Skip to comments.Murders in France: soldiers banned from wearing uniforms off base after attacks
Posted on 03/16/2012 8:32:49 PM PDT by Cincinna
France on Friday banned soldiers stationed in the southwest from wearing uniform outside barracks after three paratroopers were shot dead in twin cold-blooded attacks.
"Security advice has been given, particularly at the entrances of military bases," an army spokesman told AFP, adding that soldiers "have notably been asked not to wear their uniform outside barracks".
The increased security measures apply to a whole swathe of the southwest, including Toulouse, Montauban, Pamiers and Tarbes, towns and cities that are home to most of France's elite airborne units.
The announcement came as police hunted a black-clad gunman who on Thursday calmly shot three soldiers on a shopping street in garrison town Montauban, taking the time to turn one over to finish him off at close range.
Two of the victims -- parachute sappers aged 26 and 24 -- died on the spot and a third 28-year-old from the same regiment was in critical condition following the attack.
The soldiers were killed opposite their barracks, on a street named after the renowned 1st Shock Battalion. Their unit, the 17th Parachute Engineering Regiment, recently served in Afghanistan.
The attack followed a similar killing of a soldier from another airborne regiment four days earlier in Toulouse, a city 46 kilometres (29 miles) south of Montauban.
(Excerpt) Read more at france24.com ...
RIP to the two fallen soldiers and thoughts and prayers for the surviving soldier’s recovery.
The latest is that all were shot with the same weapon, in different towns.
All were French citizens; three were of North African origin, the other Caribbean. All serving on active duty with France’s elite parachute division stationed in Afghanistan.
After the Mossad, the French Secret Service is the best there is. Hopefully they will solve this quickly, and prevent more incidents.
So far, the speculation is that this was carefully planned, and the motivation might have been from extreme far right racist groups or extreme far left anti military groups.
Funny, never hear racism when a white person dies at the hand of a non-white. Keep the bs coming.
“So far, the speculation is that this was carefully planned, and the motivation might have been from extreme far right racist groups or extreme far left anti military groups.”
And of course there might be the slight possibility of (politically incorrect) scattered speculation that the motivation could have come from Islamists? I know, highly unlikely. More likely that it was done by an AMISH hit squad.
Very interesting. Thanks for posting...(could it be another?)...
...especially given the recent shootings by Afghan military against American servicemen.
Tactically, this might be a wise move, but the authorities better wrap this up quickly, because public relations wise, they’re handing a victory to the perps — whoever they are.
“We scared them right out of their uniforms.”
If they thought the “cheese-eating-surrender-monkey” jokes were bad before, yeeeeesh!
Hell of a way to lose good men. All free world military-and the press that covers them-will have to be wary in the future.
From an investigative point if view, what do these men have in common?
1. They were members of France’s elite Paratrooper unit stationed in Iraq.
2. Three were in military uniform, and Tge fourth had recently placed an ad in a local paper to sell his motor bike, specifying he was military.
3. They were all French citizens
4. Three were of North African origin, one of Caribbean (countries like Martinique and Guadeloupe are part of French DOM-TOM, and they are citizens if France.
This is not a trick question. These were not random acts, but coordinated and targeted.
So, before you call any criminal hypothesis BS, who dunnit and why?
It could possibly be anti- military. There is very strong anti war feeling among the French.
The Islamic terrorist hypothesis is also possible, as all the fallen were members if the paratrooper unit fighting in Afghanistan.
I’ll keep you all posted.
Who done it?
Because they’re Muslims.
Result? The French Army will now surrender.
Why? Because they are led by pussies.
Answer my question first. When is a single white death a racist act, investigator? You epitomize the problem.
Wouldn’t it make more sense to ARM THE SOLDIERS!
I mean really folks!
If taking them out of uniform is such a good idea, certainly dressing in skirts and wearing wigs would be absolutely brilliant.
Grow some already!
It would seem to me to be the act of Islamist terrorists operating in the south of France, IMHO.
If they were North African and Carribean, it is quite possible the men were not white. When I visited Paris, I saw more than one millitary policeman at the airport and train stations that were most definately not white.
