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Rick Santorum: An American Ayatollah?
Front Page Magazine ^ | Mar 13th, 2012 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 03/14/2012 1:22:10 PM PDT by presidio9

It’s the latest Leftist talking point: Rick Santorum is a bit dangerous, a bit unhinged, deeply religious and dangerously fanatical, not to be trusted with the governance of our pluralistic republic, and certainly not with guardianship of the First Amendment protection of the freedom of religion. The prominent Leftist Muslim writer Reza Aslan has recently become a foremost exponent of these claims, although they did not by any means originate with him.

Leftist journalists and Islamic supremacist spokesmen always march in lockstep, using the same talking points, as I’ve pointed out previously in connection with Islamic supremacist boy Reza Aslan’s frequent recycling of tired and discredited Leftist/Islamic supremacist agitprop. Aslan is so abjectly intellectually bereft that he has apparently never had an idea of his own, but only repeats whatever his masters have determined to be the political line of the day, and can do nothing but hurl adolescent abuse at those who dare point out his unsavory allegiances and shoddy, dishonest reasoning. Aslan routinely lies about the positions of his opponents — apparently the real points they make are beyond his meager intellectual abilities to answer, so he has to resort to setting up straw men, and does so regularly.

Aslan’s latest straw man, and parroting of a Leftist talking point, comes in a piece so cutesy and self-conscious that the reader is almost embarrassed for him: “Grand Ayatollah or Grand Old Party?,” in Foreign Policy. It’s an exercise in moral equivalence, equating Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei with Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum. The piece appeared on February 29, one day after — what a coincidence! — the Cagle cartoon above, which equates Santorum with Taliban suicide bombers. I am not saying Aslan cribbed from Cagle; what is more likely is that they’re both repeating a Leftist line that originated with neither of them.

Anyway, Aslan’s whole piece is summed up in its subtitle: “Who said it: Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei or U.S. Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum?” The bulk of the rest is a series of quotes, with the reader invited to guess which man said each, although only the most blinkered Leftist would fail to identify correctly the source of each one. Writes Aslan — and one can picture him mugging furiously for the cameras — “One is a religious fanatic railing against secularism, the role of women in the workplace, and the evils of higher education, as he seeks to impose his draconian moral values upon the state. The other is the supreme leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran.”

Yes, yes, Santorum is the American Khamenei, the American Taliban. No doubt he wants to mow down his own people who dare to dissent from his policies, blow up girls’ schools, throw acid in the faces of women who get out of line, make people wearing Western dress drink from latrine water, imprison and torture rivals and those who disagree with him, amputate the hands of thieves, murder apostates, stone adulterers — you name it. Of course, Leftists probably really do believe that Santorum wants to do those things, and are attacking him on that basis, even though it doesn’t seem to bother them all that much when the mullahs or the Taliban actually do them.

Behind this witless equivalence, there is a more sinister agenda. Aslan is a Board member of the National Iranian American Council (NIAC), about which the Iranian human rights activist Manda Zand Ervin writes:

The Iranian American community widely believes NIAC…to be a Washington lobby group for the Khomeinist regime leadership. NIAC has long advocated unconditional negotiations with Tehran, and the total abandonment of all economic sanctions and military options against the Iranian regime. NIAC’s advocacy appears as a deftly veiled refusal to support the Iranian democracy activists and the Iranian freedom movement. This is not only un-American but contradicts all conservative ideals. The founder of NIAC, Trita Parsi is an unpopular figure within the Iranian-American community, as can be seen from his high disapproval ratings in a July 2011 poll of over 1800 Iranian Americans taken by the Pro-Democracy Movement of Iran. Senator Jon Kyl has called for an investigation into Trita Parsi and his work. Last month, on November 5, Parsi stated that criticism of Iran should be “punishable.”

So by equating Santorum with Khamenei, Aslan is not only smearing Santorum, but whitewashing the murderous mullahs, equating their bloody record with American social conservatism. In other words, Aslan is not just stupid; he’s evil.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 03/14/2012 1:22:19 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

They also said George W Bush was a “Dangerous Christian”.

