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Obama State Department set to cede oil-rich Alaska islands to Russia
Washington Times ^ | Monday 20th February | admin

Posted on 03/16/2012 12:28:02 PM PDT by Candor7

Obama’s State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians. Yes, to the Putin regime in the Kremlin. … The seven endangered islands in the Arctic Ocean and Bering Sea include one the size of Rhode Island and Delaware combined. The Russians are also to get the tens of thousands of square miles of oil-rich seabeds surrounding the islands. The Department of Interior estimates billions of barrels of oil are at stake.

The State Department has undertaken the giveaway in the guise of a maritime boundary agreement between Alaska and Siberia. Astoundingly, our federal government itself drew the line to put these seven Alaskan islands on the Russian side. But as an executive agreement, it could be reversed with the stroke of a pen by President Obama or Secretary Clinton.

The agreement was negotiated in total secrecy. The state of Alaska was not allowed to participate in the negotiations, nor was the public given any opportunity for comment. This is despite the fact the Alaska Legislature has passed resolutions of opposition – but the State Department doesn’t seem to care.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: alaska; ntsa; obama; russia; trerason
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FUBO! Bye bye Oil!
1 posted on 03/16/2012 12:28:12 PM PDT by Candor7
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To: Candor7

Might as well give Russia & China a Grant Deed to the USA as “tenants-in-common”


2 posted on 03/16/2012 12:30:14 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: LucyT; Fred Nerks; Beckwith; Danae; TigersEye

PING to Obama treason. Gross Alaska snub.


3 posted on 03/16/2012 12:31:27 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info.. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

I’m almost afraid to click on these links. It’s one nightmare after the next.


4 posted on 03/16/2012 12:33:35 PM PDT by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: Candor7

This myth made it to the Washington Times?

We’ve been reading about it Free Republic since the mid-years of George Bush.


5 posted on 03/16/2012 12:35:13 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: stephenjohnbanker
This is bad news for Alaskans, and a war cry to Sarah Palin. She should be running for the presidencey. Bad mistake for her IMHO.

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6 posted on 03/16/2012 12:35:45 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info.. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

Good GOD Almighty, is there NOONE on our side with the balls to go after the Regime on this kind of stuff??? Treason if I ever saw it.


7 posted on 03/16/2012 12:36:00 PM PDT by Marathoner (Obama has his own 9-9-9-plan: $9.99 a gallon at the pump.)
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To: Candor7

Paging Governor Sarah Palin. Wait....she’s not governor anymore. Rats!!


8 posted on 03/16/2012 12:36:42 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war....)
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To: thackney

54’ 40 or Fight!!!


9 posted on 03/16/2012 12:37:07 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: thackney

The problem is that now , we have an idiot in the oval orifice who might just do it.

A trade to O’s communist cousins for access to Afghanistan through Azerbaijan?

Can it be done without an act of Congress? Are the islands inhabited by US citizens?


10 posted on 03/16/2012 12:38:53 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info.. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Candor7

Quietly, State Dept. Turns Over American Islands to Russia, Others
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/927764/posts
Posted on Thu Jun 12 2003

Posted lots of other times as well.

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ix=sea&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=giving+away+alaska+islands+russia+site%3AFreeRepublic.com&oq=giving+away+alaska+islands+russia+site:FreeRepublic.com&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=2976l2976l0l3448l1l1l0l0l0l0l440l440l4-1l1l0&gs_l=serp.3...2976l2976l0l3448l1l1l0l0l0l0l440l440l4-1l1l0.frgbld.&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=6ca356a6bb614143&biw=773&bih=334&ix=sea&ion=1


11 posted on 03/16/2012 12:38:53 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

Look at the Map folks! These islands really never belonged to us anyway! This is just WND nonsense.


12 posted on 03/16/2012 12:47:21 PM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: Candor7

Seeing the location, I do not see how we could have claimed them from the beginning.


13 posted on 03/16/2012 12:48:32 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: thackney; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Sure, but it hasn’t appeared since way last month. ;’)


14 posted on 03/16/2012 12:52:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Search is our friend.)
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To: Candor7
1) The islands are not and never were part of Alaska, they were not included in the purchase of Alaska.

