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Democratic Senators Issue Strong Warning About Use of the Patriot Act
NY Times ^ | March 16,2012 | Charlie Savage

Posted on 03/17/2012 6:10:25 PM PDT by QT3.14

For more than two years, a handful of Democrats on the Senate intelligence committee have warned that the government is secretly interpreting its surveillance powers under the Patriot Act in a way that would be alarming if the public — or even others in Congress — knew about it.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 112th; congress; democrat; intelligence; markudall; patriotact; ronwyden; secrecy; security; surveillance; tm

1 posted on 03/17/2012 6:10:31 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: QT3.14

Interesting that two Dem Senators seem to be picking a fight with the Obama administration.


2 posted on 03/17/2012 6:19:01 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: saganite
Interesting that two Dem Senators seem to be picking a fight with the Obama administration.

The part time president is giving all politicians a bad name and a bad taste in their mouth.

3 posted on 03/17/2012 6:24:45 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: QT3.14

Don’t yawn about this or you might be under watch.


4 posted on 03/17/2012 6:26:50 PM PDT by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: QT3.14

The Patriot Act is really beside the point; the real issue here is the Thug-in-Chief who lives in the WH.


5 posted on 03/17/2012 6:28:00 PM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: QT3.14

“”The Justice Department has argued that disclosing information about its interpretation of the Patriot Act could alert adversaries to how the government collects certain intelligence. It is seeking the dismissal of two Freedom of Information Act lawsuits — by The New York Times and by the American Civil Liberties Union — related to how the Patriot Act has been interpreted. “””

That sure didn’t stop the NY Times from divulging every aspect of it when W was around. I guess all them investigative journalists are on a four year break.


6 posted on 03/17/2012 6:30:44 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: QT3.14
They said a top-secret intelligence operation that is based on that secret legal theory

Is that the same as double secret probation?

7 posted on 03/17/2012 6:30:49 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT (The best is the enemy of the good!)
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To: Jerrybob
The Patriot Act is really beside the point; the real issue here is the Thug-in-Chief who lives in the WH.

Or is it? Maybe it has to do with all of us out here, wanting to take a free ride on the backs of our Founders for so long that we forgot the price of not winding up with an Obama. We have not been willing to pay that price as it presented in a thousand different ways over our history. Not writing us off here, but we might start to look at ourselves before God as to why that man is where he is (much to our chagrin now).

8 posted on 03/17/2012 6:36:44 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: QT3.14

What do you want to bet that both Udall and Wyden are up for reelection this year? Both are probably seeing in the teabags er leaves that it may not be a good year for ammonites.


9 posted on 03/17/2012 6:38:36 PM PDT by Tupelo ( 2012 TEA PARTYER but no longer a Republican)
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To: QT3.14; All
And who do we have to thank for renewing the Patriot Act last year?

GOP struggles for PATRIOT Act votes

House Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) offered a stern warning to his fellow lawmakers in a closed conference meeting Wednesday at the Capitol Hill Club: Don’t you dare vote no unless you attend Mueller’s briefing and ask your questions.

Bachmann defends vote for Patriot Act after fielding complaints about government over-reach

10 posted on 03/17/2012 6:41:20 PM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: QT3.14

Enjoy the consequences of approving a police state instead of fighting a real war.


11 posted on 03/17/2012 6:45:55 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

12 posted on 03/17/2012 6:48:19 PM PDT by EEGator
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To: ProudFossil
Don’t yawn about this or you might be under watch.

Do you mean more than the fact I have to send about 40 pages of my families detailed personal and financial information that I'm required to send to the IRS next month?

i.e.

A log containing every mile my wife drove on business

What contractors I've done business with and how much I've paid them

Every restaurant I ate in while on business

etc, etc, etc

13 posted on 03/17/2012 6:48:50 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: Jerrybob

People should look a few threads back at the one on BHO’s EO he signed Friday for peace-time martial law!


14 posted on 03/17/2012 6:49:32 PM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: QT3.14

Wyden and Udall.

Frankly, it’s so serious that it’s laughable.

From the article

“The senators wrote that it was appropriate to keep specific operations secret. But, they said, the government in a democracy must act within publicly understood law so that voters “can ratify or reject decisions made on their behalf” — even if that “obligation to be transparent with the public” creates other challenges.

“We would also note that in recent months we have grown increasingly skeptical about the actual value of the ‘intelligence collection operation,’ ” they added. “This has come as a surprise to us, as we were initially inclined to take the executive branch’s assertions about the importance of this ‘operation’ at face value.”

NOW two Dem/Commies are worried about Holder/0bama’s ‘interpretation’? Where do they live, in the War Room bathroom of Stepfordville?


15 posted on 03/17/2012 6:50:42 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: QT3.14
Executive Order: National Defense Resources Preparedness
16 posted on 03/17/2012 6:52:13 PM PDT by tomkat (it's patrick henry time)
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To: llandres

http://epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

SEC. 802. DEFINITION OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.
(a) DOMESTIC TERRORISM DEFINED- Section 2331 of title 18, United States Code, is amended—

(1) in paragraph (1)(B)(iii), by striking `by assassination or kidnapping’ and inserting `by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping’;
(2) in paragraph (3), by striking `and’;
(3) in paragraph (4), by striking the period at the end and inserting `; and’; and
(4) by adding at the end the following:
`(5) the term `domestic terrorism’ means activities that—
`(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
`(B) appear to be intended—
`(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
`(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
`(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
`(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.’.
(b) CONFORMING AMENDMENT- Section 3077(1) of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows:

`(1) `act of terrorism’ means an act of domestic or international terrorism as defined in section 2331;’.