Best complement I ever heard.


2 posted on 03/14/2012 1:24:02 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: presidio9

Well.. here we go again. Some nutjobs zeroing in on Santorum again. He must be approaching the target.


3 posted on 03/14/2012 1:26:57 PM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: presidio9

American Ayatollah? Lets see, which person in government that tag would fit best?


4 posted on 03/14/2012 1:28:27 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: presidio9
Rick Santorum Barack Obama is a bit dangerous, a bit unhinged, deeply religious and dangerously fanatical, not to be trusted with the governance of our pluralistic republic, and certainly not with guardianship of the First Amendment protection of the freedom of religion.
5 posted on 03/14/2012 1:28:41 PM PDT by Lexinom (Mitt < 1,144)
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To: presidio9

Good piece, well written.


6 posted on 03/14/2012 1:28:44 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: presidio9

If they think he’s dangerous, they better not look too closely at America’s founding fathers.


7 posted on 03/14/2012 1:38:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: presidio9

“Rick Santorum: An American Ayatollah?”

This is called “projection”, and liberals/leftists have been doing it for decades....


8 posted on 03/14/2012 1:40:13 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: DannyTN

Eventually it may dawn on the Republican establishment that there are twice as many conservatives in this country as there are liberals. The guys the liberal media tries to market as “Dangerous” (like Reagan and Bush 43) tend to win. Its when we send them a moderate (like McCain, Dole and Bush41) that we have problems. This is particularly true now that everyone (including the moderates) has numerous conservative news alternatives. The last “Extremist” conservative candidate to lose was AuH2O, a year after the Kennedy assassination.


9 posted on 03/14/2012 1:40:43 PM PDT by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: presidio9

Obama use religious references all the time and the left never bat an eye about it


10 posted on 03/14/2012 1:42:23 PM PDT by 4rcane
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To: ScottinVA
“Some nutjobs zeroing in on Santorum again”

These aren't just some nutjobs. This false narrative is being agressively promoted by the entire MSM as well as the Democrat Party. A MSM reporter recently said she was hurt that women voted for Santorum.

Notice how they never say anything negative about Muslims. But they are always accusing sincere Christians of having the the violent attributes of Muslims. They say prayer is the same as suicide bombing. They say practicing your faith is the same as carrying out a Fatwah.

And you notice these MSM Democrat smear merchants and paid liars never attack Romney. They only attack conservatives.

Santorum is winning despite their coordinated, dishonest attacks. Santorum is winning despite the attack ads from Romney. Santorum is winning despite being outspent 30 to 1 by Romney.

11 posted on 03/14/2012 1:44:04 PM PDT by detective
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To: presidio9

When the real nutjobs go hyperbolic and call a good man like Santorum “dangerous”, we’re doing something right.


12 posted on 03/14/2012 1:47:28 PM PDT by Antoninus (Goal #1: Defeat Romney. Goal #2: Defeat Obama. If we don't achieve both goals, 2012 is a loss.)
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To: mountainlion

Ayatollah Obama, the personality cult President.... comes very close to matching that description


13 posted on 03/14/2012 1:59:31 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: presidio9
"It’s the latest Leftist talking point: Rick Santorum is a bit dangerous, a bit unhinged, deeply religious and dangerously fanatical, not to be trusted with the governance of our pluralistic republic, and certainly not with guardianship of the First Amendment protection of the freedom of religion."

It may be the latest leftist talking point, but that hasn't kept any number of FReepers from taking a deep draught from the same Kool-Aid pitcher.

