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Disabled access rule may close some hotel pools
abcnews.go.com ^ | March 13, 2012

Posted on 03/14/2012 3:40:44 PM PDT by grundle

Many hotels are faced with making improvements to pools by Thursday or falling out of compliance with the latest accessibility laws for disabled people.

Hoteliers must have pool lifts to provide disabled people equal access to pools and whirlpools, or at least have a plan in place to acquire a lift. If they don't, they face possible civil penalties of as much as $55,000.

There are about 51,000 hotels, according to the American Hotel & Lodging Association, and most have pools.

The lifts are required by regulations made in 2010 stemming from the Americans With Disabilities Act, a civil rights law that bans discrimination based on disability.

With just days before the deadline, some hotels are considering shutting their pools or whirlpools to avoid penalties or possible lawsuits.

The 93-room Town & Country Inn in Quincy, Ill., for instance, has halted reopening its newly renovated pool and whirlpool for fear that it would buy the wrong type of lift and not meet the new rule.

"If we have to close our pool for a month, that's fine," says Dax Fohey, the hotel's general manager. "Our pool is a nice amenity, but it's not the main feature."

A pool lift costs $3,000 to $6,000. New hotels, which fall under different rules, are being constructed with built-in lifts.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: ada; disabilities; poollifts; pools; swimmingpools; wheelchairlifts; wheelchairs

1 posted on 03/14/2012 3:40:48 PM PDT by grundle
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To: grundle

Unbelievable......

If they need that gizmo, they aren’t safe in the pool to begin with.


2 posted on 03/14/2012 3:43:07 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: grundle

You would think the whole damn nation was disabled.

Oh well, we get what we vote for.


3 posted on 03/14/2012 3:49:56 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: grundle

Disabled people have gone from being sympathetic figures to crass shakedown artists.

Their agenda isn’t “equality” — it is revenge on the abled.

I 100% guarantee you that the last place I worked we were told the DAY AFTER the ADA passed that we were under NO circumstances to hire any disabled b/c they would be impossible to fire.


4 posted on 03/14/2012 3:50:12 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: freedumb2003
I 100% guarantee you that the last place I worked we were told the DAY AFTER the ADA passed that we were under NO circumstances to hire any disabled b/c they would be impossible to fire.

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A company would be better off hiring a moslem in full garb than a person in a wheelchair.

5 posted on 03/14/2012 3:53:50 PM PDT by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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To: grundle

If there is a market for “accessible” pools, then hotels would be able to charge a premium for them, which would encourage more hotels to make their pools accessible.

It’s really wonderful how the free market works when it is allowed.


6 posted on 03/14/2012 3:53:58 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: grundle
Art galleries need to accommodate the blind, and orchestras the deaf. Hollywood already accommodates the dumb.

7 posted on 03/14/2012 3:56:12 PM PDT by I see my hands (It's time to.. KICK OUT THE JAMS, MOTHER FREEPERS!)
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To: grundle
Here are some pics of these gizmos.

8 posted on 03/14/2012 4:00:00 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Will the families of the disabled sue when they drown because they don’t know how to swim?


9 posted on 03/14/2012 4:05:56 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: grundle

I bet the hotels will decide to close the pools—and they may never reopen them. Pools are expensive to maintain and costly from an insurance standpoint.

Now if you start putting in lifts so disabled people can use them, the liability insurance costs could go through the roof once underwriters start reviewing the issue.

Goodbye resort hotels. Goodbye Mom and Pop Motel 6s.


10 posted on 03/14/2012 4:23:32 PM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

They would have to hire someone to operate the lift. This should be voluntary for the hotels to be wheelchair friendly. Butt out government!


11 posted on 03/14/2012 4:24:01 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: Born to Conserve

The market only works that way if demand is high enough to justify charging a premium. The whole point of the ADA law is to force businesses to offer amenities that aren’t in demand enough to justify the expenditure. It’s the antithesis of how a free market works.


