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To: Albion Wilde

Historically when the Catholic immigrants came to North America (late 19th century), an elite gorup of Republicans from Boston and NYC railed against the incoming poor irish among them and put put out signs, “No Irish need apply”. Then they coined election slogans like “Rum, Romanism and Rebellion”.

That forced the Catholic voters into the Democrat Party. And since the majority of priests were of Irish origin as well as policemen and firemen, they became the leaders of the American RC church.

My own great-grandparents were all Democrats. One of my ggrandfathers owned a bank and he was a county leader in the Democratic party in MN. He was a very well-known man and highly esteemed by the local people. By 1896, however, he was quoted in the local newspaper as being against the policies of Wm Jenings Bryon and my ggrandfather opined that he had observed the hard work of people who had entrusted their meagre savings into his bank for safe keeping, and he (my ggf) was not about to vote for any policy that would cause excessive inflation and render the value of these people’s saving as nothing. So, without saying who he was going to vote for, I believe he voted for Wm McKinley for President. In 1942, his son, my grandfather, on his deathbed told my Mother, that “Thank heavens, I never voted for FDR.” So some catholic in the USA were already moving over to the GOP early on, yet others have persisted in clinging (what a word - and it better used to described Catholic Democrats) to the party of FDR and JFK.

Fast Forward to FDR, and Rush is correct. The bishops were easily gulled into believeing that social programs through the government were much like approving of charity. It was a BIG mistake. They should have remembered the parable that Jesus told about the old, poor widow who put her last coin into the church collection, God looked upon her donation as the largest one of all, since she gave from her need (her heart), and not from her excess.

Socialism, in my opinion is a sin against the Holy Spirit. It masquerades as charity when it is really designed to steal from individuals, making it more difficult to donate freely from the heart. It also hardens the hearts of the people against donations since they see the transfer of their wealth to persons who did not earn it, without any sense of appreciation from the recipients, and rather a sense of entitlement.

Charity is thereby destroyed in the hearts of both the donor and the recipient. Since the gospel says that Charity is the first among the Theological virtues, this is a grievous sin agaissnt the Holy Spirit IMHO.


9 posted on 03/16/2012 4:09:33 PM PDT by Gumdrop
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To: Gumdrop

Excellent. You just saved me from having to say that!

I would add that all the Mainline Protestant churches made the same false decision toward the end of the nineteenth century. The American novelist Winston Churchill wrote a fascinating book about it, whose title currently slips my mind. It’s about a pastor who concludes that it would easier, and less shameful, for the government to support the poor, so he wouldn’t have to keep begging money from his rich parishioners, and make the poor suffer from their condescending help.

It goes back a pretty long way, and has been gathering momentum ever since, especially under FDR and LBJ.


10 posted on 03/16/2012 4:34:46 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Gumdrop

I think your post gives a much fuller picture of why the early Irish immigrants were shunted into the Democrat fold. The Scorcese movie “Gangs of New York” , set in the 1865 or so time frame, illustrates the conflicts between incoming Irish refugees from the potato famine and the resentful English-descended gangs of “Nativists.”


13 posted on 03/16/2012 8:20:02 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The facts of life are Tory." -- Margaret Thatcher)
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