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Has Jim Crow Moved To Silicon Valley? Racism In The Tech World (Barf Alert)
NewsOne ^ | March 13, 2012 | Terell Jermaine Starr

Posted on 03/16/2012 11:50:05 AM PDT by lbryce

Racial segregation is no longer staring us down on the streets of Birmingham and Jackson. But has it positioned itself in a most unlikely locale: Silicon Valley.


Related:We Must Draw More Blacks to Tech

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: apple; foxconn; ignorant; macintosh; mikedaisey; racist; wtf
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This is probably the most idiotic, moronic, ignorant claim of racism I have ever been subjected to. To blame Silicon Valley for the lack of black employees is to blame the NBA for the lack of white players. They even let on to what the problem may be in the dearth of black employees represented within Silicon Valley by alluding to the related story posted at the original link about the need to draw more blacks to tech in order to get more of them competent enough to be hired.
1 posted on 03/16/2012 11:50:17 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce

Minorities are still largely absent from opinion pages, senior roles and staff jobs in the MSM also.

Maybe the media should look at the tree in their eye before judging the speck in other industries eyes.


2 posted on 03/16/2012 11:56:15 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: lbryce

I am going to vomit.
Where was the vomit alert.


3 posted on 03/16/2012 11:57:58 AM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: lbryce

I was just thinking about this the other day. I’ve never met a black programmer/coder/systems admin or similar.


4 posted on 03/16/2012 12:01:32 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: lbryce
Check the racial makeup of the engineering schools first, then see who goes to silicon valley.

-PJ

5 posted on 03/16/2012 12:02:41 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: lbryce

What about the lack of White NBA basketball players?


6 posted on 03/16/2012 12:02:56 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: Persevero

HR will go out of their way to make sure a black applicant for a programming position gets hired.


7 posted on 03/16/2012 12:04:01 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: lbryce
“Go into any inner-city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can’t teach kids to learn. They know that parents have to parent, that children can’t achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white.” —Barack Obama, Keynote Address, Democratic National Convention, 2004

http://educationnext.org/actingwhite/

8 posted on 03/16/2012 12:04:12 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: lbryce
Silicon Valley has a very low unemployment rate this is no secret.

So if some one wants a job in the computer technical field it is obvious that that is one place to go with a better than average chance of landing a job for some one with the skills.

The obvious question should not be are the firms in question racist it should be why are blacks not seeking jobs in the Technical fields? Perhaps they simply do not want that kind of job.

I know a black that got a degree in computer engineering who eventually became a reactor operator for an electric utility. He decided he did not want to do the computer thing.

9 posted on 03/16/2012 12:04:22 PM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: dfwgator

See comment #1


10 posted on 03/16/2012 12:04:57 PM PDT by lbryce (BHO:The bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: lbryce
Check to see what the engineering classes look like: Indians, East Asians, whites and maybe a few Arabs thown in. I can think of one black student who was in many of my classes and he sounded Caribbean.

Just about every university would welcome an even half-qualified black student. In fact, as Dr. Sowell pointed out, they often accept black students who were not qualified for the college who then fail instead of properly matching their skills with their universities (don't take someone who would be in the middle of his class at a decent state university and expect him to prosper at MIT or Harvard).

11 posted on 03/16/2012 12:05:47 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: dfwgator

I was thinking, if I had an opportunity to mentor a black youth, I’d recommend computer science! The world would be your oyster, it seems to me.

My son has a CS major at this point, poor guy is white though, so, I guess the oyster won’t be his.


12 posted on 03/16/2012 12:05:58 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: lbryce
Start-up companies in competitive environments cerainly need to hire the best people they can find. There is no reason why such people cannot be black. The Start-up will not care -- if you're good, they will snap you up.

Larger companies? Sure, they want quality too, but they also have on eye on statistics. In my experience, large companies are desperately hungry to hire minority engineers. You do not need to be good. They will hire you. Minority female?? My God! Offers will flood your inbox!

Racism? In the tech world? Only really stupid people think that such a thing exists.

13 posted on 03/16/2012 12:06:07 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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To: lbryce

Apple alone is now worth $500 billion

there’s a lot of money there to pay for reparations!


14 posted on 03/16/2012 12:07:18 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: Persevero

There were no blacks - none - in my upper level Computer Science and Math classes.

I met two black programmers in my years of working in the industry.

Why don’t black people take math and programming classes? Obama’s half-brother has a PHD in physics, but he’s the exception that proves the rule.


15 posted on 03/16/2012 12:07:52 PM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Uh, you’re playing into their hands taking their claim as true.

There is a HUGE cohort of dark-skinned industry leaders in Silicon Valley. They’re called Indians.

How Indians Conquered Silicon Valley
Release Date:
01/17/2012

Here’s an extract from the piece

The proportion of Indian-founded startups in Silicon Valley startups had increased from 7% to 15.5%, even though Indians make up just 6% of the Valley’s working population.