12 posted on 03/14/2012 4:24:25 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: grundle
Where's Bob?
13 posted on 03/14/2012 4:25:35 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: wildbill
I'll bet most of them close the pool and fill it up with dirt. When traveling in Florida, I noticed it was common for families who lived in the area of the hotel where I was staying for business to rent a room for the weekend to give the "kids" an opportunity to use the pool. In retrospect, it is smarter than owning a pool at home. I've done that. Did all the work to put the damn thing into my dad's yard, then was advised by the doctor to stay out of the water due to sinus problems.
14 posted on 03/14/2012 4:30:28 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: goseminoles

And what would happen if that employee lifting that disabled individual either had them fall out of the lift on to the concrete or fall in to the pool and drown?

If they want to swim that badly let them do themselves or a family member do it instead.


15 posted on 03/14/2012 4:36:47 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: wildbill

I hope the hotel owners with the closed pools put up signs mentioning how the federal legislators, judges, and trial lawyers, and disabled shakedown artists worked together to shut down the pools.


16 posted on 03/14/2012 4:40:59 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Exactly my point. But I guess an existing swim at own risk sign would suffice.


17 posted on 03/14/2012 4:43:56 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: goseminoles

I’d past those signs all over those lifts!


18 posted on 03/14/2012 4:52:34 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Boogieman

In my city, they busted up 65 year old inlaid mosaic on street curbs to put in handicap ramps on every sidewalk at every intersection. Except the sidewalks are absolute broken crap and they flood so they get little use of any kind, especially if it has rained that week.


19 posted on 03/14/2012 5:04:47 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: grundle

OK, how many congressmen/senators have quietly bought up pool lift franchise rights, to profit from this abomination?


20 posted on 03/14/2012 5:06:10 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: grundle
Well, my perspective might be a little different because of my MS...albeit because of my MS I can't stand the heat, so you probably wouldn't catch me outside at the pool. But if you read the whole article, the hotel industry is being a little dramatic about shutting down pools. The last paragraph clarifies the situation and it's not that dire (a portable lift costs a few thousand dollars) and they don't have to have one installed, just available...and/or have a plan for getting one.

Some of the ADA rules may seem "over the top" to some people with the accommodations for handicapped folks (and I'll admit, like any gov't bureaucracy they tend to get bogged down in minutia.) But it's usually "over the top" for those folks who have won the health lottery, so to speak, and still have their mobility. Lose your ability to get around without a wheelchair, and then talk to me about the inconvenience of curb cut construction...I guarantee you you'll be for them, not against them.

Hill says hotels can comply by doing what they can afford to do, even if it's installing a portable lift that's stored when not in use. If a hotel lacks the money to buy one, she says, it can create a plan that shows when it expects to get one.

21 posted on 03/14/2012 5:34:49 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: freedumb2003

>> Their agenda isn’t “equality” — it is revenge on the abled.

Qualify “they” instead of assailing the entire spectrum of crippled folk.


22 posted on 03/14/2012 5:41:44 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
They used to use those for witch trials...


23 posted on 03/14/2012 5:46:13 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: grundle

When the ADA act passed years ago I wrote in this forum that it opened up a cornucopia of perpetual legal suits for the law industry. It was written by lawyers for lawyers.

Now it seems that I was exactly on point.

With the government the camel’s nose does not have to even slip under the tent, he just charges right in.


24 posted on 03/14/2012 5:51:51 PM PDT by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: grundle

Don’t forget to thank GHW Bush for all this.

And while you’re at it, give a kind thought to Richard Nixon for the EPA and high gas prices.


25 posted on 03/14/2012 7:45:02 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: wildbill

If the handicapped require such devices to get in the pools, they are clearly limited in their ability to get OUT. Now pool may need 24x7 life guards capable of handling the handicapped.
Insurance risks and lawsuit risks may turn those pools into gardens.


