In praise of (three) modern Doughface Northerners

vanity | 3/17/2012 | BroJoeK

[BroJoeK]

And God bless my late Dad, a south-central Pennsylvania boy who married a Southern girl and raised a large family, all politically alert and concerned.

[BroJoeK]

I welcome your comments, but please keep it polite.
We are all friends here.

[central_va]

I prefer the term copperhead.

[sneakers]

With all due respect, it’s spelled “Pittsburgh”. ;-)

[njslim]

Mother was born in Scranton (hometown of Biden)

Spent several years after college living in Carlisle

[sergeantdave]

I took a military hop once, and we almost landed in Pennsylvania. The pilot, though, couldn’t find a place to land with all the moose and derricks standing around, so he turned the KC-130 around, headed west and landed in Las Vegas. Much better.

Then again, maybe it was Maine we couldn’t land in and we touched down in Texas. Does Texas have long-legged silky ladies? I remember them.

[Vigilanteman]

So, in the long arc or history, Doughface Northerners were essential to Southern Slave Power and thus to preserving the Union itself.

The modern equivalent of slavery is ties to the cheap labor lobby and affection for illegal aliens which supply it. Two of the three candidates with Pennsylvania ties share this affection. One does not. See the link in item #4.

The electoral math, so far, still shows Santorum doing way better than Gingrich.

Seven reasons for Rick Santorum

1. Who has won the most states without the benefit of their own money, last election's organization or a billionaire casino sugar daddy?
   
2. Who is everybody's second choice when he isn't their first?
   
3. Who can get both the Romney people and the Gingrich people, who hate each other, to vote for him?
   
4. Who has the best record on immigration?
   
5. Who has the best plan for repealing ObamaCare? And is the only GOP candidate who didn't help write or approve legislation which helped spawn this fiasco?
   
6. Who has the best plan for expanding the American economy and strengthening American families?
   
7. Who is the closest thing we have to the "generic Republican" which polls show consistently beating Obama and is most likely to make the election about Obama's sorry record rather than about himself?

[muawiyah]

Not really appropriate for the cultural situation.

Pennsylvania was originally settled by Scandinavians but by 1701 they'd been driven out of Lancaster County by Quakers and were re-established in York County, or they moved South to Western and North Central Maryland.

Over the next 100 years that core area expanded West leaving a vast population of people with Norse surnames and no idea about how that happened.

[Flag_This]

"Newt Gingrich: born in Harrisburg, south central Pennsylvania, raised in nearby Hummelstown."

I thought Newt's adopted father was career Army - so how much time did he really spend in PA?

[donmeaker]

Interesting points. I knew Pres. Buchanan retired to Pennsylvania, but the other points were new to me.

Cotton became king because of the cotton gin, invented by Eli Whitney. The first fruits of the industrial revolution had the effect of making an agricultural commodity more valuable. That one man’s productive genius made slavery more productive, just as other men made it more productive with the invention of the Spinning Jenny, automated looms, knitting machines, and even sewing machines.

More recently, the productivity of movies and television cause millions of dollars to flow to Hollywood, due largely to inventions regarding efficient production and distribution. Today’s slavers of the Democratic Party seek to use those technical innovations to promote government institutions that restrict liberty, just as the former slavers sought to protect their favorite institution.

[OldPossum]

With reference to your next-to-last sentence, look at the dictionary and discern the difference between “its” and “it’s.” You will find that “it’s” is the contraction of “it” and “is.” What you should use is the possessive pronoun, “its.”

A very, very common error.

[LS]

I think, seriously, this still stems from the Van Buren-emplaced party system, created in the 1820s with the modern Dem Party, that sought to keep slavery (and, today, truly contentious debates) out of the national dialogue so as to prevent a civil war. Van Buren concluded that no southerner could again win the presidency because of the taint of slavery-—but no northern abolitionist/anti-slave politician could win either. Therefore, he needed a “northern man of southern principles” (i.e., someone who wouldn’t interfere with slavery) or a westerner (westerners were viewed as not “having a position” on slavery).

So, did it work? You betcha, in a sense. From 1828 to 1860, EVERY candidate was either a “northern man of southern principles” who would not discuss slavery or a westerner (Jackson, VB himself, Harrison-—Tyler as veep who comes in due to Harrison’s death doesn’t count, but he was a southern slaveholder-—Polk, Taylor, Fillmore, Pierce, Buchanan). But when you finally get Lincoln, a “northern man of NORTHERN principles,” you get a war. The south perceives that the North will try to legislate against slavery and property rights in slaves (the truly big category).

Well, consider today: why is it we can’t get a “conservative?” The only real conservatives of the 20th century were, arguably Harding, Coolidge, and Reagan. Harding won because Wilson so badly bungled the wartime financing that we were in a deep recession; Coolidge was another veep who then won re-election on his own-—something only Truman and LBJ matched-—and Reagan was . . . a “westerner” who nevertheless had (pardon the expression) “northern principles.” By that I mean, he actually stood for a principle, not just “let’s all get along.” (I certainly don’t mean Reagan had anything in common with today’s RINO NE Republicans).

What does this tell us? Well, possibly that even 180 years later, we are still afraid to debate “elephants in the room,” whether it is slavery, entitlements, debt, or immigration. That “northern men of southern principles” (i.e., Romney, Clinton-—in essence, politically, a “northern man of southern principles”-—Bush, ditto but to a much lesser extent) are in demand because American simply want to avoid the very difficult and occasionally bloody results of an open debate over important stuff.

[BroJoeK]

Flag_This: "I thought Newt's adopted father was career Army - so how much time did he really spend in PA?"

Wiki mentions both, does not give percentages of time, or say which Army bases he lived on -- not that it matters.
To the degree that Gingrich "grew up" anywhere outside an army base, it was Hummelstown, near Harrisburg, PA.

[BroJoeK]

sneakers: "With all due respect, it’s spelled “Pittsburgh”. ;-)"

Hmmmmmmm....
Let's see if I can keep these straight.
In Pennsylvania we have Harrisburg, Williamsburg, Strasburg, Lewisburg, Mechanicsburg and, yes, I think I've got it: Pittsburgh.

;-)

[BroJoeK]

central_va: "I prefer the term copperhead."

No doubt some ante bellum Doughfaces did transmogrify into para bellum Copperheads.

But the vast majority saw the error and joined the Union cause.

[sneakers]

You forgot Saltsburg. :-))

Sneaks

[sneakers]

You forgot Saltsburg. :-))

Sneaks

[BroJoeK]

sergeantdave: "...pilot, though, couldn’t find a place to land with all the moose and derricks standing around..."

Not so many moose in Pennsylvania.
But there are a good many large Elk, not to be confused:

Elk:

Moose:

And, yes, along with Elk in northern PA, you can see rigs, fracking for natural gas.

"Tower for drilling a well into the Marcellus Shale Formation for natural gas, Lycoming County, PA, USA 2009"

;-)

[BroJoeK]

Vigiolanteman: "Seven reasons for Rick Santorum"

So far as I'm concerned, they are all "native sons", and I could support any of them over the current White House incumbent.

[BroJoeK]

OldPossum: "With reference to your next-to-last sentence, look at the dictionary and discern the difference between “its” and “it’s.” You will find that “it’s” is the contraction of “it” and “is.” "

Spell checker won't catch those, but I usually do myself, on the third or fourth review.
This morning time was short and... what can I say?

;-)