14 posted on 03/14/2012 2:03:23 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: presidio9

“It’s the latest Leftist talking point: Rick Santorum is a bit dangerous, a bit unhinged, deeply religious and dangerously fanatical, not to be trusted with the governance of our pluralistic republic, and certainly not with guardianship of the First Amendment protection of the freedom of religion. The prominent Leftist Muslim writer Reza Aslan has recently become a foremost exponent of these claims, although they did not by any means originate with him. “

Yes. And George W. Bush was a foaming at the mouth right wing extemist, Newt Gingrich is a polygamist who is out of touch with reality, Ronald Reagan was a senile old man who never ran the Country.......... leftist go blithly on spinning myths about anyone who disagrees with them and they have their accolytes in the media parrot it over and over again.


15 posted on 03/14/2012 2:06:33 PM PDT by ZULU (LIBERATE HAGIA SOPHIA!!!!!)
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To: presidio9

With TOTUS, FLOTUS, Hitlary and Joe running about, it may not be a good idea to run up a term like Ayatollah to describe anybody.


16 posted on 03/14/2012 2:08:53 PM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: presidio9

A Hydra Is In The Mourning After Pill
OBMACARE is a Hydra a 9 headed snake
which Can only be Destroyed By A Firebrand
by L.J .Keslin http://www.theusmat.com

Of the three GOP candidates remaining opposing Mitt Romney for the presidency Newt Gingrich , Ron Paul, and Rick Santorum. Only one has had the courage to take on a what they call a third rail issue...Eugenics... and has had his character asassinated for it... He’s been characterized as a women hater ,, a religious nut, a one trick pony, .... pummeled from both sides and that is Rick Santorum ,,,,What’s really in Obamacare and

What is Eugenics....? It’s control.... and all that goes with it. Two groups late in the last century led in Eugenic development. The Nazis and the Communists. Few know or remember how the Nazis began. First citing “health risk” “nicht rauchen” baning cigarette smoking, Then terminating Down Syndrome children, and then on to mentally defective children and adults,. then on to besides murdering opponents, races. All done to make the German Reich healthy and last a thousand years.

Eugenics explained in common words is this. And it ain’t just b/c pills, condoms, and womens rights. It’s government policy. :You surrender your individuality to the group to advance the greater good of the group. If your unhealthy or too old and you can’t work for the greater good of the group any more, you are disposed of in the way the group decides. If there are too many people , the group decides no more babiys, kill them. Now lets take the word”group” and change it for the word “ state”. Women surrender their rights when they buy into this monstrosity . That is what’s in Obamacare which is deceptively titled “The Affordable Health Care Act”

.So you go to the MSM (Main Stream Media) the so called “gate keepers” for information about these things and you find closed gates . Either it’s not mentioned at all , or downplayed, and given Obamacom talking point excuses for their reason. An example of this is how the sorcerers in the media were allowed to conjure Eugenics which is an integral part of Obama/Romneycare known as the Affordable Health Care Act magically reduce a 2000 page Hydra , a Greek legendary nine headed venomous snake that must be slain by a firebrand ,and morph it into the mourning after pill and a “womans health care issue.” .

The “gatekeepers” never called it out for what it is ..Obama and his Demo-com HHS department Secretary Selbelius who is a CINO (Catholic In Name Only and should be excommunicated period) .Yet Obamacom tzars who hail from that foreign land, the deep swamp of Acadamica are all preaching the utopian wonders of Eugenics. Why it’s the final solution (remember him ?) population control. Which is part of the Obamacare package.

Obamacare drafters who are exempt from being on Obamacare are on record and actually called it population control and demanded Catholic bishops support it.* Their statements are out there .But not mentioned by the so called gate-keepers but by the AM the alternate media, meaning radio talk shows like Limbaugh’s and websites like Britebart’s Government . Places Obama wants to shut down and will once re-elected *Joel Pollak Britebart Government .

Another issue is its constitutionality imposing a current government position on religious groups. And BTW (by the way) one group has been excluded in the “Affordable Health Care Act” for religious reasons ...the Amish....Again silence from MSM .Demanding changes of acceptance in what was traditional core cultural values held by religious groups and advancing eugenics meaning infantacide and condeming seniors to soylent green centers certainly does have a place in the political discussion.

