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Legal U.S. Gun Sales Arm Mexican Cartels
reuters.com ^ | 15 March, 2012 | Stephanie Rabiner

Posted on 03/16/2012 4:23:47 PM PDT by marktwain

Recent focus on the relationship between U.S. guns and Mexican cartels has been limited to the ATF's "Fast and the Furious." That plan had agents selling assault rifles to Mexican gun runners so that they could track high-ranking cartel members.

Though the ATF's actions are a bit questionable, there's actually a completely legal -- and perhaps more harmful -- way the U.S. is arming Mexican cartels. It's called "direct commercial sales" and it's operated by the State Department's Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC).

So how is taxpayer money paying to arm drug dealers?

Under the direct commercial sales program, foreign governments can submit an application to the DDTC. When approved, they are free to purchase weapons made by private U.S. manufacturers.

In 2009 alone, U.S. manufacturers sold 18,709 guns to the Mexican military, reports CBS News. About 26% of those guns were "diverted" into the wrong hands.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; dea; dhs; doj; drugcartels; fastandfurious; fbi; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; mexico; obama
So this story is now going mainstream? "The ATFs actions are a bit "questionable"?
1 posted on 03/16/2012 4:23:56 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker ping.


2 posted on 03/16/2012 4:24:37 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

“Though the ATF’s actions are a bit questionable,”

LOL!! Leave it to Roto Rooters : )


3 posted on 03/16/2012 4:26:35 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: marktwain

I wonder if Georgfe Bush was in charge when a program that put guns in the hand of mexican drug cartels, which were then used to kil america border patrol agents they would have clled the actions “a bit questionable”

When is ISSA going to grow some balls AND INDICT SOME ONE


4 posted on 03/16/2012 4:29:10 PM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: marktwain

I wonder if George Bush was in charge when a program that put guns in the hands of mexican drug cartels, which were then used to kill american border patrol agents they would have called the actions “a bit questionable”

When is ISSA going to grow some balls AND INDICT SOME ONE??


5 posted on 03/16/2012 4:30:07 PM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: marktwain

Still trying to pretend Operation Gunwalker never happened.


6 posted on 03/16/2012 4:33:23 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopaths.)
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To: marktwain

Here it comes....don’t say we didn’t expect it.

Totally predictable. And NRA says Obama’s goal in 2nd term is to disarm us as much as possible.


7 posted on 03/16/2012 4:34:50 PM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: marktwain
Legal U.S. Gun Sales Arm Mexican Cartels

"Legal", perhaps, but only because Federal employees aren't considered prohibited persons like convicted felons, drug dealers, and wife beaters.

8 posted on 03/16/2012 4:38:51 PM PDT by Redcloak (Mitt Romney: Puttin' the "Country club" back in "Republican".)
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To: Mr. K

Sorry. I wish he could, but Issa can’t indict anyone. An indictment must be brought before a federal grand jury by a US Attorney. And guess who they work for!

Now, Issa could start a motion for impeachment of someone!


9 posted on 03/16/2012 4:44:29 PM PDT by Cincinnatus.45-70 (What do DemocRats enjoy more than a truckload of dead babies? Unloading them with a pitchfork!)
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

“Though the ATF’s actions are a bit questionable, there’s actually a completely legal — and perhaps more harmful — way the U.S. is arming Mexican cartels. It’s called ‘direct commercial sales’ and it’s operated by the State Department’s Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC).”

The state department, (hillary,) takes a bow. PING.


10 posted on 03/16/2012 4:50:12 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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My take: al-Reuters diluting F & F while joining the left’s assault on the 2nd’s RTBA. F~~~~rs.


11 posted on 03/16/2012 4:57:09 PM PDT by eureka! (Bless Our Troops. D*mn the Left.)
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To: Mr. K

We have a President walking around the White House without a stitch of clothing on. Naked as a Kenyan witchdoctor! When will ISSA fill a criminal complaint?


12 posted on 03/16/2012 5:04:48 PM PDT by STD ([You must help] the people in the community…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureles)
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To: Mr. K

We have a President walking around the White House without a stitch of clothing on. Naked as a Kenyan witchdoctor! When will ISSA fill a criminal complaint?


13 posted on 03/16/2012 5:05:27 PM PDT by STD ([You must help] the people in the community…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureles)
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To: Mr. K

We have a President walking around the White House without a stitch of clothing on. Naked as a Kenyan witchdoctor! When will ISSA fill a criminal complaint?


14 posted on 03/16/2012 5:07:35 PM PDT by STD ([You must help] the people in the community…feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureles)
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To: Mr. K
When is ISSA going to grow some balls AND INDICT SOME ONE

Inquire at Boehner's office. He was said to be in tears at the time.

15 posted on 03/16/2012 5:17:18 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty ("If the past sits in judgment on the present, the future will be lost." --Winston Churchill)
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To: marktwain
Under the direct commercial sales program, foreign governments can submit an application to the DDTC. When approved, they are free to purchase weapons made by private U.S. manufacturers.

