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Why did Santorum's totals in MS and AL differ from the last polls which showed him in 3rd place?
March 14, 2012 | Ralph Mitchell

Posted on 03/14/2012 4:30:33 PM PDT by mitchell001

Did open voting which allows Democrats and Independents to vote in the GOP primary account for difference in Santorum's victory totals in MS and AL over the last polls which showed him in 3rd place? In other words, the MS and AL polls only polled likely GOP voters and the real voter population included Democrats and Independents. Also, did the Democrats sway the GOP primary results? Did Santorum robo call Democrats to vote for him?


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1 posted on 03/14/2012 4:30:36 PM PDT by mitchell001
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To: mitchell001

Perhaps. There is the phenomenon of actual people voting in what was a tight race anyway, and there being no requirement that people conform to the behavior predicted by polls.


2 posted on 03/14/2012 4:34:59 PM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: mitchell001

People often tell pollster one thing and then vote differently.


3 posted on 03/14/2012 4:35:59 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Williams

LATE DECIDERS went his way.


4 posted on 03/14/2012 4:36:11 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: mitchell001

If you cannot read the exit polls, there is no way to explain it to you.


5 posted on 03/14/2012 4:38:05 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: mitchell001
One of the polls I think it was for Alabama had Romney beating Santorum and Newt in third place so I guess the dems wanted to beat Romney by your logic.
6 posted on 03/14/2012 4:38:27 PM PDT by mimaw
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To: mitchell001

I think it was Romney dissing the AL forum. You could tell they felt insulted that he didn’t have the time for them. It wasn’t supposed to be televised without Romney but the people raised hell and c-span put it on. A lot of people saw Romney’s arrogance for the first time.


7 posted on 03/14/2012 4:38:39 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: mitchell001

I think it is a combination of crossovers, and people not making their decision until the very last moment.


8 posted on 03/14/2012 4:39:00 PM PDT by mountainbunny (Seamus Sez: "Good dogs don't let their masters vote for Mitt!")
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To: mitchell001

Maybe the great one said go vote.


9 posted on 03/14/2012 4:39:33 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: mitchell001

Polls are not infallible. Reagan was down double digits to Carter a few days before the Election.


10 posted on 03/14/2012 4:40:11 PM PDT by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy; Newt or Rick must win the nomination.)
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To: mitchell001

More likely the polls and even exit polls were simply incorrect and under representing Rick’s support. Santorum is made fun of in the media as a wacky, Catholic fundamentalist nut - some people may be responding to polls the way they think the caller wants rather than how they really intend to vote. And that can effect exit polls as well, just enough Santorum voters may have simply avoided the pollsters outside the polling places to skew the sample and yield distorted results. The difference between a win a loss in these states wasn’t that much and while polling is increasingly accurate, it is far from perfect. Look at the exit polling in 2004 as an example. Media thought Kerry was going to win all day because of the exit polls, and well, it didn’t quite work out that way.


11 posted on 03/14/2012 4:41:09 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: SandRat
People often tell pollster one thing and then vote differently.

Heh, I do that all the time. That's why Al Gore won in Florida, before the actual votes were counted and Gore lost.

12 posted on 03/14/2012 4:43:03 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: Kenny
I think it was Romney dissing the AL forum. You could tell they felt insulted that he didn’t have the time for them. It wasn’t supposed to be televised without Romney but the people raised hell and c-span put it on. A lot of people saw Romney’s arrogance for the first time.

Wow. You could be onto something there. Didn't think of that.
13 posted on 03/14/2012 4:43:33 PM PDT by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy; Newt or Rick must win the nomination.)
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To: org.whodat

It sounds, from his vanity post here, like Mitchell001 might be an upset Romney supporter.


14 posted on 03/14/2012 4:49:17 PM PDT by no dems (No RINO-Rom, no Kook-Daddy; Newt or Rick must win the nomination.)
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To: Kenny
Rick was outstanding in that forum.....passionate!....He gave a lot of information....some new stuff I hadn't heard--anecdotal stuff....

I believe the smart folks in Alabama took it in and voted accordingly.