Once upon a time there were Democrat voices who would warn when pitfalls of bad legislation appeared. Saddly there are no longer any independent voices in todays Democrat Party. Liberal watch dogs like Proxmire or Moynihan are gone . A liberal would be screaming about the benefits from private job creation projects like an iron mine in Wisconsin for a desperate area in need of jobs or the Keystone pipeline transfering oil from Canada to American refineries and support them.

A socialist or communist because of a political agenda,would reject them and they have. In each case the US Senate, and the Wisconsin state (hate the governor) senate dominated by agenda driven democrats killed both projects .They’re not just Democrats but hyphenated Demo-Coms placing their political agenda above the common good.

The Keystone pipeline and iron mine decisions which would have provided employment to thousands and reduced gas prices. Their rejection by the demo-coms should send a signal to the Republican bleeding heart establishment . “Bi-partisanship” doesn’t exist with socialists and to its leading presidential candidate Mitt Romney. Mr Romney should start realizing Obama is a “socialist”.. Everyone including the monthly liberal magazine Newsweek knows he is but Mr Romney just can’t seem to get around to saying it .

Where the Santorum campaign failed was to allow the media to describe the issue and reduce it into popping a pill. Furthurmore in Ohios case you had some local major market so called conservative talk show hosts ridiculing Santorum on this issue not just the drummers (as in venomous snake oil hustlers) on MSM.

Whether Santorum decides to shy away from this issue or re-frame it is up to him and his advisors. But he should be encouraged to re-adjust the focus. One way the Catholic bishops can help is use the mechanisms they have to do so...After all they have shut down parishes which retained the latin mass but can not speakout and act on this despicable movement ? Particularly when that is being shoved on religious groups by the Demo-Coms . Especially when they are ignoring constitutional rights...L.J.K.

Good example of what this is


17 posted on 03/14/2012 2:12:35 PM PDT by mosesdapoet ("The best way to punish a country is let professors run it. Fredrick the Great p/p)
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To: presidio9

Sure, ignore the REAL Ayatollah in the White House, and fool the stupid American people into thinking that the true patriot in the race is a *dangerous* religious extremist!


18 posted on 03/14/2012 2:30:25 PM PDT by alstewartfan ( 27 of 36 Romney judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: ZULU
Yes. And George W. Bush was a foaming at the mouth right wing extemist, Newt Gingrich is a polygamist who is out of touch with reality, Ronald Reagan was a senile old man who never ran the Country.......... leftist go blithly on spinning myths about anyone who disagrees with them and they have their accolytes in the media parrot it over and over again.

My personal favorite: George Herbert Walker Bush was a "wimp."

I disagree with a lot of his poltical views, but Bush41 was possibly the biggest badass ever to hold the office of CIC. From the youngest combat pilot in US military history (a record that should never be broken) to skydiving at 85, the man has big brass ones.

19 posted on 03/14/2012 2:31:18 PM PDT by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: presidio9

Not to mention the fact that he was shot down near the coast of Iwo Jima and almost executed by the Japanese...

Not sure many people knew about that..


20 posted on 03/14/2012 3:20:40 PM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: presidio9

Mr. Spencer is correct. This is exactly what Left thinks and spews. The Left’s playbook was written by Saul Alinsky, and one of his foremost rules was the destruction of an opponent.


21 posted on 03/14/2012 3:22:47 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: Lexinom

Obama is dangerous. But you’d have to eliminate “deeply religious” from the phrase, unless it was made clear that his religion is not of God, at least in the way we know Him.


22 posted on 03/14/2012 3:26:00 PM PDT by oneamericanvoice (Support freedom! Support the troops! Surrender is not an option!)
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To: oneamericanvoice
Obama is deeply religious indeed, with his faith like any good secularist's placed firmly in Almighty Man.

(Every living human being is religious; some are just more honest about it I suppose.)

