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Obama to make illegal teenagers working on family farms
American Horse Council ^ | 2/3/12

Posted on 03/15/2012 11:43:25 AM PDT by pabianice

I haven't seen this posted or discussed on FR before. I was alerted to it by Glenn Beck's morning program. According to Beck, the Government is implementing this without any public or Congressional discussion. "For the Children."

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Proposes Changes to Child Labor Rules on Farms

The Department of Labor (DOL) has proposed new child labor regulations applicable to agriculture. The DOL’s stated purpose for the rule making is “to improve the safety of minors under 18 working in both agricultural and nonagricultural jobs.” The proposed rule changes would place new limits on the work “hired farm workers” under 16 and 18 would be allowed to do and could impact horse farms, ranches and auctions that employ young people who work with horses. The proposed new rules would not apply to children working on farms and ranches owned or operated by their parents or change the statutory child labor parental exemption in agricultural employment contained in the Fair Labor Standard Act (FLSA).

Currently, young people under 16 are prohibited from working in most occupations. However, the FLSA, which established American child labor laws, includes an exemption for agriculture that allows children under 16 to work on farms and ranches. This is because of the unique family nature of agriculture and the important role young people often play on farms and ranches.

Proposed Rule

There are several proposed changes that could impact the horse community. The proposed new rules would:

Prohibit employed workers under 18 from working with horses in feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and auctions.

Exclude employed workers under 16 from working in a yard, pen or stall occupied by a non-castrated male horse “maintained for breeding purposes;” porcine, bovine, or bison older than six months; or engaging in or assisting in branding, breeding, dehorning, vaccinating, castrating livestock, or treating sick or injured animals including horses.

Prohibit workers under 16 from herding livestock from horseback or on a motorized vehicle or on foot in confined spaces such as pens or corrals. The DOL noted that this provision would apply only to the herding of livestock on horseback, not any other kind of work performed on horseback.

Currently, workers under 16 are prohibited from operating specific farm equipment, such as tractors with more than 20 PTO horsepower, corn pickers, cotton pickers, combines, hay mowers, forge harvesters, etc. with exemptions for workers with certificates from vocational programs such as 4-H. The proposed rule would bar workers under 16 from operating any tractors or essentially any equipment not hand-powered including equipment such as lawn mowers and milking machines. It would also sharply limit the exemptions to such rules for workers with training certificates or in vocational programs, such as 4-H.

The proposed rules apply only to hired, paid young workers and retain the parental exemption that exempts children working on farms and ranches owned or operated by their parents. However, there appears to be a question regarding whether the rule as proposed maintains the “parental exemption” for children working on farms and ranches owned as partnerships, even with other family members, such as grandparents, or bothers and sisters, or operated as LLCs.

Status

In December 2012 the AHC submitted comments in opposition to the proposed child labor regulations. The comment period for this rule is now closed. The DOL is currently reviewing all submitted comments and is expected to issue a final rule sometime before this summer.

AHC Position

The AHC opposes this rule as currently written.

The AHC appreciates the stated goal of the DOL to improve safety for young Americans working in agriculture. However, the AHC wants to be sure that any final rules are not unnecessarily restrictive and do not bar young people from working in agriculture with horses, especially on the “family farm,” at a time when many young people are leaving agriculture. The final rules must consider the reality and traditions of agriculture, the unique roll that young people play on family-owned farms and ranches, and the reality that many of these farms and ranches are owned by multiple generations or operated as LLCs.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bhofascism; democrats; nannystate; obama
Same crap. Washington tells you and your kids where and how you can work.
1 posted on 03/15/2012 11:43:29 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice

Government just passing laws against citizens.

Wonder when he will outlaw hunting the Kings deer.


2 posted on 03/15/2012 11:51:17 AM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: pabianice

Mangled Headline Syntax alert. I thought it was about Mexicans at first.


3 posted on 03/15/2012 11:51:33 AM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: pabianice

I saw a “news story” about how children injured on farms wrack up about 1.4 billion dollars in medical care costs per year. When I saw that story, I thought: “Hmmm, strange. I bet Obama is trying to regulate, tax, or destroy the rural tradition of kids working farms.” I grew up near many farms. picked berries on a berry farm, most of my school mates milked before and after school, etc.

This administration hates the military and rural Americans.


4 posted on 03/15/2012 11:52:23 AM PDT by baileybat
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To: Disambiguator

Technically, it’s not about Mexicans, but the end result will be more job opportunities for illegal aliens as farmers find that their family members are not allowed to do the work.


5 posted on 03/15/2012 11:55:33 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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To: pabianice

Can’t work on a farm but they can be gang bangers, shoot people and sell dope as young as nine. All our kids are being pampered to death by society and government. Asinine.


