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Former Rutgers student convicted in webcam case
AP ^ | 3/16/12

Posted on 03/16/2012 9:10:02 AM PDT by Williams

NEW BRUNSWICK, N.J. (AP) — A former Rutgers University student accused of using a webcam to spy on his gay roommate's love life was convicted of all counts Friday in a case that exploded into the headlines when the victim of the snooping committed suicide by throwing himself off a bridge.

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KEYWORDS: gay; homophiles; homosexualagenda; rutgers; spying; webcam
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To: dead
Suppose a young adult calls another overweight young adult a "fat bastard" and posts pictures of him with his shirt off on the internet. Then, the next day, the overweight young adult jumps off a bridge. Should the rude name caller go to prison for 10 years? Is he responsible for the other adult's death? For the ensuing tsunami?

The penalty depends upon the state you live in. However, taking pictures of one with their shirt off in public (where there is no expectation of privacy) is a far cry of what happened here. There is now, and always has been an expectation of privacy in your bedroom. But, to address the specifics - I would encourage you to see the laws in your particular state.

http://www.cyberbullying.us/Bullying_and_Cyberbullying_Laws.pdf

51 posted on 03/16/2012 10:20:33 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar
I'm not saying that I wouldn't put a beatin on someone like this, I would. My problem is with the law, it is unequal treatment. This type of thing occurs in divorce sagas and no one gets 10 years in the cooler for it.

They shared a room - how much privacy could either expect/demand? He could have invited everyone over to watch them live.

52 posted on 03/16/2012 10:27:56 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Williams

PC nonsense. The article says he could be deported to India. If he has any sense, he will head that way without waiting to be deported.


53 posted on 03/16/2012 10:29:33 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Hodar

Your bedroom is not a shared dorm room. Both occupants of that dorm room had a right to expect that it would not be used as a private bedroom - it was not. Students should rent a hotel room for sexual activity.

The taping should not have been shared with his friends - but he had every right to protect his space and his stuff - if that was the motivation for leaving his computer cam on. He was immature and stupid, but not malicious.


54 posted on 03/16/2012 10:31:20 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to bring America back from the brink.)
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To: sodpoodle

If that was his motivation, why did he dare other students to log onto a chat session and watch Clementi and the other man?


55 posted on 03/16/2012 10:34:39 AM PDT by Coronal
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To: Williams

I remember some freepers calling for 20 years for Lori Drew when she bullied a teenage girl to the point of suicide. I thought that was extreme, and I think 10 years in this case is extreme, but I do think there should be serious consequences for bullying someone to death. I wonder how many freepers defending this bully also defended Lori Drew. Just curious.


56 posted on 03/16/2012 10:34:56 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: Jonty30

3 years (followed by deportation) might be more appropriate. I’m not sure if he is actually facing the 10 years, as he was not convicted on the bias crime charge.

I’m sure the fact that one of the victims killed himself will bring a longer sentence, but I’m not sure that is fair. I think one should be punished based upon the severity of their crime, not how well or poorly their victims handled it.


57 posted on 03/16/2012 10:42:30 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (.)
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To: cradle of freedom

Well, the mother is white and ugly - maybe that is a protected class.


58 posted on 03/16/2012 10:44:34 AM PDT by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Congress touched me inappropriately, they should be put on administrative leave immediately)
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To: Hodar
You come in here to FR and plead ignorance. Of course you'd leave your webcam on while you were away ~ else what would you log into while out on campus if you were worried about someone trying to steal your computer?

There was a claim by the prosecutor that Ravi designed and laid out this system for the purpose of spying on his roommate. At the same time he put together EXACTLY the system the university recommended (and described).

His intent was to protect his stuff.

Back to the issue of pleading ignorance about computer systems while posting on FR, may I encourage you to READ the full piece of the university, and look up the specifications on that card, and also look for the university's discussion of the capabilities of their campus wide internet capabilities.

It's full service ~ pictures, voice, funny noises, text ~ whatever you want. Turn on, tune in, and drop out. Everything is there and you need neither intent nor interest.

59 posted on 03/16/2012 10:46:08 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Hodar

There was, as I understand it, NO RECORDING MADE, so if you didn’t record something ............... well, it’s just unreasonable to prosecute a guy for recording when he didn’t.


60 posted on 03/16/2012 10:47:43 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
From the article:

Prosecutors said Ravi set up a webcam in his dorm room in September 2010 and captured roommate Tyler Clementi kissing another man, then tweeted about it and excitedly tried to catch Clementi in the act again two days later. A half-dozen students were believed to have seen the live video of the kissing.

61 posted on 03/16/2012 10:52:37 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar
That's not what happened. Without a recording it was merely an invitation to the next time Clementi was in there with the older male ~ which meant Clementi himself scheduled these things and told Ravi about them.
62 posted on 03/16/2012 10:55:33 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Hodar

In one article I read, one of the sex partners of the gay guy said he saw the camera and felt weird about it....especially, when he was leaving the dorm afterwards, he felt people were staring at him or something like that.


63 posted on 03/16/2012 10:57:59 AM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: Jenny217

AT Rutgers there are NO acceptable alternatives to booting out your oversexed or homosexual roommate ~ or even leaving there yourself. They have their ways of stigmatizing people who do that.


64 posted on 03/16/2012 10:59:41 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Hodar
Any law that locks you up because somebody killed themselves is an asinine law.

As far as privacy laws go, this kid broke them and should face the punishment. But his punishment shouldn't be more punative because his victim was gay or killed himself.