15 posted on 03/14/2012 4:50:34 PM PDT by Guenevere (....Whom God calls,... He equips......Press On Santorum!)
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To: mitchell001
I think in truth, Newt won those 2 states.

CNN said there was a lot of misbehaving by the dems voting for

Rick in these 2 open primaries. Again. This has to be discussed ( Changes made for these open primaries to be closed) and you see the GOP lets it go.

16 posted on 03/14/2012 4:54:45 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Longbow1969
Santorum is made fun of in the media as a wacky, Catholic fundamentalist nut

When in reality he is just another megalomaniac lawyer nut case, same as FLIP, another megalomaniac lawyer nut case.

Don't vote for lawyers.

17 posted on 03/14/2012 4:55:02 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Rick Santorum voted against Right toWork)
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To: mitchell001

I could be wrong, but I do believe I heard something about Santorum robo calling Democrats, that was just last week on the news.


18 posted on 03/14/2012 4:55:16 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: Christie at the beach

Who did Newt win then? Santorum beat him among GOP and independents by pretty close to the final margin. I think the polls underpoll fly-over country, where Santorum’s strength was to be found.


19 posted on 03/14/2012 4:58:33 PM PDT by Ingtar
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To: annieokie

When I voted yesterday, around 2:00, there were the same number of democrats voting as republicans. I saw the sign in lists, even steven.


20 posted on 03/14/2012 4:58:52 PM PDT by imemyself
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To: mountainbunny

I go with the crossover voters also. Dems would never cross over for Newt since he is known far and wide for eating them for breakfast. But, Santorum? Nada. Safe vote for dems. Just enough numbers to make the difference was all that would be needed in such a close race.


21 posted on 03/14/2012 4:58:52 PM PDT by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. Newt knows where all the bodies are buried, because he buried them.)
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To: Williams

Hmmmm....maybe that’s a hint about November’s potential cross-overs.... Might out-number the dead voters....


22 posted on 03/14/2012 4:58:52 PM PDT by ptsal (E)
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To: annieokie

When I voted yesterday, around 2:00, there were the same number of democrats voting as republicans. I saw the sign in lists, even steven.


23 posted on 03/14/2012 4:58:56 PM PDT by imemyself
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To: mitchell001

Here is one real possibility;......

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2859054/posts


24 posted on 03/14/2012 5:00:25 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Guenevere

Santorum connects well with the voters and he does it off the cuff.


25 posted on 03/14/2012 5:01:33 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: RitaOK

BINGO!


26 posted on 03/14/2012 5:02:13 PM PDT by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

They were “Reagan Democrats”! Sheeeeesh. Drop it already :)


27 posted on 03/14/2012 5:07:12 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: org.whodat

Maybe the Sunday preachers put out a late call to vote Saintorum.


28 posted on 03/14/2012 5:07:39 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: mitchell001

Oh, wait! Someone call the WAHHHmbulance...


29 posted on 03/14/2012 5:07:49 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: mitchell001

Maybe the debate had something to do with it, the night before the election. The crowd was electrified, and Santorum did extremely well and got a huge response.

(I thought Gingrich was better, but he was more intellectual and not as God-centered.)


30 posted on 03/14/2012 5:11:28 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: mitchell001

"Thank you to everyone! As usual, we couldn't have done it without you and those liberal Democrats crossing over to vote for me because they think I'll go down faster than a 15-dollar whore in the general election. Once again, thank you all for making this victory possible!"


31 posted on 03/14/2012 5:13:13 PM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: mitchell001
Why did Santorum's totals in MS and AL differ from the last polls which showed him in 3rd place?

Who cares. Santorum beat everyone like a drum and is rolling on to the next states to keep slamming Milt.

Go Rick!

32 posted on 03/14/2012 5:14:54 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: imemyself
Open primaries are not right, it is not right for the rest of us who play fair and square and have closed primaries.

These open ones are made for stealing. I am so disgusted with the states that allow this, and the caucuses.

There is no way in hell that we get the Government we deserve.