6 posted on 03/15/2012 11:55:53 AM PDT by JimSEA
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To: pabianice
Ruthless war on the kulaks [independent farmers]! Death to them! Hatred and contempt for the parties which defend them-the Right Socialist-Revolutionaries, the Mensheviks, and today's Left Socialist-Revolutionaries! The workers must crush the revolts of the kulaks with an iron hand, the kulaks who are forming an alliance with the foreign capitalists against the working people of their own country. -- VI Lenin
7 posted on 03/15/2012 11:55:53 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: pabianice

Next up: Allowing SEIU to organize “chore workers”


8 posted on 03/15/2012 11:58:48 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: pabianice

That headline is a contorted as a boa constrictor in a cage full of rats................


9 posted on 03/15/2012 11:59:08 AM PDT by Red Badger (If the Government can make you buy health insurance, they can make you buy a Volt................)
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To: ClearCase_guy

I get the feeling this will be widely ignored.


10 posted on 03/15/2012 12:01:19 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: pabianice

Where I grew up you could make pretty good money during summer vacation bailing hay. It was hard work. We loved it.


11 posted on 03/15/2012 12:02:35 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: pabianice
Well, that covers just about every summer time and after school job for kids in rural America.

I worked on farms as a kid in upstate NY and the only requirement was that I be fourteen years of age but if it was my own family's farms there was no age limit, the only requirement was to finish my chores before supper. At sixteen there was another requirement, that I had to file a W-4 and pay taxes.
12 posted on 03/15/2012 12:02:57 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: pabianice

So, who said it had to be called “working.” Why not call it volunteering or doing it as a hobby, or form new kinds of scouting organizations, i.e. the “Horse Scouts.” There’s always a way to get around something so obviously stupid as this!


13 posted on 03/15/2012 12:05:47 PM PDT by Ranger Warrior ("To stand in silence when they should be protesting makes cowards out of men." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: pabianice

There are already some pretty burdensome restrictions on it already.


14 posted on 03/15/2012 12:05:57 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: GSWarrior

During haying, we were paid $2/hour and fed lunch by the farmer. The minimum wage at that time was $1.15 if working in gas station or super market.


15 posted on 03/15/2012 12:07:45 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul Congress!)
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To: pabianice
Yes... we must avoid putting our young people to work on family farms. No more character-building labor. No learning agricultural skills. No driving farm implements... no hauling hay...

Better they turn out like the pansy-a$$ed little worm seen in the background:


16 posted on 03/15/2012 12:09:23 PM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: Disambiguator
Mangled Headline Syntax alert. I thought it was about Mexicans at first.

So did I. I think the person who wrote that sentance is functionally illiterate.

17 posted on 03/15/2012 12:12:45 PM PDT by Mark17 (California, where English is a foreign language)
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To: pabianice

My congressman (Tim Walberg) has made OSHA one of his primary targets. He says they’ve become nothing more than another fine collection agency. Every time a company manages to achieve compliance with OSHA rules, OSHA comes up with another set of rules.


18 posted on 03/15/2012 12:15:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pabianice

Some BS going on here, the headline says family farms, as in kids working on their parents property, but the articles says it applies to hired help.? Makes no difference, you can run an ad asking for farm workers, no one speaking english will show up.


19 posted on 03/15/2012 12:18:41 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: pabianice
Keerist.

Had this law been in effect when I was a youngster, I would have gone to school in rags as my new school clothes came from those earnings not to mention the money that went into the family coffers as I contributed toward my room and board when I had an income from this type of work.

I wouldn't have been able to take my girlfriend (now, my wife of almost 50 years) to the prom...I could have ended up with a different wife...I might have ended up with a grandson with a dog collar.

16 are prohibited from operating specific farm equipment, such as tractors with more than 20 PTO horsepower...

Someone obviously has no clue about the equipment required to efficiently work the land...20 HP PTO's are in the compact tractor category...

20 posted on 03/15/2012 12:22:14 PM PDT by and so? (If it angers you, a sarcasm or irony tag after everything I post should be assumed)
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To: BIGLOOK
I made $5 an hour and got lunch for working on the farm when minimum wage was $3.35 an hour. If it was particularly hot, the farmer paid us $7 an hour. Its was good money under the table in 1984. Back then, the farmer's pre teen sons were driving the tractors while we baled hay or picked rocks. They were too young for the physical labor but they were already safe machinery operators.

"It is not my intention to do away with government," President Reagan once said. "It is rather, to make it work-work with us, not over us; to stand by our side, not ride on our back. Government can and must provide opportunity, not smother it; foster productivity, not stifle it."

More bad news for U.S. workers, businesses from OSHA
21 posted on 03/15/2012 12:23:27 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pabianice

Can they still do chores or do we need to filll out IRS forms and pay taxes on their “living wage” allowance now?


22 posted on 03/15/2012 12:25:20 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: GeronL

“Family” and “Farm” are two words that leftists despise.