Indian immigrants were standing shoulder-to-shoulder with the world’s most innovative tech workers, and were matching them in entrepreneurship The Indian networking organizations learned the rules of engagement of Silicon Valley and mastered these. For a while, these were the most vibrant and active professional associations in the region.

Why were Indians so successful?

The first few who cracked the glass ceiling had open discussions about the hurdles they had faced.

They agreed that the key to uplifting their community, and fostering more entrepreneurship in general, was to teach and mentor the next generation of entrepreneurs.

They formed networking organizations to teach others about starting businesses, and to bring people together.

These organizations helped to mobilize the information, knowhow, skill, and capital needed to start technology companies. Even the newer associations had several hundred members each, and the more established associations had more than a thousand members.

The first generation of successful entrepreneurs—people like Sun Microsystems co-founder Vinod Khosla—served as visible, vocal, role models and mentors. They also provided seed funding to members of their community.


16 posted on 03/16/2012 12:08:59 PM PDT by Flash Bazbeaux
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To: lbryce
lbryce, I agree with you. I work in Silicon Valley and the blacks I know in the tech world all have a technical or finance degree, like the rest of us.

I'm in a small start-up and the four founders are; one - a Chinese-American with a dual PhD from Northwestern and Stanford, two - an Indian with a Stanford PhD in Digital Signal Processors and the two of us have either CS or EE degrees.

This is not an area for social engineering. With us, results count. You not give a mulligan. We tried the social thing in the 80’s and that ended up sending almost all of our semiconductor EDA and process technology to Japan, Taiwan and China. Politicans gave our technology away in exchange for campaign contributions.

Semper Fi

17 posted on 03/16/2012 12:11:37 PM PDT by MASS-2 FAC (Get premium health care - run for congress)
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-cough-
I suppose the High-Tech industry's requirements of producing results is a bit 'mean-spirited'.
One might be able to play the quota game in government and academia - but when you have to execute and produce results - or go extinct, you get people who will execute and produce results.
Interesting how the graphs used a sleight of hand to shift the emphasis from 'whites' to 'others', as Silicon Valley will have a very large percentage (disproportionate to the general population) of people with an Asian heritage ... but that wouldn't fit the 'woe is me, whitey is keeping me back' meme that was being pitched.
18 posted on 03/16/2012 12:12:54 PM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: lbryce

the tech sector isn’t like journalism or general media. members of the tech sector either know what they are doing, or get fired / washed out.

does this mean blacks can’t compete? of course they can.... if they can. all groups have the same hurdle.

hours in a classroom will NOT make you better in the tech sector. hours OUTSIDE the classroom doing self directed study / development does.

if sili valley is forced to implement quotas, you’ll just see more offshore jobs pop up.


19 posted on 03/16/2012 12:15:05 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: lbryce
Sorry to shout, but

WHAT A LOAD OF BULL CHIPS!

I went into tech just because it WAS fair! Math don't lie and isn't subjective. This type of claim is very very very racist, and portrays black people as unable to make it.

BTW, I won't go to Silicon Valley because I don't want to get "into" the California culture, I don't care how pretty it is out there.

20 posted on 03/16/2012 12:17:17 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: lbryce

Terell Jermaine Starr! What would a Swedish guy know about it?


21 posted on 03/16/2012 12:17:42 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

flash, you missed the key factor in the indian move into the US tech sector...

indians hire indians.

oh, sorry... was i not supposed to mention that?


22 posted on 03/16/2012 12:18:49 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: I Shall Endure

“Why don’t black people take math and programming classes?”

I have no objective data, but my observation over the course of my life is that culturally, the black family structure is a mess and the kids suffer academically and in many other ways.

The majority of the culture celebrates lawlessness and despises such things as school work. I think it’s long term fruit from being enslaved (families torn apart, men emasculated etc.) and more recently, welfare, which took away the apparent need for a wage earning father.

There are obviously, some solid black families and some black kids who go against the tide and succeed. But there needs to be a sea change.


23 posted on 03/16/2012 12:19:34 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: lbryce

They need to start blaming the Black “Cultural Leaders” who shove the notion down young Black male Youths Minds that “educating oneself is selling out to ther white man”....


24 posted on 03/16/2012 12:26:58 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: null and void

Valley ping


25 posted on 03/16/2012 12:29:22 PM PDT by Shimmer1 (If my body dies, then let it die, but let my country live.)
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To: Persevero
I think it’s long term fruit from being enslaved (families torn apart, men emasculated etc.)

You need to stop thinking like that.

For much of the 20th century, black folks had good communities, good schools, good churches and good families. They may have been separate -- and their institutions may not have been equal -- but the statistics are there that in terms of unemployment, marriage, childbirth,etc black people were doing just fine in modern America.

