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Navy confirms cost overrun on CVN 78
DoD Buzz ^ | 3/15/2012 | Phillip Ewing

Posted on 03/16/2012 7:09:51 PM PDT by U-238

Navy Secretary Ray Mabus confirmed Thursday that the cost overrun for the aircraft carrier USS Gerald R. Ford is projected to reach $1 billion, bringing the ship’s total cost to some $12 billion — but said it’s on track to be delivered on schedule.

The admission took place under questioning from Arizona Sen. John McCain, the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, who pointedly asked Mabus “what have you been doing on your watch” to control the costs on the new ship.

Mabus said the Navy’s deal with shipbuilder Huntington-Ingalls Industries is such that the government has “recovered its fee” for the project, and remainder of the money for the ship will only go to cover its costs. He also said the Navy expected to use the lessons learned on the first-in-class Ford to make sure the next ship, the USS John F. Kennedy, would not have the same types of cost problems.

Would the Navy need to ask Congress for permission to go above the cost cap on the ship? McCain asked. Not this year, Mabus said — but next year, the service will probably have to get special authorization to pay to continue building.

Navy officials had said before that their worst-case scenario for the Ford was a $1.1 billion cost overrun, and that’s what they had planned for internally. But they said they thought the previous public number, $800 million, was probably as bad as it would get, leaving some headroom in their plans for the medium term.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aircraftcarrier; cvn; cvn78; navair; raymabus; supercarrier; usnavy
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1 posted on 03/16/2012 7:09:54 PM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238

What a surprise.


2 posted on 03/16/2012 7:12:08 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: doc1019

I am willing to bet its the EMALS that is causing the cost overrun


3 posted on 03/16/2012 7:13:31 PM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238

“I am willing to bet its the EMALS that is causing the cost overrun”

What is that?


4 posted on 03/16/2012 7:18:59 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

It’s the new electromagnetic aircraft launch catapult that is supposed to replace older steam catapult systems.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_Aircraft_Launch_System


5 posted on 03/16/2012 7:22:58 PM PDT by JerseyanExile
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To: JerseyanExile

Thanks for explaining.


6 posted on 03/16/2012 7:24:56 PM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: U-238

John McCain questioning a Billion dollar over-run is like a worm lecturing an Angel.


7 posted on 03/16/2012 7:31:20 PM PDT by TwoSwords
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To: U-238

I can’t see why. It’s not new technology. It is only linear motors.


8 posted on 03/16/2012 7:38:00 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially denied.)
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To: U-238
With so many new systems and technologies crammed onto one platform (EMALS, DBR, weapons elevators, electrical panels) for reduced manning, you're going to have interoperability problems.

Also, the CVN78 needs 13.8kV shore power, which will cost a couple hundred million to build new substations and rewire piers.
9 posted on 03/16/2012 7:41:51 PM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Me

My guess is a lot of the overruns are because of the falling value of the dollar and increase in metals pricing. How much has steel gone up since the original bid for the ship?


10 posted on 03/16/2012 8:01:17 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: U-238

OMG, this is absurd. Gerald Ford was certainly an affable man but NOT one, IMO, worthy of having a CVN named after him!!


11 posted on 03/16/2012 8:12:47 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: pieceofthepuzzle
EMALS is a electromagnetic catapult that is to replace the steam catapult. to launch airplanes from the new Ford carriers. The technology is to reduce the stress on the planes airframe.
12 posted on 03/16/2012 8:15:25 PM PDT by U-238
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To: DustyMoment

Naming Ships

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/names.htm


13 posted on 03/16/2012 8:16:38 PM PDT by U-238
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To: DustyMoment

Ford serveed on a carrier during WW II - USS MONTERREY
(CVL 26). During the famous Typhoon Cobra Ford was
leading a fire fighting party on the hanger deck to extinguish fires caused by wrecked aircraft. Was almost
swept over the side

Ford had a long and distinguished career, servering on
Warren Commision, as VP then President after Nixon resigned

Always wondering about some of the venom directed against him by many members here


14 posted on 03/16/2012 8:24:56 PM PDT by njslim (St)
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To: U-238

A ship named after Ford. The panderer who tried to eat a tamale in San Antonio without removing the corn husk. That’s just sad. I hope this ship does it’s job better than Gerald “Whip Inflation Now” Ford did his.

Thankfully, I won’t live long enough to see one named after obama. At least I don’t think so.


15 posted on 03/16/2012 8:27:42 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: JerseyanExile

It’s also better because steam (water vapor) is the primary greenhouse gas.

Hehehe, just kidding. That’s stupid.


16 posted on 03/16/2012 8:29:40 PM PDT by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: Terry Mross

On Post number 13 is a brief description on how Navy ships are named.