26 posted on 03/14/2012 7:47:29 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: freedumb2003
Disabled people have gone from being sympathetic figures to crass shakedown artists. Their agenda isn’t “equality” — it is revenge on the abled. I 100% guarantee you that the last place I worked we were told the DAY AFTER the ADA passed that we were under NO circumstances to hire any disabled b/c they would be impossible to fire.

In reality it is one tenth of maybe .01% of the disabled making all the insane demands. The ADA should have only applied to Government facilities. Congress should not have had any authority beyond that on this matter. For example a person in a wheelchair should be able to conduct their needed business in the county court house etc.

My wife and I were in a Wally World about 8 years ago. There was a woman in a wheelchair pitching a royal screaming fit because the restroom was not accessible to her. The manager told her several times that the restrooms in the rear of the store were very accessible. She didn't want that rest room she wanted this one. My wife got mad real fast & told the lady to grow up and shut up. My wife is a quadriplegic.

In our area there were many very generous businesses who of their own free will made generous concessions to disabled persons. On was a theme park who allowed a person in a wheelchair and one other person with them in for about $5. It made sense as they were limited to the things they could enjoy. Along came a couple of lawsuit happy morons with slight disabilities who nitpicked the park over even the most trivial issues and the park then went to full price. I hope the ones who made the demands enjoy it. The ADA was Poppy's Disaster IIRC.

27 posted on 03/14/2012 8:08:13 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: goseminoles
They would have to hire someone to operate the lift.

In a health care facility that would require a licensed person such as a Physical Therapist to either operate or oversee operation of this.

28 posted on 03/14/2012 8:12:08 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Realman30
lets not be so hard on the people having to live with devastating disabilities...I'm sure most of them would not want access for others to be ruined because they themselves had no access....

OTOH....I can't go join Augusta for NO good reason other than I'm female...yet some people have super rights and can demand access to anything...pool..hot tub...exercize club...strip club..even if its near impossible to get them there...

imagine a very large obese person ...like over 400 pounds....demanding that carrosels make bigger horses...

my disclaimer is that I have a diabled dtr (mildly) and a cousin wheelchair bound with ALS....

29 posted on 03/14/2012 8:23:33 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Boogieman
these laws that get written in stone....like ADA and EPA.....why don't they just cancel them....

its not a constitutional right to have a clean river nor is it for somebody to be able to get into a hotel pool....

these laws get a foothold and its a lawyers dream...

30 posted on 03/14/2012 8:27:31 PM PDT by cherry
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To: dawn53
Some of the ADA rules may seem "over the top" to some people with the accommodations for handicapped folks (and I'll admit, like any gov't bureaucracy they tend to get bogged down in minutia.) But it's usually "over the top" for those folks who have won the health lottery, so to speak, and still have their mobility. Lose your ability to get around without a wheelchair, and then talk to me about the inconvenience of curb cut construction...I guarantee you you'll be for them, not against them.

A person needs to be able to access sidewalks etc and those are government issues in most places. Installing a pool lift is way over the top. Disability brings with it limitations as to what a person can REASONABLY do.

My wife is disabled from Transverse Myleitus 26 years ago. It hit her at C-5 and C-6 incomplete quad. It's been motorized wheelchairs ever since. I'm disabled 17 years now. Only with my disablility I can walk. But things like loud store P.A. systems can trigger seizures. So should I have the right to demand Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot, etc not make announcements and keep their stores quiet to accomidate my disability? I also walk with a cane now due to balance issues. I have enough common sense especially after four falls last year to not climb ladders anymore. Does that mean government should come clean the leaves off my roof now or force a landscaper to do so uncompensated?

ADA as applied to private businesses is an unfunded and Unconstitutional mandate. Some of its requirements can get quite expensive especially for Mom and Pop stores. We frequent a Mom and Pop gift shop on a regular basis. The owners go out of their way to bring my wife items she is looking for to give as gifts. Their store is in an old one story building with about four different floor levels on the ground floor. To adapt it and make it accessible would take most of their retail space. I do not think anyone especially government has the right to force a private business into upgrading to meet ADA.