23 posted on 03/14/2012 3:29:20 PM PDT by Lexinom (Mitt < 1,144)
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To: presidio9; wagglebee; little jeremiah; Salvation; cripplecreek; Sun; narses; NYer; JulieRNR21

From judicially imposing gay marriage to forcing insurers to provide contraceptive insurance at taxpayer expsnse, it’s the Secular Left which has been forcing its values on everyone else. Their hypocricy is so rank, it boggles the mind.


24 posted on 03/14/2012 5:22:00 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (A chameleon belongs in a pet store, not the White House)
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14 posted on Wednesday, March 14, 2012 4:03:23 PM by Joe 6-pack: “It may be the latest leftist talking point, but that hasn't kept any number of FReepers from taking a deep draught from the same Kool-Aid pitcher.”

Agreed. This has been one of the most disappointing developments of the primary season.

The invective spewed against Rick Santorum by liberals is expected. Connecting his name with a byproduct of homosexual unprotected anal sex was one of the first successful cases of googlebombing, and he's been a target of vicious hatred by the gay community for a very long time.

What was not expected was the viciousness of the attacks against Rick Santorum by fellow conservatives. I don't have a problem with someone who thinks someone else is a better candidate. That's fair. What's new is the attacks on Christian beliefs by conservatives who say that someone who is an outspoken conservative Christian is a hindrance to the conservative movement because he loses elections and drives away people who value personal freedom.

I do realize there has been a libertarian amoral wing of the conservative movement for longer than I have been alive. I realize that some economic conservatives and some military/national defense conservatives have always been capitalists first or America firsters with no reference to moral values. I also am **VERY** much aware of the hatred by many RINOs of the “great evangelical unwashed.”

What's different this year is that not just the RINOs but hard-right conservatives have been openly attacking Christian conservatives. I simply haven't seen that in previous election cycles — the nationalist conservatives were saying “going to church is part of being a patriotic American” and the economic conservatives were staying quiet about their personal moral choices.

I wonder if this is what lies behind all the stories in the New York Times and other mainstream media about how the secular Tea Party has overtaken the religious right as the provider of highly motivated foot soldiers for the conservative movement. Maybe their reporters, who generally make no claim to be religious believers, have seen something more clearly about changes in the conservative movement than those of us who are traditional “social conservatives.” After all, many of us who are Christians have been around the conservative movement for a long time and people who don't share our faith probably aren't going to deliberately try to offend us to our face.

25 posted on 03/14/2012 7:31:38 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Bikkuri
Not to be a smartass, but it was actually Chichi-Jima, 150 miles north of Iwo Jima, but not suitable for air operations.

From the wiki review on "Flyboys" (an excellent book, BTW):

As U.S. Marines in 1945 invaded Iwo Jima some 150 miles away, U.S. warplanes bombed the small communications outpost on Chichi Jima. While Iwo Jima had Japanese forces numbering 22,000, Chichi Jima's forces numbered 25,000. Additionally, Iwo Jima has flat areas suitable for a naval invasion, while Chichi Jima's geography included hilly terrains and unsuitable coasts. According to one Marine (who Bradley does not identify), "Iwo was hell. Chichi would have been impossible." Assumedly, it is because of this that U.S. pilots, known as "Flyboys", were needed to neutralize Chichi's defenses.[1]

Nine crewmen survived after being shot down in the raid. One was picked up by the American submarine USS Finback. His name was Lieutenant George H. W. Bush, who later became the forty-first President of the United States. The others were captured by the Japanese and were executed and partially eaten as POWs, a fact that remained hidden until much later. The names of Flyboys were Jimmy Dye from Mount Ephraim, New Jersey, Floyd Hall from Sedalia, Missouri, Marve Mershon from Los Angeles, California, Warren Earl Vaughn from Childress, Texas, Dick Woellhof from Clay Center, Kansas Grady York from Jacksonville, Florida, Glenn Frazier from Athol, Kansas, and an airman whose name was never known. Senior Japanese Army Officers hosted a Sake party for their Navy counterparts where the livers of American POW's were roasted and served as an appetizer. The Navy officers subsequently reciprocated by hosting a party where they butchered and served their own American POW's.[1]