2) The U.S. has never actually claimed the islands. Russia claimed the islands back under the Tzars.

3) The treaty on the maritime border was negotiated in 1990 and ratified by the Senate and signed by President Bush in 1991.

A map of the islands:


15 posted on 03/16/2012 12:53:06 PM PDT by Cheburashka (If life hands you lemons, government regulations will prevent you from making lemonade.)
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To: thackney

Where is the “Not this $**t again” icon with the guy slapping his head? LOL


16 posted on 03/16/2012 12:53:27 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: fremont_steve
Dang if I had look to see it was crap from WND I would have never bother to look up the location. In the winter months you could ride a snow mobile to the islands from Russian.
17 posted on 03/16/2012 12:54:06 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Candor7

Don’t count her out.


18 posted on 03/16/2012 12:54:15 PM PDT by Josephat
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To: fremont_steve; org.whodat
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19 posted on 03/16/2012 12:55:28 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Search is our friend.)
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To: Candor7
For your reference; http://i43.tinypic.com/of4uq8.jpg
20 posted on 03/16/2012 12:55:28 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: Candor7

The islands, as I remember, are inhabited by Russians, because that is where they are, North side of Russia.

The state department didn’t estimate oil quantities, because they are not ours.


21 posted on 03/16/2012 12:55:36 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Candor7
The marine boundries with Russia, Cuba, Canada, Mexico, etc were established in the mid 70s in conjunction with the Magnussen Act.

Those same boundries were retained for LOST.

Anyway, in the oughties, LOST passed out of Senate committee, and even though LOST never made it to the Senate floor, everybody blamed Bush and his State Dept.

The moral of the story is that kooks and malcontents are going to bitch whether the prez is Bush or Obama

22 posted on 03/16/2012 12:59:02 PM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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23 posted on 03/16/2012 12:59:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.)
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To: thackney; Cheburashka

ALSO SEE: ( There is more to the issue, its an in process territorial claim which Obama is abandoning?)

The Obama administration’s conduct in the international community is once again under the critical scrutiny of the political right. This time, attacks on the president’s foreign policy have come from Alaskan attorney and former Republican senatorial candidate Joseph Miller.

On Friday, February 17, Miller reported on his blog at WND.com that the Obama administration, acting in compliance with the State Department, officially signed over several “strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands” to the Russian government. Miller expressed concern over the loss of territory, in addition to - potentially - “billions of barrels of oil” in the seabeds surrounding these islands.

Several conservative blogs and online news outlets have reiterated Miller’s story, virtually all of them citing the entirety or substantial portions of the original blog post. In light of the backlash against the Obama administration this latest information has provoked and may continue to foment, it is necessary to investigate some of the claims made by Miller in order to determine the validity of his reporting.

Most of the islands in question belong to a large coastal chain called the De Long Archipelago. Geographically, the De Long islands all lie within closer proximity to Russia’s northeastern border than to the Alaskan mainland. Additionally, all of the islands cited by Miller are located on the western - or “Russian” - side of the US-Russia maritime boundary, a division established via a 1990 treaty between the US and former Soviet Union. While the Soviet Union was dissolved before its leaders could make the agreement official, the United States was quick to ratify the treaty.

Though both Russian and American explorers have visited the islands and claimed them for their respective governments, the primary occupants of the islands have historically been Russian/Soviet explorers, researchers, and fishermen. The US State Department does not officially recognize any US claim to these territories, and a 1994 ruling by the Alaskan Supreme Court determined that the De Long islands Wrangel, Bennett, Jeannette, and Henrietta (all of which Miller mentions), as well as several others, were not Alaskan territories.

Barring the possibility of a war with Russia or Canada (or between Alaska and the rest of the United States), Miller’s claim that the islands are strategically significant is dubious at best. During the Cold War, the Soviet Union found no militaristic purpose for the islands; instead, they devoted their energies to building meteorological and astronomical observatories on them. Regardless of the future potential for hostilities, occupying and constructing military outposts so close to non-US sovereign territories would do little to ease extant international tensions; indeed, such a foreign policy move would likely serve to exacerbate them.