. They are stuck in a quandry. If they want to expand in any way the codes will make them do such to make meaning the entire store ADA suitable. No part of government should have the authority to mandate this insanity into the private sector which is where the real issues and abuses are occuring.

31 posted on 03/14/2012 8:37:13 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: grundle

Pools will start closing the first time someone drowns; you can’t have a lifeguard at a hotel pool 24/7. Well, you could, but the free market tends not to do so.


32 posted on 03/14/2012 10:36:02 PM PDT by scott7278 ("...I have not changed Congress and how it operates the way I would have liked..." - BHO)
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To: cva66snipe

Do I think the ADA should meddle in the affairs of private business? Heck no, I’m not for gov’t meddling. But I look at the ADA the same way I look at the codes department in my city. Should the codes department be able to tell me how and what to do to my house? Heck no, but it’s the law and they do.

We put on an addition to our home...and in order to get the permits, the codes department said the entire house had to come up to Miami Dade hurricane standards (we live in Florida.) That involved replacing every door and window in our home (not just the addition) and probably costs us an extra 20K than we would have spent to just put on the addition. Did we comply, of course, because it’s the law, and whether I believe the gov’t should be able to tell me how or what to do to my property, I have to obey the law.

I feel the same way about the hotels and the ADA requirements. Unfortunately, the ADA is law (passed and signed by GWB in 1990.) And just like with codes in municipalities, the requirements of the ADA are ever evolving, and their “tentacles” are invading more of the lives of individuals and businesses. If the ADA says they need to do it, they have to bite the bullet and do it just like we had to bite the bullet and pay much more than we had anticipated for our construction (as I pointed out in my post, the cost is minimal for the hotels after all the requirements were explained.)

Is it right to have the gov’t involved with one’s private property or private business...not in my book, but it is what it is.


33 posted on 03/15/2012 7:53:54 AM PDT by dawn53
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To: stephenjohnbanker

They’ll always be “Out Of Service”. The obese folks in those scooters will have them busted in less than a month.


34 posted on 03/15/2012 10:57:45 AM PDT by poobear
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To: poobear

Exactly.

It isn’t your property anymore.....the govt. just lets you use it.....if you are a good liitle boy.


35 posted on 03/15/2012 11:07:44 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: dawn53
I basically agree.. But sheesh!? Can the administration via Kathleen Superfluous or Cass Darkenstein be allowed to make sweeping changes in law with no process, and We The People are dutifully obliged to obey?

Good grief..

Raymond

36 posted on 03/16/2012 11:34:00 AM PDT by Captain Ray
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To: Tailback

Ping


37 posted on 03/16/2012 11:36:36 AM PDT by Captain Ray
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To: tbw2
“If the handicapped require such devices to get in the pools, they are clearly limited in their ability to get OUT. Now pool may need 24x7 life guards capable of handling the handicapped.”

Exactly. Someone drowns because they can't get out. So essentially all pools will be required to hire expensive, highly trained people to watch things. Just to cover the one person per year who may show up.

38 posted on 03/16/2012 11:47:23 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: grundle
Obama doesn't want Americans to take vacations at hotels or resorts that have pools. (Almost all.)

Obama doesn't want people to use more than their ration's share of water. (His gauge.)

And Obama views swimming more as a white-man's sport and pastime--as blacks are less-likely to swim, and given which--look to the bizarre measures he took to hobble the tanning bed industry.

He wants to cripple communal and private commercial pools first, then he'll move on to private personal pools...for all the same reasons--as well as that--homeowners shouldn't have that much extra personal property, or self-sufficing water on hand, as is. (Especially so.)

39 posted on 03/16/2012 12:29:17 PM PDT by Miss Behave (All ways, always.)
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