Then the Democrats started giving free stuff to anyone who could provide evidence of non-achievement. Rates of non-achievement have skyrocketed ever since.

The black culture of 2012 owes virtually nothing to the 1850's and owes a hell of a lot to the 1960's.

26 posted on 03/16/2012 12:30:25 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy ("And the public gets what the public wants" -- The Jam)
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To: lbryce

I’ll respond to this EVIL on the website itself later on. This crap is all part of the MSM’s agenda. Racism is everywhere is the current theme for the week/month since the “War on Women” tanked.


27 posted on 03/16/2012 12:30:40 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: All

No, black people are their own worst enemies.
Dirty little secret: Americans are sick an blank-ing TIRED of this 24/7 racism BULL$H!!


28 posted on 03/16/2012 12:32:44 PM PDT by Maverick68
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To: lbryce

Question: How do they categorize Indians (Hindu) whose skins are brown and who are all over Silicon Valley?


29 posted on 03/16/2012 12:37:13 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: lbryce

The very sad, non-PC but true fact of the matter is that too many black kids are falling way, way short of the academic achievement needed to qualify for these jobs.

Sure, we can institute Affirmative Action and give the jobs to them anyway. But then the software won’t work.


30 posted on 03/16/2012 12:40:10 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: lbryce

Average IQ is 100. Average African-American IQ is 85. That’s one Standard Deviation. Math is hard, it’s harder when you’re stupid. Sucks, don’t it? But it’s not racism, it’s reality. Facts are such mean little buggers.


31 posted on 03/16/2012 12:46:48 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: lbryce
Anyone who lives here knows this guy is obviously counting middle easterners and indians as white.

I'd be surprised if people of european heritage make up any more than 60% of high tech employees in SV.

32 posted on 03/16/2012 12:48:28 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: ClearCase_guy

The black culture of 2012 owes virtually nothing to the 1850’s and owes a hell of a lot to the 1960’s.”

True, dat...


33 posted on 03/16/2012 12:55:31 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: lbryce

I have always found White, Indian, Asian, Jewish and (gasp) Iranian engineers to be very competent.

Other groups have many individuals who could excel as well.
I suspect that the reason they do not is cultural and poor parenting, mainly lack of a working father who strives to succeed and instill the same values into his children.

The breakup of the traditional family is a disaster!

The welfare state is a disaster. It exists chiefly to allow democrats to be elected. They have created a slave class who feels they must vote democrat or starve.

The education system is a disaster. It needs to cost far less and needs far fewer Marxist Profs teaching useless subjects.


34 posted on 03/16/2012 12:58:05 PM PDT by Bobalu (It is not obama we are fighting, it is the media.)
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To: skeeter

Anyone who lives here knows this guy is obviously counting middle easterners and indians as white.”

Well, they are, except for any who might be Dravidian.

“Caucasian” covers far more than Europeans.


35 posted on 03/16/2012 12:59:02 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: achilles2000
“Caucasian” covers far more than Europeans

And 'black' (in the same scientific categorization as 'Caucasian') covers who?

36 posted on 03/16/2012 1:02:55 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: lbryce

The problem with the facial recognition system might not be due to racism, but rather to the problems with the low resolution of the camera. It would be easier to see features on a light background than a dark one.


37 posted on 03/16/2012 1:06:47 PM PDT by jmcenanly ("The more corrupt the state, the more laws." Tacitus, Publius Cornelius)
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To: lbryce

It must be because of racism, because every Hollywood movie and TV show I’ve seen in the last 20 years features a black “computer genius.” Why aren’t they hiring those guys? Racism, I tell you. Hollywood wouldn’t lie.


38 posted on 03/16/2012 1:12:29 PM PDT by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: skeeter
Anyone who lives here knows this guy is obviously counting middle easterners and indians as white.

by the technical standards of anthropology they are both defined as "caucasian".
39 posted on 03/16/2012 1:13:27 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: ClearCase_guy

“I think it’s long term fruit from being enslaved (families torn apart, men emasculated etc.)

You need to stop thinking like that. “

Well, I don’t know that I’m willing to quit thinking. . .I don’t offer it as an excuse.

When an entire race is enslaved for decades, I think it has some repercussions. How was the integrity of the black family, with a man providing and leading the way, maintained during slavery? They were bred, they were sold and separated, and the men were kept infantalized.

I agree they bounced back admirably well, but, they couldn’t seem to sustain it, and I think that is due to welfare and slavery repercussions. Couldn’t prove it; just an opinion.


40 posted on 03/16/2012 1:35:36 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: achilles2000; Buckeye McFrog
“Caucasian” covers far more than Europeans.

I understand that middle easterners are considered caucasian in the strict anthropological sense, but its obvious thats not the context the writer uses here - he's clearly referring to 'white' people in the 'community activist' sense.