17 posted on 03/16/2012 8:30:07 PM PDT by U-238
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The prototype wasnt built until 2010 by General Atomics.

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_generic.jsp?channel=dti&id=news/dti/2010/06/01/DT_06_01_2010_p42-228803.xml


18 posted on 03/16/2012 8:32:58 PM PDT by U-238
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To: Blood of Tyrants

the system’s gotta work every time without fail, so it stands to reason the Navy would make sure it right.


19 posted on 03/16/2012 8:35:05 PM PDT by RitchieAprile
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

http://www.edn.com/contents/images/207108.pdf


20 posted on 03/16/2012 8:37:01 PM PDT by U-238
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To: njslim

Because he was one of the worse presidents in history. I lived through his tenure. The only reason he is remembered differently is because of the peanut that followed him.


21 posted on 03/16/2012 8:44:24 PM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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The first ship named after a living person was the USS Carl Vinson


22 posted on 03/16/2012 8:50:48 PM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238
The technology is to reduce the stress on the planes airframe.

That's only one of the many benefits.

23 posted on 03/16/2012 8:54:54 PM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

And you are correct.


24 posted on 03/16/2012 8:57:54 PM PDT by U-238
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To: DustyMoment

Gerald Ford is actually one of the few who should have one named for him. He served on aircraft carriers in the Navy in WW2. That is, if we are going to name them after Presidents.

George H. R. Bush was a Naval flier on aircraft carriers in WW2, so I think he qualifies also.


25 posted on 03/16/2012 9:01:45 PM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: njslim

I agree. He is one of the few who I think should have a carrier named after him.


26 posted on 03/16/2012 9:03:17 PM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: njslim; DustyMoment

No venom here against Ford but I agree with DM that he isn’t worthy of a CVN. Neither is Bush I. Neither is JFK for that matter. But the Navy’s ship naming has become so political (from both D and R administrations) we are stuck with them.


27 posted on 03/16/2012 9:04:06 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: njslim
Always wondering about some of the venom directed against him by many members here

There is no venom directed toward Gerald Ford. As POTUS, he was rather benign and, IMO, not worthy of a CVN. Perhaps a destroyer or some other vessel.

28 posted on 03/16/2012 9:04:16 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: U-238

I’m ex-Navy, I know the criteria for naming ships. I just don’t think that Gerald Ford is worthy of a CVN, just because he was a fill-in POTUS for a couple of years.

He was a nice man but, IMO, didn’t really do anything all that distinguishing for such an honor.


29 posted on 03/16/2012 9:06:44 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

Not many people do not know the criteria of naming ships.So I am informing them. I did’nt.


30 posted on 03/16/2012 9:09:19 PM PDT by U-238
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To: GATOR NAVY
But the Navy’s ship naming has become so political (from both D and R administrations) we are stuck with them.

Thanks, GN, that's the point I was trying to make. You said it much better.

31 posted on 03/16/2012 9:09:52 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: U-238
I am willing to bet its the EMALS that is causing the cost overrun.

Or major plumbing modifications. CVN-77 was the first to carry a newfangled system aboard that has proven to be a curse.

32 posted on 03/16/2012 9:15:03 PM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Charles Martel

Here is a link :
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/checkpoint-washington/post/naval-ship-faces-chronic-toilet-outages-at-sea/2011/11/15/gIQALCZ3QN_blog.html


33 posted on 03/16/2012 9:18:56 PM PDT by U-238
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To: packrat35
He served on aircraft carriers in the Navy in WW2.

Thousands of men served on carriers during WWII. Not all of them merit a carrier being named after them.

Army AF Col. Jimmy Doolittle took a flight of B-25s off the decks of an aircraft carrier to conduct a bombing run over Japan. Most of the crews either ditched and were killed or captured after the raid or they managed to get to China. I'd name a carrier after Col. Doolittle before I'd name it after Gerald Ford.

A difference in whom ones heroes are, I guess.

34 posted on 03/16/2012 10:35:30 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment

I did say “if we are going to name them after Presidents”, and then I said why.

Personally I think Doolittle is an excellent choice myself. I real man among men.


35 posted on 03/16/2012 10:51:19 PM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: DustyMoment

Doolittle deserves it.


36 posted on 03/16/2012 10:58:29 PM PDT by U-238
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To: U-238

The improvements in this new class are going to be very impressive. Was just reading up on the differences tonite.


37 posted on 03/16/2012 11:37:52 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: magslinger

ping


38 posted on 03/17/2012 1:02:23 AM PDT by Vroomfondel
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To: DustyMoment
OMG, this is absurd. Gerald Ford was certainly an affable man but NOT one, IMO, worthy of having a CVN named after him!!