In 2009 alone, U.S. manufacturers sold 18,709 guns to the Mexican military, reports CBS News. About 26% of those guns were "diverted" into the wrong hands.

In other words, the cartel gets its heavy military weaponry from the Mexican military.

This has never been a secret. It just got downplayed when they were trying to convince us that the cartel was buying its machine guns, and rocket launchers, and hand grenades from Walmart's sporting goods department.

16 posted on 03/16/2012 5:32:05 PM PDT by marron
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To: marktwain
State Dept? Legal Sales? Oh, yeah...

"Grenade-walking" part of "Gunwalker" scandal

And this...

Worse Than Gunwalker? State Dept. Allegedly Sold Guns to Zetas

Phil Jordan, a former CIA operative and one-time leader of U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center, claims that the Obama administration is running guns to the violent Zetas cartel through the direct commercial sale of military grade weapons:

Jordan, who served as director of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration’s El Paso Intelligence Center in 1995, said the Zetas have shipped large amounts of weapons purchased in the Dallas area through El Paso.

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“They’ve found anti-aircraft weapons and hand grenades from the Vietnam War era,” Plumlee said. Other weapons found include grenade launchers, assault rifles, handguns and military gear including night-vision goggles and body armor.

More about State Department involvement...

— has sources claiming “Obama’s man in the State Department,” (former) Deputy Secretary of State Jim Steinberg, was the State Department operative who helped Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and the Department of Justice Deputy Attorney General David Ogden formulate the strategy that led to the tactics used in Operation Fast and Furious.

Steinberg took office as Deputy Secretary of State on January 28, 2009

A little more than two years later, it was announced that Steinberg's time in the Obama State Department was over. From the New York Times, 30 March 2011:

Mrs. Clinton heaped praise on Mr. Steinberg, describing him as an “indispensable” partner. “On every foreign policy challenge, big and small, he has helped formulate our policy and oversee its execution,” she wrote. Mr. Steinberg, she said, played “Oscar to Jack Lew’s Felix,” referring to Jacob J. Lew, her other deputy, who left earlier this year to become Mr. Obama’s budget director.

Want to read even more about State Dept. involvement? ...

Sipsey Street Exclusive: "In at the beginning." The State Department & the Gunwalker Scandal.

17 posted on 03/16/2012 6:39:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye; marktwain
The U.S. Direct Commercial Sales program is run from the U.S. State Department’s Directorate of Defense Trade Controls. It regulates and licenses private U.S. companies’ overseas sales of weapons and other defense materials, defense services, and military training. This does not include the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program, which authorized sales to foreign governments.

I read the earlier reference to DDTC as a evidence that the cartel was actually getting its weapons from the mexican military (and I do believe that... elements of the military have always been compromised in the past...)

But your post indicates that no, this is separate from the military sales. The State Department is selling weapons directly to the Zetas. We know one of the operations was selling weapons to the Honduran mob after the Zelaya affair, which led me to think there was a foreign policy objective involved in that sale. Another was selling weapons to the cartel. And now State selling to the Zetas.

But it occurs to me that we are just seeing the tip of a very big iceberg. The Clintons were in up to their necks in gun running back in the eighties, and this looks like the same song same key. Like then you've got investigations that seem to facilitate and cover the very thing they are supposedly investigating. You got some agencies in the know, others not in the know. You have to wonder at some point who exactly is working for who.

If the Zetas are armed by State, we've got ATF selling to the Mexican cartel, and to the Honduran mob, this is not a one-off. This is an enterprise. There is a parallel organization within these organizations that has its own agenda and no one dares to question them. It can be dismissed as a national security operation, or an on-going investigation and no one dares to question it.

This sounds like an old conspiracy movie in which the good guys all turn out to be bad guys. Maybe like Gene Hackman's The Firm multiplied by 10 thousand.

I remember years ago a Venezuelan general was arrested for shipping container-loads of drugs into the US. His defense was, that he had DEA's permission to ship so they could follow the shipment. But, you've sent 10 shipments, they said. Is this an investigation or a business? And at some point you conclude, the investigation is just the cover for a thriving enterprise.

18 posted on 03/16/2012 10:42:11 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
Yes, I think all avenues have been/are being used to sell weapons to the drug cartels. Legal sales to the Mexican military, direct sales through the CIA and gun "walking" by the ATF. This is what I think of it...

Let's call it what it is. State-sponsored terrorism.

On this side of the border it's violations of the RICO Act. In Mexico and Honduras it's state-sponsored terrorism.

What else would you call heavily arming international criminal syndicates within a foreign country wherein that country is in a death struggle with those syndicates?

Especially when it goes beyond thousands of assault rifles to include grenades, RPGs, shoulder fired rockets, anti-aircraft guns, night vision equipment, body armor and special deals to bring their drugs onto our soil with legal impunity?

Not to mention the just-revealed news that the rip crew that killed BP Agent Brian Terry was there with DEA and FBI assistance and approval to attack and kill a rival cartel's smuggling crew.