33 posted on 03/14/2012 5:15:27 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: RitaOK
My daughter saw comments on facebook just a couple of minutes ago from people claiming they felt dirty for actually voting in the Republican primary.
34 posted on 03/14/2012 5:15:41 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romney - Santorum: Twin Sons of Different Mothers...)
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To: mitchell001

I thought this is the kind of thing you would expect to see posted on the Daily Kos or a Ron Paul forum. Has FR fallen that far? Why don’t you just post some Diebold conspiracy while you are at it?


35 posted on 03/14/2012 5:16:21 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: RitaOK

Yep, and Santorum called them out. Trust me, NEWT has a plan and I trust NEWT to know how to handle all this.


36 posted on 03/14/2012 5:18:30 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: gov_bean_ counter

You should have heard comments made by Democrats that voted for Rick in Michigan. They were interviewed by local tv here after they had voted.


37 posted on 03/14/2012 5:19:18 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: mitchell001

Catfish and cheesey grits, ya’ll.
A lot of people here were offended by this carpetbagger’s condescension.


38 posted on 03/14/2012 5:28:49 PM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: annieokie

Open primaries are not right,


Just curious. Do you believe in the rights of individual states/groups/etc to establish their own procedures or do you subscribe to some other type mandate. I also expect that other races were on both parties ballot for such things as Representatives, Senators and maybe some local offices.

I doubt we’ll ever have a perfect system . Cross over votes will help defeat Obama come Nov. JMO.


39 posted on 03/14/2012 5:29:41 PM PDT by deport (..............God Bless Texas............)
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To: mitchell001
>> Did open voting which allows Democrats and Independents to vote in the GOP primary account for difference in Santorum's victory totals in MS and AL.

No #ing way? These two states were open?

40 posted on 03/14/2012 5:31:23 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Newt/Sarah 2012)
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To: mitchell001

If you had half a brain you will remember Romney was predicted to win Mississippi.

Results are known to differ from the poling. They are not exacts, but they were close.


41 posted on 03/14/2012 5:35:45 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Christie at the beach

Don’t blame Newt’s losses on crossovers. He isn’t showing an ability to win anywhere.

24/7 excuses for Newt hotline. LOL


42 posted on 03/14/2012 5:39:26 PM PDT by dforest
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To: ptsal

If Dems want to vote for the GOP this time, more power to them.

Reagan sure didn’t complain.


43 posted on 03/14/2012 5:41:15 PM PDT by dforest
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To: mitchell001

The exit polls shown on Drudge as late as 6PM,and the Monday poll cited on FR showing RS losing BOTH states by about 10% were PHONY, trying to bump up the numbers for one of the others. Milt, what do YOU know about this? Bob


44 posted on 03/14/2012 5:46:05 PM PDT by alstewartfan ( 27 of 36 Romney judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: dforest

Drudge called Ms. (AND Al. earlier) for Romney before the polls closed for the 3rd place finisher in both states.


45 posted on 03/14/2012 5:51:01 PM PDT by alstewartfan ( 27 of 36 Romney judicial appointments were DEMOCRATS!!!!!)
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To: deport
Yes I do believe in those rights. What is done is effecting all of us and who is chosen as the best nominee, cross over voters certainly have not done me justice in what they are doing now. I don't cross over and tamper with theirs.

To say we will need them in NOV., those that are voting now are not going to vote for ours in the general, they are only playing havoc in this election.

We have a difference of opinion I can see, but there is no way I get the government I deserve, maybe you do.

46 posted on 03/14/2012 5:54:32 PM PDT by annieokie
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To: dforest

See that I am in your head...........


47 posted on 03/14/2012 6:04:21 PM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: alstewartfan

I kind of doubt many people that voted down there pay a lot of attention to Drudge before voting. People don’t here anymore.

In a way, Romney did win last night. Drudge may have been being a smartass. He does that at times.

You know, first the talk around here was that all the dem crossovers are going to vote for Mitt because he can’t win and they know it.

People need to make up their minds. I myself think any of them could beat that slimy slug in the WH if they run a good campaign.


48 posted on 03/14/2012 6:05:52 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Christie at the beach

LOL


49 posted on 03/14/2012 6:08:50 PM PDT by dforest
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To: annieokie

damn, I hope you’re right...this country is at stake..


50 posted on 03/14/2012 6:09:55 PM PDT by sternup
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