As for the resource-richness of the islands and surrounding coast, Miller’s anxiousness over the possibility of losing out on oil reserves reflects a fundamentally narrow view of energy independence given that he also expresses his displeasure with Obama’s decision to strike down the Keystone oil pipline project. The abilities of Alaska’s politicians and economists might be better spent further developing the state’s hydroelectric power facilities, or exploring other alternative energy sources for which Alaska’s environment is uniquely suited.

Considering the dual effort between Russia and China which successfully struck down a US-backed Security Council resolution to intervene in Syria earlier this month, ending the dispute over these islands may gain the US another ally in its policy toward events in the Middle East. Ultimately, however, the Obama administration’s decision to formally cede geopolitical control of the De Long Archipelago and a few smaller islands to Russia represents but another shift away from international Cold War dynamics, a symbolic gesture intended to do away with a vestige from a period of history branded by threats, tension, violence, and fear. While the world still contends with the consequences of that ideological battle to this day, Miller’s assertion that America “won the Cold War and should start acting like it” is not new and ignores years of violent post-Cold War history marked by that very same attitude
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http://www.examiner.com/foreign-policy-in-national/the-world-according-to-joe-miller-obama-island-giveaway-too-generous


24 posted on 03/16/2012 1:02:16 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info.. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: thackney
I see you and I did this back in 2009 as well.


25 posted on 03/16/2012 1:02:40 PM PDT by icwhatudo
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To: Candor7

I am not the biggest fan of Russia as most of you know, but claiming those islands is a stretch. They are behind the International Date Line and are much closer to Russia than the United States. Now if Obama was ceding Little Diomede Island or the Western Aleutians, then I would be griping.


26 posted on 03/16/2012 1:11:39 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Romney barely won in OH with a 12-1 money advantage, he can't beat Obama that way.)
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To: jersey117
I’m almost afraid to click on these links. It’s one nightmare after the next.

As I pointed out here after the prez election that this will truly be the end of what we have known as America. Every day he & his comrades/Czars don't disappoint on that issue. It's not that it will be over - it IS. There is absolutely no formidable opposition to this destruction as the PTB are no less than satanic.

27 posted on 03/16/2012 1:13:58 PM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection then failure is your election)
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To: Candor7

All this post shows, is how unreliable the information posted is in the blog, examiner.com.

It is made up BS, for islands we never had.


28 posted on 03/16/2012 1:14:51 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Candor7

Wanna bet the development proceeds wind up in his/his buddy’s pockets?


29 posted on 03/16/2012 1:14:52 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Evil Slayer

You will have to ask senator murCOWski for help.

LLS


30 posted on 03/16/2012 1:20:33 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Candor7

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUs-DoeqI5U&feature=youtu.be


31 posted on 03/16/2012 1:22:44 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Candor7
Obama’s State Department is giving away seven strategic, resource-laden Alaskan islands to the Russians.

And. STILL, we lack the outrage, the passion for our country to take to the streets and protest this latest insult to our nation by the Kenyan.

My God, WHERE are our patriots!!???

32 posted on 03/16/2012 1:28:12 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: Candor7

Is obama being extorted?


33 posted on 03/16/2012 1:37:56 PM PDT by mgist
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To: Candor7
Will this explanation from the State Department, written in 2003 help you believe it is a myth?

Status of Wrangel and Other Arctic Islands
http://2001-2009.state.gov/p/eur/rls/fs/20922.htm

No negotiations regarding the U.S.-Russia maritime boundary have occurred since 1990, when the U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement was signed. The negotiations that led to that agreement did not address the status of Wrangel Island, Herald Island, Bennett Island, Jeannette Island, or Henrietta Island, all of which lie off Russia's Arctic coast, or Mednyy (Copper) Island or rocks off the coast of Mednyy Island in the Bering Sea. None of the islands or rocks above were included in the U.S. purchase of Alaska from Russia in 1867, and they have never been claimed by the United States, although Americans were involved in the discovery and exploration of some of them.

The U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement, signed by the United States and the Soviet Union on June 1, 1990, defines our maritime boundary in the Arctic Ocean, Bering Sea, and northern Pacific Ocean. The U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement is a treaty that requires ratification by both parties before it formally enters into force. The treaty was made public at the time of its signing. In a separate exchange of diplomatic notes, the two countries agreed to apply the agreement provisionally. The United States Senate gave its advice and consent to ratification of the U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement on September 16, 1991.