The book also documents Japanese cannibalization of not only the livers of freshly killed prisoners, but also the cannibalization-for-sustenance of living prisoners over the course of several days, amputating limbs only as needed to keep the meat fresh in the harsh jungle environment. It also cites cannibalisim of Allied soldiers killed in action and of Japanese dead, wounded and by lot drawings.[2]

These atrocities on Chichi-jima, were discovered in late 1945 and was investigated as part of the war crimes trials. In 1946, 30 Japanese soldiers were court-martialed on Guam and five officers (Maj. Matoba, Gen. Tachibana, Adm. Mori, Capt. Yoshii, and Dr. Teraki) were found guilty and hanged. All of the enlisted men were released within eight years.[3]

26 posted on 03/14/2012 9:48:35 PM PDT by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: presidio9

I knew WH had been shot down, but did not know all that.


27 posted on 03/14/2012 10:02:26 PM PDT by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: presidio9

Thank you for the correction... It’s been a long while since I read the book about that particular incidence. I loaned the book out to a Japanese friend who was interested in reading it and haven’t seen it again :/ (That was about 6 years ago).

Many things out there, lots to learn, and not enough people reading about history. So sad.

Again, thank you for setting that straight ;)


28 posted on 03/15/2012 12:22:46 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: kalee; presidio9; All
27 posted on Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:02:26 AM by kalee: “I knew WH had been shot down, but did not know all that.”

Same here.

It says a lot about President George H.W. Bush's restraint that he didn't use this in his campaigns. Bush was a legitimate combat war hero, gave up an Ivy League college deferment to become the youngest-ever American combat pilot, and apparently narrowly escaped being eaten by sadistic Japanese cannibal war criminals. It's the sort of thing nobody would believe and everybody would think is a wild exaggeration — except that it is TRUE.

We sometimes forget just how horrible some of the enemies of Western civilization have been over history. Obviously we have our problems as Americans, but eating the livers of enemies of our prisoners of war, and keeping POWs alive after we hack off some but not all of their limbs so we can harvest their remaining body parts for food without needing to worry about refrigeration in jungle conditions, is not on the list of American problems.

When American servicemen urinate on enemy corpses, it gets blasted all over the international media with other Americans killed in retaliation. When Japanese servicemen kill captured pilots and eat their roasted body parts, the case gets buried and most of those involved get released after eight years of imprisonment.

It would be nice to believe the reason for the difference is that Americans have higher standards and we get attacked for hypocrisy when we fail to follow our own standards.

29 posted on 03/15/2012 6:24:21 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Bikkuri

[Not to mention the fact that he was shot down near the coast of Iwo Jima and almost executed by the Japanese...]

George was not “almost executed” by the Japanese. Here are the facts around his service and casualty incident;

After Bush’s promotion to Lieutenant (junior grade) on August 1, the San Jacinto commenced operations against the Japanese in the Bonin Islands. Bush piloted one of four Grumman TBM Avenger aircraft from VT-51 that attacked the Japanese installations on Chichijima.[5]

His crew for the mission, which occurred on September 2, 1944, included Radioman Second Class John Delaney and Lieutenant Junior Grade William White.[1]

During their attack, the Avengers encountered intense anti-aircraft fire; Bush’s aircraft was hit by flak[6] and his engine caught on fire.[1]

Despite his plane being on fire, Bush completed his attack and released bombs over his target, scoring several damaging hits.[1] With his engine afire, Bush flew several miles from the island, where he and one other crew member on the TBM Avenger bailed out of the aircraft;[6] the other man’s parachute did not open.[1]

It has not been determined which man bailed out with Bush[1] as both Delaney and White were killed as a result of the battle.[6] Bush waited for four hours in an inflated raft, while several fighters circled protectively overhead until he was rescued by the lifeguard submarine USS Finback.[1]

For the next month he remained on the Finback, and participated in the rescue of other pilots


30 posted on 03/15/2012 6:35:16 AM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: presidio9

Bush was shot down on 2 september, 1944...five months before the Iwo landings.


