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Scientists say Isle Royale wolves may need bailout as extinction threat rises
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Posted on 03/16/2012 4:00:40 PM PDT by SJackson
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:00:47 PM PDT
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SJackson
To: SJackson
The ecosystem would function just fine without wolves.
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:02:52 PM PDT
by
umgud
(No Rats, No Rino's)
To: SJackson
I wonder how many times they’ve died out on the island only to return later. After all, its an island but it’s an island that often finds itself surrounded by ice.
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:04:34 PM PDT
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cripplecreek
(What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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A bailout? The wolves must have lobbyists.
It's a wonderful place. I remember when the population dropped due to parvo. The wolves came back.
The place is a wonderful labratory, and I'd be fine with introducing a few wolves to keep things going, though the critters might surprise us and survive on their own. It was a coyote/deer habitat during my lifetime, so I'm not sure there's much damage if they don't survive, other than to the scientific and tourism communities. But I'd help them out.
It's a UN World Heritage site I believe, and when the UN was formed in many of our lifetimes, no wolves on Isle Royale. Go figure.
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:07:20 PM PDT
by
SJackson
(The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
To: SJackson
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:12:38 PM PDT
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cripplecreek
(What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
To: SJackson
Isle Royale is only 45 miles long by 9 miles wide.......While they try to blame the decline of the wolves on inbreeding and lack of females, I suspect the real reason is they've over predated their food sources.
Nature has the unique ability of taking care of its own and right now the wolf is on the "B" list......
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:14:55 PM PDT
by
Hot Tabasco
(The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
To: cripplecreek
The ice passage isn’t there that often, only a couple times the last half century. Which gives them lots of opportunities as these things go, if you’re a scientist studying them, or attempting tourism to the park (which is wonderful), it’s a big problem. Not that that enters anyones mind other than mine.
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:18:48 PM PDT
by
SJackson
(The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
To: SJackson
Michigan certainly has a interesting wolf history. Perhaps, the largest Wolf ever killed was from Michigan.
The Giant Wolf of Flint
'He gutted it and dragged it into town to have it weighed and measured; it was 182 pounds even after gutting, and measured seven feet, 11 inches tall when measured hanging vertically. The creature stood 39 inches at the shoulder! It was considered such a magnificent specimen that the carcass was sent to the Carnegie Institute in Pittsburgh where it was mounted and displayed. '
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:28:02 PM PDT
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Theoria
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:29:32 PM PDT
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Theoria
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To: Hot Tabasco
In a sense. I'm not sure it's over predation as much as an unnatural food source. Tough for wolves to survive largely on moose. Kind of what our ancestors faced living off mammoths, but the wolves have no spears.
It's kind of an artificial enviornment, but not one where species developed, one where the showed up. And have probably been "showing up" for millenia, but no one noticed. It's been explained to me that it was a deer-coyote place. The moose showed up a century or so ago, out browsed the deer who can't reach as high as moose. Weakening the deer herd, as well as the coyotes. An invitation for the wolves, who dispatched the deer and the coyotes, and are now stuck living off the really big guys, in front of the tourists and scientists.
It's a wild place, but also artificial. I'd import some wolves and keep the 60 year old experiment going, referring to this as an "extinction", or some sort of a natural wolf enviornment, is absurd.
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:30:21 PM PDT
by
SJackson
(The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
To: Hot Tabasco
Didn’t address your inbreeding/females comment, but it’s really a tiny population. That’s kind of a given. I don’t know why that would surprise anyone, especially scientists.
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:32:40 PM PDT
by
SJackson
(The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
To: SJackson
turn them loose in New York City or Washington Dc let them feed on the scum there!
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:35:49 PM PDT
by
jrd
(DO AWAY WITH THE EPA)
To: SJackson
Last week here on FR was a thread on killing wolves out west because of overpopulation.
Don’t any of these wolf people talk to each other?
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:37:58 PM PDT
by
Mears
(Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
To: umgud
To: SJackson
OR
The wolves could die out on the island.
The Moose population explodes over the next 50 years.
In 75 years a pack of mainland wolves track Moose that had ventured out onto the ice between the mainland and the island to the island.
In 100 years Americans are again saying that the large wolf population on the island are the reason Moose are disappearing from the island.....
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:42:08 PM PDT
by
dewawi
To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Youre wrong about that.We'll have to agree to disagree over this.
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:45:06 PM PDT
by
umgud
(No Rats, No Rino's)
To: umgud
These are Canadian wolves that came across the ice one cold winter during the last century. They have had their ups and downs, have had new genetic material introduced before to ease inbreeding. They are not a real species and if they die out it will only return the island to what it was a short time ago. No biggie.
To: SJackson
It's a wild place, but also artificial.
"Artificial" is the key. Kinda like an aquarium.......
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posted on
03/16/2012 4:50:50 PM PDT
by
Hot Tabasco
(The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
To: SJackson
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posted on
03/16/2012 5:09:14 PM PDT
by
magslinger
(If I wanted to vote for a Commie I would vote for Obammie. He has a chance of winning.)
To: cripplecreek
Does Isle Royale qualify for a MIping?
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posted on
03/16/2012 5:10:47 PM PDT
by
magslinger
(If I wanted to vote for a Commie I would vote for Obammie. He has a chance of winning.)
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