“appear to be intended”

Since Obama and his henchmen appear to think (since he said it) that a great deal of the population intends to (bitterly) cling to its guns (particularly) as well as (for the most part, Judeo-Christian) religion ....
“This could get ugly fast,” says I, as Natalie Main & the Dixie Chicks entered stage-left, on roller skates, nekkid as jay boids.


17 posted on 03/17/2012 7:07:27 PM PDT by tumblindice (our new, happy lives)
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To: QT3.14
Plus, there's the new law this week Hussein signed that prevents any person around a person guarded by the secret service to say anything against that guarded person. The person who speaks will be put in jail and given a big fine. That law was posted today on FR. Evidently, it's up to the president (or other person with secret service protection) to decide if a person is speaking against him/her and gets the person arrested on the spot.

Hitler did the same thing. I think we have reached the time that free speech is dangerous to your health, and I'm serious. This is just the beginning. If Hussein wins reelection, this will get worse and we will be afraid even to write unless it is praising him.

18 posted on 03/17/2012 7:09:54 PM PDT by Marcella (Vote Newt; Newt needs money)
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To: Marcella

Screw them. God-given rights.


19 posted on 03/17/2012 7:17:45 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: QT3.14

it must have been when Bush was President. They damn sur would not say a word about anything this imposter that currently occupies the White House does or says.


20 posted on 03/17/2012 7:17:48 PM PDT by sport
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To: ALPAPilot
Do you mean more than the fact I have to send about 40 pages of my families detailed personal and financial information that I'm required to send to the IRS next month? ...

And I am sure they asked if you have any guns in your house. And then asked if they were loaded. Next they are going to ask if we have any porn movies in the house.

21 posted on 03/17/2012 7:18:53 PM PDT by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: avenir
Not writing us off here, but we might start to look at ourselves before God as to why that man is where he is (much to our chagrin now).

Dittos and Amen
22 posted on 03/17/2012 7:44:12 PM PDT by OneVike ((Just a Christian waiting to go home) internet ID:: impeachobamanow)
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To: QT3.14

The Patriot Act was supposed to be used to catch evil terrorists which is why the left hated it. This will be used to destroy law abiding enemies of the left which is why the left (that automatically means 99 % of media) is silent.


23 posted on 03/17/2012 7:54:11 PM PDT by MtnClimber (New 0bama Folks Wagons will run on Higgs Bosons.)
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To: ProudFossil
And I am sure they asked if you have any guns in your house. And then asked if they were loaded. Next they are going to ask if we have any porn movies in the house.

I assume they know I have guns since they made me fill out the paperwork when I bought them. I assume if we don't have any porn and condoms we are now liable for a fine?

24 posted on 03/17/2012 7:56:06 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: QT3.14

I don’t here them complain about personal privacy when it’s related to the IRS, which makes the patriot act pale by comparison.


25 posted on 03/17/2012 8:34:54 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: ALPAPilot
... I assume if we don't have any porn and condoms we are now liable for a fine?

Only if you paid for the condoms.

26 posted on 03/17/2012 8:45:44 PM PDT by ProudFossil (" I never did give anyone hell. I just told the truth and they thought it was hell." Harry Truman)
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To: ProudFossil
"Don’t yawn about this or you might be under watch."

I already am...

Document from Holder's DOJ...

27 posted on 03/17/2012 9:42:15 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: Jerrybob
The Patriot Act is really beside the point; the real issue here is the Thug-in-Chief who lives in the WH.

I see the real problem is that too many people are fine with police state measures like the Patriot Act as long as they think 'their' thug will be Chief. They never consider what will happen when power inevitably shifts.

28 posted on 03/17/2012 9:44:13 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Tupelo

Pretty bad bets. Udall is up for re-election in 2014 and Wyden in 2016.


29 posted on 03/17/2012 11:19:22 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: QT3.14

the last time Congressional Dems started poking their noses into the Patriot Act, anthrax started showing up in their mailboxes.


30 posted on 03/18/2012 5:06:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: saganite
Interesting that two Dem Senators seem to be picking a fight with the Obama administration.

When socialists reveal their true agenda, it is their supporters that recoil in horror at first. Then, those former supporters are sent to the gulags.

It happens in every socialist takeover throughout history.

31 posted on 03/18/2012 6:42:57 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)
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To: shelterguy

They are only saying this because they know
a republican will be president shortly.
If Obama was going to be reelected you wouldn’t
hear a word out of them.


32 posted on 03/18/2012 6:45:39 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: All

Even Hitler’s friends started turning on him.


33 posted on 03/18/2012 6:52:46 AM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: LucyT

ping...


34 posted on 03/18/2012 8:24:24 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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