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Israel plans for second F-35 squadron
UPI ^ | 2/27/2012 | UPI

Posted on 03/16/2012 12:54:57 AM PDT by U-238

Despite deepening defense budget cuts, the Israeli air force is reported to be moving toward ordering a second squadron of 20 F-35 stealth fighters from Lockheed Martin, possibly as early as this year.

The first 20 Joint Strike Fighters were ordered in October 2010 at a cost of $2.75 billion.

Israel ultimately wants to acquire 75 F-35s, to replace Lockheed Martin's F-16I and Boeing's F-15I to form the spearhead of its strategic air power, particularly in terms of long-range strikes against Iran.

But the cost in the current budgetary climate is likely to be prohibitive, particularly as Israel's military is focused on developing a range of anti-missile defense systems to confront an anticipated massive bombardment that could go on for weeks with potentially catastrophic results.

"According to initial plans, the (air force) would place the order for the second squadron in late 2012-early 2013 and begin receiving the planes in 2020," The Jerusalem Post reported.

"It is possible, however, that the United States would attach the new squadron to the one ordered in 2010 and expedite the delivery if the order is placed soon."

Israeli pilots are to begin training on the F-35 in the United States in 2016, with the first of the fifth-generation fighters scheduled to arrive in Israel in early 2017.

(Excerpt) Read more at upi.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; f35; idf; israel; israeliairforce

1 posted on 03/16/2012 12:54:59 AM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238

2020? It’ll be a very mature weapon system by then. I can’t believe LockMart can’t pump them out faster than that.


2 posted on 03/16/2012 2:24:39 AM PDT by hattend (Jesus wants me to make churches pay for abortions. - Barack Obama)
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To: U-238

First delivery in 2017? If Israel doesn’t take out Iran and the US doesn’t change its leadership, there won’t be an Israel in 2017 IMO.


3 posted on 03/16/2012 4:09:03 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: hattend

Pretty late for an aircraft that is already obsolete.


4 posted on 03/16/2012 4:28:41 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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5 posted on 03/16/2012 5:10:13 AM PDT by SJackson (The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
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To: hattend
2020 (8 years from now) is about when all of the software code will be ready.

The production version of the F-22 first flew in 1997, first entered service in 2005, and today in 2012 still doesn't have all the software required to take full advantage of it's ground attack capbilities.

The F-35 isn't even in service yet, so 2020 is a reasonable time frame.

6 posted on 03/16/2012 6:20:12 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: hattend
The Pentagon has been preventing Lockheed from making multiple assembly lines ... to deliberately stretch out the production process. They did the same thing to F-22 ...which essentially resulted in a doubling of its price and all the exaggerated expenses attributed to the plane.

They appear to be doing the same thing again.

7 posted on 03/16/2012 10:04:47 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Yo-Yo

It can fly with the 6 million lines of code already


8 posted on 03/16/2012 6:39:11 PM PDT by U-238
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To: Sequoyah101

I do not think the airplane is obsolete.


9 posted on 03/16/2012 6:40:22 PM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238

Some other people think like that also. If it isn’t obsolete already it will be by 2030. I think it is nothing but a crate full of compromises with mediocre range and several other deficiencies 15 years in the making and way more expensive than it should be. Another F-111 with one engine.

The look around sensors and linking between other aircraft is OK but doesn’t require an F-35 for all that.

That’s what it takes to make a horse race. Of course war is no horse race.


10 posted on 03/16/2012 8:17:35 PM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Half the people are below average.)
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To: Sequoyah101

You are forgetting that the plane’s avionics are constatly being upgraded.


11 posted on 03/16/2012 8:20:09 PM PDT by U-238
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To: Sequoyah101
The Israelis as part of the deal are adding their own modifications to the planes.
12 posted on 03/16/2012 8:21:34 PM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238
It can fly with the 6 million lines of code already

There is just a tiny bit of difference between flying and fighting, unless you think we're just out to win airshows.

13 posted on 03/17/2012 6:13:08 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Yo-Yo

This is from DoD Buzz

http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/06/21/pas11-the-f-35-software-situation/


14 posted on 03/17/2012 12:52:28 PM PDT by U-238
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To: Yo-Yo

But you are correct: Later on in the article it was mentioned:

The concerns are, there is a lot of software still to go – still code to build, still weapons to certify,” Burbage said

Read more: http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/06/21/pas11-the-f-35-software-situation/#ixzz1pPAur42R
DoDBuzz.com


15 posted on 03/17/2012 12:55:05 PM PDT by U-238
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