The Russian Federation informed the United States Government by diplomatic note dated January 13, 1992, that it “continues to perform the rights and fulfill the obligations flowing from the international agreements” signed by the Soviet Union. The United States and the Russian Federation, which is considered to be the sole successor state to the treaty rights and obligations of the former Soviet Union for the purposes of the U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement, are applying the treaty on a provisional basis, pending its ratification by the Russian Federation.

The United States regularly holds discussions with Russia on Bering Sea issues, but these discussions do not affect the placement of the U.S.-Russia boundary or the jurisdiction over any territory or the sovereignty of any territory. The U.S. has no intention of reopening discussion of the 1990 Maritime Boundary Treaty.

Note: I believe this is the source of the map used in the other websites.

34 posted on 03/16/2012 1:42:10 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: mgist

Read further.


35 posted on 03/16/2012 1:44:48 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The Global Warming HOAX is about Global Governance)
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To: Candor7

World Nut Daily spraying its computer screen.

Ye Gods, these islands have been de facto Russian territory forever. Is there some plot to make conservatives look silly for trying to hang Obama for one of the few things he’s got right?


36 posted on 03/16/2012 1:57:48 PM PDT by Grut
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To: Candor7

Well. By giving the oil to Russia there is a pretty goodchance it will get on the world market and help keep the price of oil down. Keeping it in the USA will simply lock it up forever or for so long as the USA remains.


37 posted on 03/16/2012 2:40:01 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: stephenjohnbanker

And what about Texas to Mexico.... ??


38 posted on 03/16/2012 4:25:06 PM PDT by traumer
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To: Candor7; LucyT; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...
LucyT ping................

Summary of Giveaway of 8 American Alaskan Islands to the Russian Government

Here is the summary:

http://statedepartmentwatch.org/GiveawaySummary.htm

39 posted on 03/16/2012 5:32:09 PM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: gaijin

This is basic.

We don’t have a president. We have a queen.


40 posted on 03/16/2012 5:37:10 PM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: thackney
This myth made it to the Washington Times?

Sadly, the Washington Times is quickly turning into a mirror of Wing Nut Daily. What's next? Pterodactyls in Asia?

41 posted on 03/16/2012 5:40:18 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: Candor7

If this is true, I can’t see how dear leader will get away with it.


42 posted on 03/16/2012 5:55:13 PM PDT by RWB Patriot ("My ability is a value that must be purchased and I don't recognize anyone's need as a claim on me.")
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To: melancholy; thackney; Candor7; Cheburashka; org.whodat; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; ...

1867 Treaty Between United States and Russia

It is important to read the 1867 treaty between the United States and Russia, because it is very specific about what territory is (and is not) ceded from Russia to the United States. Popular misimpressions abound.

1. The word "Alaska" does not appear anywhere in the treaty. The United States did not buy "Alaska" from Russia. The term "Alaska" at the time referred to a peninsula at the eastern end of the Aleutian Islands.

2. The part of the treaty that explains what is being ceded is Article I: "His Majesty the Emperor of all the Russias agrees to cede to the United States...all the territory and dominion now possessed by his said Majesty on the continent of America and in the adjacent islands, the same being contained within the geographical limits set forth...." In 1867 Russia possessed very little actual land territory on the American continent, consisting mostly of some coastal and river settlements with about 500 inhabitants. The Russians had not even landed on the Arctic Ocean side of modern-day Alaska. The land that the Russians ceded constitutes only a small part of the land mass that is now known as the State of Alaska. Upon taking over the limited Russian lands in 1867, the United States government expanded its domain greatly by exploration, possession, and annexation of huge areas on the mainland, in the Bering Sea, and in the Arctic Ocean, including several islands.

3. The last clause of Article I states, "...to the meridian of one hundred and ninety-three degrees west longitude [167 degrees east], so as to include in the territory conveyed the whole of the Aleutian islands east of that meridian." The westernmost islands in the Aleutian islands are Bering and Copper (with Sea Lion Rock and Sea Otter Rock nearby Copper). This clause was added in the last phase of negotiations to allow Russia to keep Bering Island. The meridian of 193 degrees west (167 degrees east) runs directly between Bering and Copper Islands.



