Posted on 03/16/2012 6:29:39 PM PDT by marktwain
I am coming to the conclusion that these things are mutually exclusive.
“Ignoring the Constitution for a moment....”
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Captain: “All Stop”.
We’re just sick of commies having free run of things. It’s time to shut them all down.
First it’s guns...then it’s knives...then come clubs...then rocks....
I’ve learned not to debate with people 1/3 my age. They are almost always wrong, they just have no understanding of why.
I wonder if the people of Syria, Iran, or Greece, etc. had second amendment rights if they and the governments would be in different positions today. Why should we ship weapons to Syria, they can just exercise their second amendment rights .... oh, wait ... dictatorships restrict gun ownership, don’t they. I wonder what future dictatorship the student is about to support.
Alissa......you poor sweet thing. So young, so foolish.
Second Amendment protections were put in place so that the people could shoot operatives of an oppressive government.....not deer.
Fixed it
I’ve learned not to debate with people 1/3 my IQ. They are almost always wrong, they just have no understanding of why.
Whenever an actual conservative debates a liberal, this is ALWAYS true.
As we saw this week with Limbaugh, these people have no problem denying rights to people they disagree with. Whether it’s the 1st or 2nd amendment or any of the others, our rights will be denied unless we vigorously defend them.
Lock up the mentally insane. If they are not to be held accountable for their actions, then they should not be permitted to roam about unobserved.
There is no such thing as a social liberal and a fiscal conservative. Not possible.
Yes, they are mutually exclusive.
I think we need to diagram this sentence for me to completely understand this guy,s meaning. Maybe the answer will disabuse me of my initial reaction, if not, he's an inexperienced idiot.
Those words scribbled on some parchment protects your right to pen drivel such as this.
We must now demonstrate a “good and substantial reason” for wanting to exercise our rights.
Lets apply all gun law logic to say ... abortion.
Or voting.
I know some might read that previous post of mine and think I am slow coming to the game, but I think I have not given enough critical thought to whether one CAN be both of those things at the same time.
I never took the time to examine that basic premise.
I think the basic premise is false. But even more, I don’t believe I have defined those components of the premise.
What is “socially liberal”, and what is “fiscally conservative”?
As in the old saw about defining pornography, on the surface I had not defined them, though I was certain I would know each if I saw them.
And I have found that is true, I can tell it when I see it, though defining those categories is much stickier.
The more I thought about defining those terms, the more variables began to get introduced as I thought them through, until it was a swamp of ideas.
And then it became clear all at once: there was ONE thing that makes “socially liberal” and “fiscally conservative” completely unable to inhabit the same space in a normal person. I think it is a cleavage point. (no, not that kind)
It is Personal Responsibility.
That is the cleavage point that separated the two cleanly. If one phrase defines it, the other is its antithesis.
By its very nature, “socially liberal” demands you must surrender your personal responsibility.
And the obverse is true: “fiscally conservative” demands personal responsibility.
Being fiscally conservative means you aren’t depending on someone else to provide for you...and “socially liberal” encompasses everything else from fiscal to emotional.
Citizens with no criminal record should be able, at will, to carry, concealed or open, any firearm they please, hand gun or long gun, anywhere they please without let or hindrance by government authorities.
I’m with you 100% on this, my FRiend.
Maybe Alissa Gulin ought to have to apply to the government for a license to exercise her freedom of speech.
So that the license can be denied, with no right of appeal.
Because her childish view of the world presents a clear and present threat to my freedoms.
After all, it's just words on an old piece of paper that stand between her and people who would deny her rights, just as it's just words on an old piece of paper standing between "we the people" and dangerous idiots such as Alissa who would so readily take away our rights.
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