannot. Not because you have done anything, but due to your parentage. I can never have the benefits you enjoy, no matter what I do, what I accomplish, nor invest - simply because my skin is white.

Now, I do agree that *if* the reservation is considered tribal land, and you are a member of that tribe (citizen of your nation) - you may do things I cannot, because I am not a citizen of your nation. For example, as a resident of Utah, I may be able to get an Elk license whereas a non-state resident cannot. That is fair, and I think we can both agree on that. However, should you opt to move to Utah, you can enjoy the same privileges I have; whereas the reverse is not true.

Where I draw the line is taxpayer finance. If you do not pay taxes on that land (being your tribe's nation and not US soil); I think I shouldn't have to have my money taken out of my earnings, and given to support that land (roads, school, utilities, police, fire, medical, etc).

On your lands, you can hunt, fish, mine, generate electrical power through whatever means (including coal, nuke, hydro) and be self-sustaining. In doing so, you will motivate others to learn, work and invest - but do so on YOUR dime, not mine. As-is; the American Indian culture is not one that promotes education, hard physical labor, and earning to provide for your family. On reservations in South Dakota (where I was raised) and Washington state (where my children live), we see the worst that reservation life has to offer. This is not something your ancestors knew; this is what has been allowed to happen to your tribe, due to dependence upon the US Gov't. Drug use, violent crime, alcoholism, single-parent families, crime, illiteracy, dropping out of school - it's bad and getting worse. And, IMHO, it all stems from a common source - reliance/dependence upon someone else.

47 posted on 03/14/2012 10:56:43 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: opentalk

I don’t think it’s a racial thing, I think it’s a traditional religious thing.

By a coincidence, I just reread some of Tony Hillerman’s Navajo mystery stories, including “The First Eagle,” which involves a Hopi religious ceremony that requires trapping an eagle. (Wait under in a shelter covered with brush, stick a rabbit out with a rope tied around it, wait until the eagle drops on the rabbit, then pull in the rope and throw a blanket over the eagle.)

They’ve been doing this for a long time, and it’s a basic part of their traditions. A lot more eagles are killed nowadays by “green” windmills.

As for making an exception to the laws for Indians, this is probably on a reservation, where U.S. laws still apply, but where they also converge with Indian laws and customs.


48 posted on 03/14/2012 11:05:36 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Skepolitic
Why can’t they just pick up some eagle carcasses around the wind turbines instead?

Rather than killing two birds with one stone, Obama’s wind power is killing birds by the thousands with no stones.

Exactly... about 10,000 birds per year in the US alone, last I heard. Why do we never hear anything about this from PETA or the Humane Society?

49 posted on 03/14/2012 12:26:29 PM PDT by nutmeg (Rest in Peace, and THANK YOU, Andrew Breitbart)
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To: nutmeg; Skepolitic

http://www.dialight.com/Assets/Application_Notes/Signaling/Obstruction%20Lighting%20Bird%20Strike%20Study.pdf


50 posted on 03/14/2012 12:33:16 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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