This maritime boundary line places on the Russian side 8 American Alaskan islands along with their 200-mile seabeds. It amounts to a giveaway of not only the land territory, but also hundreds of thousands of square miles of seabeds to the Russians. (See shaded area of map.) There is no quid pro quo for the American public or the State of Alaska. These seabeds are rich in oil, gas, fisheries, and other resources worth billions of dollars. The oil and gas potential is measured in the billions of barrels. The fisheries are in the hundreds of millions of pounds per year, reflecting that Alaska is the number one fishing state in the nation. The military strategic locations of the Arctic and Bering areas is obvious. Any missiles that might fly toward North America from the Asian mainland would fly over these areas of Alaska, and these islands would be useful for intelligence collection and strategic defense initiative (SDI) installations.
43 posted on 03/16/2012 6:11:35 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: thackney; Candor7
Will this explanation from the State Department, written in 2003 help you believe it is a myth?

Why should it?
44 posted on 03/16/2012 6:13:58 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer

were is the Senate and House standing up to him on this


45 posted on 03/16/2012 6:16:14 PM PDT by blueyon (The U. S. Constitution - read it and weep)
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To: Brown Deer

Thanks, Brown Deer. Very interesting. Although if those earlier posts are true, it looks as if the effort to give away the islands started under George H. W. Bush.

Still, unless the revised treaty proposed back then by Bush has been ratified, it’s still Obama who appears to be doing the giveaway, without due ratification by the Senate. A treaty is not a treaty until it is ratified.

Is that right?


46 posted on 03/16/2012 6:23:04 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Although if those earlier posts are true, it looks as if the effort to give away the islands started under George H. W. Bush.

Not hardly.

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Even though Russia had long before be putting equipment and people on these islands?

http://heritage-expeditions.com/destination/wrangel-island/

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Russian settlement began in 1926, followed by military installations at Zvezdnyi on Somnitel’naya Bay, and reindeer herder settlements, later abandoned, but with many artefacts still well preserved

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/1023

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In 1911 the famous icebreakers, Tamyr and Vaygach, as part of the Russian Arctic Ocean Hydrographic Expedition (1910-15) briefly landed a party on Wrangel Island and claimed it for Russia. In 1914, survivors from the Vilhjalmur Stefansson-led Canadian Arctic Expedition’ s doomed Northern Party camped on Wrangel Island for nine harrowing months. Their ever-controversial leader had abandoned them in September 1913, leaving them for dead aboard their ship, the CGS Karluk, stuck fast in the ice pack.

Not content with that fiasco, Stefansson landed an “occupation” party of five on Wrangel Island in 1921, apparently to assist Canada and Britain in the so-called “northward course of empire”. In another epic arctic drama, his experiment ended in tragedy, leaving a brave young Inuit woman, Ada Blackjack, the sole survivor. In spite of this abject failure, another group of Inuit were installed in 1923, but these hapless souls were eventually evicted in 1926 by Russia, setting off yet another dispute that would simmer for years after.

http://monolith.com.au/wrangel/


47 posted on 03/16/2012 6:44:49 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Brown Deer; Cicero; Candor7

Your map was not part of the treaty.

http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/ampage?collId=llsl&fileName=015/llsl015.db&recNum=574

It does not match the description of text, including Western southern boundary midway between Attou Island and Copper Island of the Kormandorski couplet.

How does the treaty show Copper Island to be in the US when the treaty clearly drew the line midway between Copper and Attou?

The same happens at the North. Read the text of what you posted. It is true. But the map is something made up.


48 posted on 03/16/2012 7:00:12 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney; Cicero; Candor7
Your map was not part of the treaty.

That's right it isn't! but it matches up with your map.

It does not match the description of text...

It most certainly does match the description below it!

How does the treaty show Copper Island to be in the US when the treaty clearly drew the line midway between Copper and Attou?

The meridian of 193 degrees west (167 degrees east) runs directly between Bering and Copper Islands. Why have you displayed maps without the proper markings?
49 posted on 03/16/2012 7:13:34 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Brown Deer
Copper Island

Bering Island

MAP
50 posted on 03/16/2012 7:28:39 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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