You can thank former senator John Warner for going to SECNAV to get the naming. He wanted it named after his former boss.

39 posted on 03/17/2012 1:18:44 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: njslim
Always wondering about some of the venom directed against him by many members here

Gee it could have been his pick for VP which sure didn't help matters. What was his name again? Oh yea Nelson Rockefeller?

40 posted on 03/17/2012 1:24:05 AM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: U-238; Jim Robinson; Travis McGee

This GMM3 votes with the “OK for a ship...just not a CVN” crowd.

I’d be interested in Jim and Travis’s opinion...please.


41 posted on 03/17/2012 1:37:52 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Vigilantcitizen

I second that


42 posted on 03/17/2012 1:57:29 AM PDT by U-238
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43 posted on 03/17/2012 1:59:32 AM PDT by U-238
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44 posted on 03/17/2012 4:28:22 AM PDT by magslinger (If I wanted to vote for a Commie I would vote for Obammie. He has a chance of winning.)
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To: U-238; packrat35

Here’s what really concerns me about the politically correct way that Naval ships are named. Fast forward 20 or 30 years when the Navy is ready to launch the USS Barack Obama!!

Let that image sink in for a moment. Think about the men and women who will have no choice about serving aboard that ship.

NOW is the time to force the Navy and the Congress to change the way that ships are named so that future servicemen and women won’t have that obligation fall on them!


45 posted on 03/17/2012 2:27:49 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: cva66snipe

I had blissfully forgotten what a cretin John Warner was until I read your post. Thanks and no thanks for the reminder. :-)

I sent this to U-238 and packrat35 and didn’t realize that I had inadvertently omitted you, shipmate. Please accept my apologies.

“Here’s what really concerns me about the politically correct way that Naval ships are named. Fast forward 20 or 30 years when the Navy is ready to launch the USS Barack Obama!!

Let that image sink in for a moment. Think about the men and women who will have no choice about serving aboard that ship.

NOW is the time to force the Navy and the Congress to change the way that ships are named so that future servicemen and women won’t have that obligation fall on them!”


46 posted on 03/17/2012 2:35:06 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: DustyMoment
I agree fully. Another thing happening is this. The carriers that saw major battles or have significant history are not getting carrier namesakes. SECNAV over 20 years ago began giving previous carrier names to designations such as LHD class ships.

The history of the naming of the FORD was this. Several Veterans Associations from various carriers were trying to get the naming including America the ship I was on years ago. Despite those veterans major efforts Senator Warner went to the SECNAV unknown to anyone and had it named after Gerald R Ford whom Warner was Nixon's SECNAV and appointed Director of the American Revolution Bicentennial Administration by Ford.

The Ford years as they related to the military were about like the Carter years. Ford's term was short enough few realize many of the Carter issues began in the Ford years and continued through the Carter years. Ford and Carter in many respects were more alike than different.

My beliefs as to what the Navy should be and should return too are not politically correct. I'll just say this much. When we had a man overboard The Old Man didn't care if you went to Muster in your skivies but that you wasted not a second doing so. As well I went to many a fire bell running down the passageway while dressing.

47 posted on 03/17/2012 5:57:33 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: DustyMoment

Do you REALLY think they will wait 20-30 years to name a ship after obama? I predict less than 10 years myself.


48 posted on 03/18/2012 1:21:29 AM PDT by packrat35 (When will we admit we are now almost a police state?)
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To: cva66snipe
My beliefs as to what the Navy should be and should return too are not politically correct.

Sounds like we have the same unspoken, politically incorrect ideas. I think that political correctness has wusified all of the services to the extent that I would truly be surprised if we could fight a war like WWII, if it ever came to that.

As a former AT, I look at the technical side of the Navy's electronics equipment and the fact that, for PC board level repair, most has to be returned to the manufacturer. Can you imagine that happening during WWII??

"Sorry, Japan, our gun controller is down and we will have to wait a few days to get a replacement. We'll just have to resume the battle of Midway in about a week, is that ok? Thanks for understanding!"

49 posted on 03/18/2012 1:40:02 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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To: packrat35

Well, I based that on the averages but I do see your point. I think a lot will depend on whether or not we can force the issue of zero’s forged, fraudulent documentation.

If we can make that issue come alive and prove conclusively that he was never qualified to be POTUS, that changes the playing field. However, that’s a different topic for a different discussion.

Sticking to the current topic, I can see the potential for such a vessel, but some Dem is going to have to show us where the money is coming from to pay for it. We’re broke and getting broker every day that we allow the Congress to remain in session and the Fraud-in-Chief to issue Executive Orders that bypass the Congress.


50 posted on 03/18/2012 1:46:38 PM PDT by DustyMoment (Congress - Another name for white collar criminals!!)
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