The privacy laws should be applied equally, independent of the victim's sexuality or the victim's actions against himself.

65 posted on 03/16/2012 11:06:40 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Hodar

It was Ravi’s room. He had every expectation that visitors would keep their business in their britches.


66 posted on 03/16/2012 11:06:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Hodar

You obviously didn’t follow the trial. The prosecutor didn’t come up with a recording, nor did anyone else. That “recording” business is whole external to this trial. However, Ravi does have a good case for several charges to be made against the hitherto un-named “older male” ~ since, as it turns out Ravi can say “no, I never gave you permission to take off your clothing in my room” ~ yet, by your own admission you did. Without a recording attesting to Clementi approving of that behavior, I can see Ravi’s lawyer going after that low hanging fruit.


67 posted on 03/16/2012 11:10:12 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Jrabbit
In one article I read, one of the sex partners of the gay guy said he saw the camera and felt weird about it....especially, when he was leaving the dorm afterwards, he felt people were staring at him or something like that.

Who was that? Barney Frank?

68 posted on 03/16/2012 11:11:35 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Hodar
Again, that com card Ravi installed on his computer assumes there's a webcam somewhere near.

If you installed a webcam on your bedroom computer and began pushing pictures of you and anyone having sex let me assure you NO ONE WOULD WATCH.

69 posted on 03/16/2012 11:12:22 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: NativeSon
He even had a key to the door.

We had these guys decades back in dormitories where I lived. There was this one guy who treated his roommate, another homosexual, like a slave, and would sometimes put a spiked dog collar on the guy and they'd go to parties.

They did not like guys walking down the halls naked to the shower room.

You just never know what is going to get someone's goat.

Best bet for any straight student who shows up and finds out his roommate is gay is LEAVE ~ go turn in the key. Get outta' there. Check in a motel. A week later complain the key didn't work and you want a single room at the double, triple or six person price!

70 posted on 03/16/2012 11:16:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Hodar

That’s NOT a recording. That’s Live TV ~ yes, it still exists.


71 posted on 03/16/2012 11:19:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
I avoided the entire roommate and dorm situation; I was on my own before college and wasn't about to start dealing with everyone's issues. Things happened and everyone got over it - including someone pulling a “Rodeo!”
72 posted on 03/16/2012 11:40:31 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: Coronal

When he captured the ‘shocking’ activity on tape - he probably snapped and wanted to show his friends how his dorm room was being used.

JMHO - he was 18 years’ old and didn’t think of the consequences. Had it been a guy and a gal - he probably would have made the same dumb decision.


73 posted on 03/16/2012 11:42:44 AM PDT by sodpoodle ( Newt - God has tested him for a reason...... to bring America back from the brink.)
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To: Hodar

I was responding to a post saying this was broadcast on the web, whereas it was not. I agree he is guilty of invasion of privacy. He may even be guilty under the “bias intimidation” law. I don’t agree with the law. If intimidation is a crime don’t limit it to any select groups.


74 posted on 03/16/2012 11:49:28 AM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Williams

And the really f**ked-up thing is that murderers and rapists will serve 4 years while this kid will be in for 10.


75 posted on 03/16/2012 3:58:40 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

You got that right! The amusing thing about this so called hate crime. Is perverted homosexuals out homosexuals everyday. And it is not a hate crime. These outing are done under the guise of revenge or political gain. And it is ok with the perverted homosexual community. Sick perverted logic by perverts!


76 posted on 03/16/2012 7:15:48 PM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: Albion Wilde

Gay is not normal. Gay is disgusting and perverse. This Indian-American guy had a gay roommate imposed on him and he decided to goof on him using common electronics for this age group. If the gay kid had not offed himself we never would have heard of this “invasion of privacy”. If you live in a college dorm your privacy is invaded all the time. Especially when you have boys and co-eds living in the same dorms

If gay is so wonderful then why did this kid kill himself over the video....which I agree is humiliating. But I’m sure colleges have all kinds of local heterosexual videos making the rounds


77 posted on 03/16/2012 10:34:57 PM PDT by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: dennisw

His defense team failed utterly.


78 posted on 03/17/2012 10:12:24 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The facts of life are Tory." -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: dennisw

In fact, all lawyers up against a case of political correctness ought to come here to FR for “moot court” before they step into the trial unarmed with the proper attitudes and research.


79 posted on 03/17/2012 10:13:56 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The facts of life are Tory." -- Margaret Thatcher)
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To: DMG2FUN

The kid who killed himself posted videos of himself having sex with other men,didn’t he?


80 posted on 03/17/2012 7:57:57 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: Albion Wilde

“His defense team failed utterly”

I agree. The jury was brainwashed to give him 10 years due to the gay factor. Can you imagine how disgusting and revolting to have a roommate bringing over a 32 year old man to have sex with? In the room you have to live and study in? Political correctness ruined this Indian guy’s life. He could not request a non-gay roommate. He was stuck with this fragile bridge jumping dufus ........ who made part of his college agenda to “explore his gayness”


81 posted on 03/18/2012 4:30:58 AM PDT by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

If this perverted homosexual want privacy. He should have got a room just for him.


82 posted on 03/18/2012 5:28:25 AM PDT by DMG2FUN
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To: dennisw

At least he has an alternative country to go home to. Where can we go? My roots go back here to before the American Revolution.


83 posted on 03/18/2012 1:35:39 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The facts of life are Tory." -- Margaret Thatcher)
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