31 posted on 03/15/2012 6:38:38 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
Bush was shot down on 2 september, 1944...five months before the Iwo landings.

You'll have to take the matter up with respected WWII histortian James Bradley, author of this account, Flags of our Fathers, and Imperial Cruise. To be honest, I'm not sure what you're disputing here, but past experience tells me that you tend to feel entitled to your own facts to go with your curious opinions.

32 posted on 03/15/2012 10:45:35 PM PDT by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: darrellmaurina; Bikkuri; PSYCHO-FREEP; Kaylee

The Germans deserve every bit of bad press they get, but there were men every bit as evil as Hitler walking around at that time, and they didn’t always have swastikas on their jackets. The Russians were at least as repulsive as the Nazis. The Japanese, who had no cultural understanding of surrender or prisoners, were worse. The Japanese not only believed they were the “Master Race,” they believed they were the only humans. They had no immigrant population to purge on their island homeland, but everybody else, everywhere they went, was fair game.


33 posted on 03/15/2012 10:55:34 PM PDT by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: presidio9
33 posted on Friday, March 16, 2012 12:55:34 AM by presidio9: “The Germans deserve every bit of bad press they get, but there were men every bit as evil as Hitler walking around at that time, and they didn’t always have swastikas on their jackets. The Russians were at least as repulsive as the Nazis. The Japanese, who had no cultural understanding of surrender or prisoners, were worse. The Japanese not only believed they were the ‘Master Race,’ they believed they were the only humans. They had no immigrant population to purge on their island homeland, but everybody else, everywhere they went, was fair game.”

We agree, especially about the Japanese.

To get an idea just how horrible the Japanese were, it was their **LIBERALS** oriented toward the West who were allowed to run their puppet state in Manchuria which conducted human experiments in biological warfare, hypothermia, and trauma surgery. More typical Japanese occupying armies elsewhere had even more vicious attitudes — instead of keeping most of the civilian population alive and using only a few for inhuman experiments as the liberals did in Manchuria, Japanese who conquered elsewhere considered things like the Bataan Death March to be appropriate and normal behavior to conquered people.

My wife is Korean. My father- and mother-in-law, who now live in our home in the United States, lived through the Japanese colonization of their nation and were teenagers during World War II. Connect the dots.

As a Freeper, I'm sure you'll agree that multiculturalism is wrong. I'd go beyond that limited statement on which most conservatives can concur and say some cultures are so horrifically evil that they must be destroyed in order to be rebuilt from their ashes.

Nazi Germany and its Prussian predecessors, as well as the Imperial Japanese Shinto cult, are on my list of such cultures which could be fixed only by utter and absolute military defeat, followed by reconstruction by occupying forces. I'd probably say the same thing for radical Islam, though I still have some hope that liberal forms of Islam will do the same sorts of damage to Islam that liberalism has done to Christian churches. The Islamic “moderates” deserve time to try to fix their societies, just as we encouraged liberal Germans and liberal Japanese in the 1920s and 1930s before their reform movements failed, but I'm not optimistic.

34 posted on 03/15/2012 11:37:30 PM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: presidio9
You'll have to take the matter up with respected WWII histortian James Bradley, author of this account, Flags of our Fathers, and Imperial Cruise. To be honest, I'm not sure what you're disputing here, but past experience tells me that you tend to feel entitled to your own facts to go with your curious opinions.

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A correction is not a dispute. And facts are neither yours nor mine.

You may rely on a novelist for what you think are the facts...some of us prefer to do our own work and have read the USN's own account which is available on line.