Both make you less dependent on the collective.


23 posted on 03/15/2012 12:28:38 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: BIGLOOK
During haying, we were paid $2/hour and fed lunch by the farmer. The minimum wage at that time was $1.15 if working in gas station or super market.

I got a penny a bale (and lunch)...'course, I might be older than you, but it was reasonable at the time...1000 bales a day was the expected minimum...

24 posted on 03/15/2012 12:29:59 PM PDT by and so? (If it angers you, a sarcasm or irony tag after everything I post should be assumed)
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To: MrB

Farming and manufacturing are being mugged by just about every federal agency there is at the same time.


25 posted on 03/15/2012 12:40:11 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: pabianice
I was operating the '73 Ford 2000 at age 13 raking hay and pulling the hay wagon. Hated it back then with a passion when all my friends were out playing B ball and meeting girls and swimming at the park.

Now I would pay to be able to do drive that tractor again.

26 posted on 03/15/2012 12:43:11 PM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Disambiguator
I get the feeling this will be widely ignored.

Until the DOL starts sending out inspectors to audit farms. In retail 20 years ago the fine was $100 per occurrence, each day counted as a separate occurrence. Don't know what the fine is now. You can run up a $100,000 fine right quick at that rate. You don't keep records? Congratulations, you just donated your farm to the federal government.

This is all bs, but that doesn't mean it won't be enforced. This must be fought NOW.

27 posted on 03/15/2012 12:50:40 PM PDT by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: pabianice

I don’t understand the title you posted. Can you get the Mod to fix it so it makes sense?


28 posted on 03/15/2012 12:51:18 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: Mark17
Mangled Headline Syntax alert. I thought it was about Mexicans at first.

So did I. I think the person who wrote that sentance
(sic) is functionally illiterate.

As are most recent graduates of Journalism school.

29 posted on 03/15/2012 12:54:18 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: samtheman

Your Lenin quotation is precisely apt!

Independent farmers are the blood enemy of every socialist regime of the last 100 years.

The State prefers to create its own classes of aspiring courtiers and truckling dependents. Farmers might have sh*t on their shoes.


30 posted on 03/15/2012 12:57:04 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: pabianice

Some of us lobbied, called, and wrote about this extensively last fall. Comments to the DOL closed December 1 so this article is more than a day late and a dollar short.

This does not just apply to tomato farms that might hire migrant workers. The horse industry in the US is a multi-billion-dollar economic engine. Many horse farms and riding stables are operated at on a very narrow margin and much of the labor of handling horses comes from teenage kids who work after school and full time during the summer. The young women are quite knowledgeable and are compensated with money and sometimes with riding privileges. It would be difficult or impossible to hire adults to do this work, with all the expense that entails—social security withholding, unemployment comp, healthcare benefits, mandated breaks and lunchtimes, etc. Most farms and stables don’t have the budget and don’t want to cope with adult personnel issues. With teenagers, they have truly willing workers who are thrilled to be out there grooming the horses or cleaning stalls.

The law would also prevent kids under 18 from working on their grandparents’ farms. Many family farms are owned by a trust rather than directly by parents, so the kids couldn’t even help on a farm that has been in the family for a century. They won’t be allowed to touch milk produced by family cows—can you imagine the stupidity?

And if the kids aren’t allowed to do this work, how will they acquire the skills to become farmers themselves someday? How would they even have the interest?

If anybody thinks this will be widely ignored, let me tell you how closely-regulated today’s farm is. There are state, local, and federal inspectors and agencies harassing the farmer or horseman all the time. Half of a farmer’s time is devoted to compliance issues now. Of course!—because farmers are businesspeople and the government constantly harasses small business owners with hyper-regulation.


31 posted on 03/15/2012 1:04:22 PM PDT by ottbmare (The OTTB Mare)
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To: headsonpikes
Independent farmers are the blood enemy of every socialist regime of the last 100 years.
And in the early 30's Stalin murdered 7 million of them -- yes, 7 million... that's 7,000,000 -- in the Ukraine.

And the New York Times covered that massacre up.

And got a Pulitzer Prize for its efforts.

32 posted on 03/15/2012 1:18:38 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: pabianice

My 10th grade civics teacher maintained that child labor laws were nothing more than the work of the unions to keep competition for jobs at bay.


33 posted on 03/15/2012 2:21:55 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: JimSEA
Can’t work on a farm but they can be gang bangers, shoot people and sell dope as young as nine. All our kids are being pampered to death by society and government. Asinine.

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And as fast and you can say 'Sandra Fluke', any teenager, worth her salt, can obtain an abortion, no question asked.

34 posted on 03/15/2012 2:32:01 PM PDT by Realman30 ("I've already made a donation to Haiti. It's called taxes". . . . El Rushbo.)
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