41 posted on 03/16/2012 2:09:42 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks lbryce. Race card? Must be an election year, and/or California’s legislature is looking around for something to tax, re-tax, or raise taxes on. sidebars: domestic squabbles: really insightful analysis:
42 posted on 03/16/2012 2:27:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: Excellence
“Go into any inner-city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can’t teach kids to learn. They know that parents have to parent, that children can’t achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white.” —Barack Obama, Keynote Address, Democratic National Convention, 2004

http://educationnext.org/actingwhite/

Exceedingly interesting link - I pull a quote from the scholarly report:
That acting white is more prevalent in schools with more interethnic contact hardly passes the test of political correctness. It nonetheless provides a clue to what is going on. Anthropologists have long observed that social groups seek to preserve their identity, an activity that accelerates when threats to internal cohesion intensify. Within a group, the more successful individuals can be expected to enhance the power and cohesion of the group as long as their loyalty is not in question. But if the group risks losing its most successful members to outsiders, then the group will seek to prevent the outflow. Cohesive yet threatened groups—the Amish, for example—are known for limiting their children’s education for fear that too much contact with the outside world risks the community’s survival.

In an achievement-based society where two groups, for historical reasons, achieve at noticeably different levels, the group with lower achievement levels is at risk of losing its most successful members, especially in situations where successful individuals have opportunities to establish contacts with outsiders. Over the long run, the group faces the danger that its most successful members will no longer identify with its interests, and group identity will itself erode. To forestall such erosion, groups may try to reinforce their identity by penalizing members for differentiating themselves from the group. The penalties are likely to increase whenever the threats to group cohesion intensify.

Applying this model of behavior to minority and white students yields two important predictions: A positive relationship between academic achievement and peer-group acceptance (popularity) will erode and turn negative, whenever the group as a whole has lower levels of achievement. And that erosion will be exacerbated in contexts that foster more interethnic contact. This, of course, is exactly what I found with regard to acting white.

Understanding acting white in this way places the concept within a broader conceptual framework that transcends specific cultural contexts and lifts the topic beyond pointless ideological exchanges. There is necessarily a trade-off between doing well and rejection by your peers when you come from a traditionally low-achieving group, especially when that group comes into contact with more outsiders.


43 posted on 03/16/2012 4:11:46 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: lbryce

This one comes up periodically in one form or another. I remember when I was in college on my CSC major there was a big discussion going on in the industry trying to figure out why there were so few black people on any side of the equation, using software, making software, studying software. It ain’t racist but it is a mystery.


44 posted on 03/16/2012 4:17:22 PM PDT by discostu (I did it 35 minutes ago)
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To: dfwgator
HR will go out of their way to make sure a black applicant for a programming position gets hired.

You got that right. Working in this industry I know it first hand.

45 posted on 03/16/2012 4:20:12 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: svcw
Yo!
What's wrong with the claim?

Just hire the most qualified blacks available to design and assemble the next iphone and ipad for sale only to the black community.
Just put the NIKE logo on them.

Everybody happy?
Why argue about it?

46 posted on 03/16/2012 4:32:37 PM PDT by Publius6961 (“It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep.” - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: Excellence
“Go into any inner-city neighborhood, and folks will tell you that government alone can’t teach kids to learn. They know that parents have to parent, that children can’t achieve unless we raise their expectations and turn off the television sets and eradicate the slander that says a black youth with a book is acting white.” —Barack Obama, Keynote Address, Democratic National Convention, 2004

Words are cheap.

Since 2004, Obama and the cabinet of "his people" have done everything to empower the pathologic culture, stoke the fires of race war and continue the utter failure of blacks in education.

47 posted on 03/16/2012 4:38:12 PM PDT by Publius6961 (“It’s easy to make phony promises you can’t keep.” - Obama, Feb23, 2012)
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To: Persevero
Great Migration (African American)

New Great Migration

-PJ

48 posted on 03/16/2012 4:40:02 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

There is much more where this came from. I used to be very connected with education policy, but it got to be just so damn depressing. The solutions are actually quite simple: small (I mean really, really small) schools in neighborhoods where the cohesion can be maintained and there is no chance for this “group” thing. It’s possible, but the unions wouldn’t like it.


49 posted on 03/16/2012 5:14:27 PM PDT by Excellence (9/11 was an act of faith.)
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To: lbryce

So what? They don’t want to put in the effort and sacrifice it takes to educate themselves to get these jobs. So do a lot of whites and every other race. Most people don’t train themselves to be able to do a job that is highly technical.

When will I see a piece from the MSM lamenting there is way, way, way too few whites in professional football and basketball? Given the demographics there should be 70 percent white players. Obviously the NFL and NBA are raciat towards whites, by libtard logic.


50 posted on 03/16/2012 6:07:29 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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