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq10-1.htm

35 posted on 03/16/2012 4:39:16 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
The US navy began strikes against the island of Iwo Jima on June 15th, 1944. The first American casualty was suffered two days later when a member of an underwater demolition team was struck and killed by small arms resistance. The campaign against Chichi was undertaken only because the Japanese were using it to reinforce Iwo Jima. The island itself had no stategic value, and the Americans never bothered to take it until the war was over.

And Bradley never wrote a novle that I am aware of.

36 posted on 03/16/2012 11:42:38 PM PDT by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: presidio9
Want to double down? Go ahead...here's the quote that you first posted.....

"As U.S. Marines in 1945 invaded Iwo Jima some 150 miles away, U.S. warplanes bombed the small communications outpost on Chichi Jima.....Nine crewmen survived after being shot down in the raid. One was picked up by the American submarine USS Finback. His name was Lieutenant George H. W. Bush, who later became the forty-first President of the United States."

As I and others pointed out (with supporting USN links), the raid during which Bush was shot down happened on September 2, 1944 ----- five months before the invasion of Iwo Jima.

If you want to get prissy about facts you should make sure that they are on your side.

37 posted on 03/17/2012 7:59:15 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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You are exactly as silly as I remember you. The bombardment Bush participated was part of invasion any way you want to slice it. The US had no strategic interest in bombarding Chichi EXCEPT as part of the invasion. And if you require actual boots on the ground to qualify an invasion, well, we have that too when the frogman got shot.

I swear I think the only reason you ever log on to FR is to come up with new ways to correct someone. An yet, you're always wrong. Even when your point is semantic.

38 posted on 03/20/2012 1:49:31 PM PDT by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: presidio9
It took you three days to think of something to say?

And even then you are wrong.

39 posted on 03/20/2012 2:05:38 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
I suggest you read the first 50 pages of "Fly Boys" to see what Bush gave up to become the youngest pilot and what he did to be called a hero. His is an amazing story that no one will EVER hear from our media.

PS: You're a punk.

40 posted on 03/20/2012 2:14:34 PM PDT by Deb (Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)
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To: wtc911
It took you three days to think of something to say?

I have a life.

And even then you are wrong.

Even you can probably do better than that. Are you drinking right now?

41 posted on 03/20/2012 2:16:22 PM PDT by presidio9 (catholicscomehome.org)
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To: Deb
Oh, no...some anonymous internet cupcake named deb doesn't like me.....the horror.

btw...nothing I wrote has anything to do with GHB's exploits, except getting the facts of the dates correct.

42 posted on 03/20/2012 6:30:16 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: presidio9; nuconvert

NOVEMBER 2009 : (LIBYA : BROWN LLOYD JAMES, THE PR FIRM THAT REPRESENTS PARSI’S PRO-IRANIAN REGIME LOBBYING GROUP NIAC [AND FORMERLY REPRESENTED QADAFFI & AL JAZEERA ENGLISH], HAS OPENED AN OFFICE IN TRIPOLI -— See OBAMA ADMIN’S JOHN LIMBERT OF NIAC, ELI LAKE, MEDIA BIAS) (Excerpt) Read more at commentarymagazine.com ...-———NIAC’s PR Offensive (National Iranian American Council), Commentary mag. ^ | 11-18-09 | Jennifer Rubin Posted on Sunday, November 22, 2009 8:16:06 AM by nuconvert


43 posted on 10/01/2012 9:36:21 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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NOVEMBER 2009 : (NIAC’S JOHN LIMBERT WILL REPLACE DENNIS ROSS) John Limbert will be the senior Iran official at the State Department, replacing Dennis Ross, who has moved to the National Security Council (and who has not been heard from publicly since). Should America be concerned? Yes. Limbert is not a neutral arbiter; he serves on the advisory board of the National Iranian American Council (NIAC). (Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...———The New Iran Man at the State Department’s Iran Desk
The American Thinker ^ | Ed Lasky Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 3:43:26 PM by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/the_new_iran_man_at_the_state.html


44 posted on 10/01/2012 9:41:58 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge)
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