Let's not leave out the FBI and DEA laundering millions of dollars for the drug cartels by setting up bank accounts for them that they otherwise couldn't do. As well as immunity deals for cartel kingpins.

It's organized, it is spread through every Federal LEA and it violates numerous domestic laws and numerous statutes and treaties that deal with foreign nations. Yet none of it has been officially sanctioned. It's the FedGov acting like mafiosa.

0bama, Holder and Hillary Clinton are all deeply involved in this and it is state-sponsored terrorism. These Chicago machine Marxist thugs are dragging our country down to the level of Tehran and Pyongyang.

19 posted on 03/16/2012 11:00:14 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye
Not to mention the just-revealed news that the rip crew that killed BP Agent Brian Terry was there with DEA and FBI assistance and approval to attack and kill a rival cartel's smuggling crew.

What? You've got to be kidding.

Can you find a link?

20 posted on 03/16/2012 11:15:02 PM PDT by marron
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To: TigersEye

http://americannationalistnews.wordpress.com/2011/12/02/the-killing-of-brian-terry-what-really-happened/

Found one. Its worse than I imagined.

My God.


21 posted on 03/16/2012 11:19:09 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
Here is a little more info on that.

FBI Criminal Informant Complicit in Brian Terry’s Death (PJM Exclusive)

The rip crew was in Peck Canyon that evening with the intention of stealing money and drugs from a specific shipment of which they had prior knowledge.

(snip)

The rip crew knew to be in Peck Canyon that December evening because a CI working for the FBI found out about a smuggling run — from the FBI.

(snip)

The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) — through its own CIs and communications intercepts — was also aware of the planned assault.

Neither the DEA nor FBI warned Border Patrol about the expected criminal activity.

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The federal government will still not reveal if one of the two WASR-10 AK-pattern semi-automatic rifles located near the scene — provided to the Sinaloa cartel via Operation Fast and Furious — was the weapon that put a bullet through Brian Terry’s heart. The existence of a third recovered gun, an SKS carbine, has been disputed by the FBI despite the fact it had been talked about openly in the beginning of the investigation among federal agents.

Multiple sources tell PJM that this third weapon “disappeared” because it was the weapon carried by the FBI CI who ran the rip crew. When it was recovered near the scene of the murder and subsequently traced by the ATF, it traced back to the FBI CI via the gun shop in Texas where it was purchased.


22 posted on 03/16/2012 11:19:35 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: marron
If you ever need to do research on this Nachum's List - Gunrunner-Gate is probably the best place to go. Although it is so extensive it can take a while.
23 posted on 03/16/2012 11:23:32 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Thanks. I’ve followed this story and thought I knew a lot about it. Then along comes some detail that just blows my mind.

Its like, however bad you think it is, its worse.


24 posted on 03/16/2012 11:27:33 PM PDT by marron
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To: marron
I'm sure you do know a lot about it and so do I yet I'm equally sure there are scores of pages of material I have missed or just don't have the stamina to read. There are other things going on after all.

This story is stunning in its brazenness and callousness though. I no longer think there is any line this administration would not cross and I see almost no concern for that in the GOP. I believe most of the GOP is now complicit, at least morally, in engaging in a criminal gangster government. Other explanations just can't cut it and no one is offering any anyway.

25 posted on 03/16/2012 11:46:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

“Here it comes....don’t say we didn’t expect it.

Totally predictable. And NRA says Obama’s goal in 2nd term is to disarm us as much as possible.”

Yep! I have no doubt Buckwheat is setting the stage for his full and complete takeover of ALL guns within our borders. He, like the Japanese in WWII, knows that there is a gun behind every blade of grass........Hence, no Japanese invasion, knowing full well a massive army exhisted beyond their capability of destroying. When Buckwheat gets guns gone, he can declare himself “king” and who will be left to challenge that decloration? (I would hope you and I are. My guess is that not all guns get registered, or do they?)


26 posted on 03/17/2012 5:45:47 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: MestaMachine
It’s called ‘direct commercial sales’ and it’s operated by the State Department’s Directorate of Defense Trade Controls (DDTC).”

Is this just an old fashioned kick back thing?

27 posted on 03/17/2012 9:40:02 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Progov; Hostage

I think you meant to post that to Hostage since you quoted him. IMO it’s not possible to disarm America. 250-300 million arms in the hands of 110+ million people is just too big of a job. They can’t even find 15 million illegal aliens and show them the door. The legislation itself would start a war.


28 posted on 03/17/2012 1:53:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: marktwain

They call it balance of trade. I am sure the folks down south went to a few surplus auctions to get the older stuff - plus wanting to do the best to fight the Drug cartel they want the great stuff the US gun makers provide. So they ask for help from our government and get the help by being allowed to buy the stuff from the USA.


29 posted on 03/17/2012 6:36:23 PM PDT by Tubac414 (Just want to ride my Motorcycle)
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