That being said, the most likely scenario in my mind is a muslim terror group taking the war in Afghanistan to the home front and targeting military persons. Of course, the far right wing in Europe is a real different animal than the far right here, so if these troops were not white, that could have been why they were targeted. And you cannot dimiss the hard core left being behind this, as Euro-commies have a long history and predisposition for using violence to make a statement. I would put the last two groups ata distant second if I am thinking about perpetrators and motivations, though.
That is not my question. Why when a white kills a non-white it’s racism but when a person of color kills a white racism isn’t mentioned?
Simple solution.....give the soldiers sidearms and tell them not to leave their barracks alone. If these guys are
as elite as they are advertised and allowed to be armed the
bandit might take out one more of them but that would be the
end of his career.
In support of your observation about seeing "policiers" in France who are not white, I would recall that story about a Jewish person at a soccer match in France, who was pursued by a group of French skinheads. A French policeman - who was black - took charge, and shot one of them dead.
Quite complicated politics of race in that scenario.
In these latest killings, it is notable that Sarkozy and others hastily said that the killings were 'not political.' They seem to know something about the background to events. Just speculating - my own view is that this is happening in a region with a very distinct culture. In the south, various types of vendettas and honor killings are well known. If some local has a grudge against the Paras, this might be his way of settling the score.
Because of political correctness ... now, on to the next question ...
Thank you for this article, and please ping me to any more threads.
I wonder if the killer is Basque.
I don’t have any evidence at all to support this. It is just that those towns are all stamping grounds for Basque militants. And a Basque can always rely upon the suppport of their own community, no matter what they might have done. They melt back into their border villages, and sometimes cross the border to Spain.
The first victim's name was Imad Ibn Ziaten, 30 years old and of Moroccan origins. He had recently put an ad in the paper, to sell his car (or motorcycle? "moto" in French) and in that ad he had identified himself as a member of military, in Toulouse, and told callers to ask for "Imad". Anyone reading that ad could work out that this is an Arab member of the Parachute regiment. It is considered possible that he was lured out to meet a potential "buyer."
I thought of a possible Basque connection myself.
Very good detective work. “Moto” is French slang for motorcycle.
Let’s hope this gets solved soon.
Vendetta...you may be correct. But I suspect this is Islamist terror activity to discourage young Muslim men or young men of color from joining the French military.
Many thanks - and the killer rides a motorcycle. What a chilling case.
The weapon, an automatic pistol 11.43mm, is said by Sud-Ouest to be found in the milieu of organized crime. It is not an ordinary gun. The killer dropped the charger at the scene of the crime, but an inspection found no trace of DNA the charger had been totally cleaned. All this seems to indicate some careful planning. Those guns certainly have a reputation.
Back in 2007, Le Figaro, commenting on an outbreak of violence by crime gangs in Grenoble, commented that the weapon was an automatic pistol 11.43mm the signature of a settling of scores.
But I think Basques might have them as well.
Indeed, indeed, wear dresses is what we want them to wear.
Liberal feminists are too incompetent and insecure to let any one of legit worth carry a gun. Many a leader out west would be in prison if it were not for nannization of the military.
What you say is quite possible, and I have been reading comments from the forum of the local newspaper. Some of the locals share your opinion.
That’s .45, presumably .45 ACP, AKA 11.43×23mm.
I wouldn’t think that a particularly common caliber in France.
I visited Nice a couple years ago and happened across a small guns/weapons shop and went in, looked around, and chatted briefly with the proprietor. He really had very, very little on hand, and was very envious of our gun laws.
My memory is that the Legion and Paras could not wear camouflage inside of France since the early 1960s.
I saw camo BDU’s worn by military police, who were carrying assault rifles, walking the concourse at DeGaul airport in May 2001. The other military I saw in France were in greens and similarly equiped.
from The Miami Herald:
Anti-terror police join probe into French shooting
Thank you all for your input.
“organized crime circles”
“regalement des comptes”
All interesting hypotheses. The most frightening would be the teaming up of Mafia and terrorist elements to target members of the French military who have been stationed in Afghanistan.
Which “local paper” are you referring to?
Montauban and Toulouse are in the SW of France.
That would be the reason. The OAS and their attempted coup.
Thanks for those details, most informative. I believe that gun control is quite strict in France, although of course, those outside the law always manage to get weapons.
Le censeur de sud ouest est une merde astronomique.
A lot of posts appear then disappear. Lots of currents of opinion are running.