Skip to comments.What's With All of the Executive Order's Flying Fast?
Posted on 03/18/2012 1:35:36 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache
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What’s there to worry about?
The end of the United States of America as we know it is coming fast and the Constitutional process for making laws and governing is not going to give Obama and Soros the new nation they wish to create.
Well there are some holes in the plan unless the un is going to involved...
Number one the population has not been disarmed.
Number two, the nazis and communists had loyal troops that they kept for two reasons...they either offered them privileges that made them haves who oppressed the have nots, or they pitted them against another “race”.
Getting American troops to take part in oppressing themselves and their own families wont fly because soldiers and their families have been made very methodically into have nots by the govt for a very long time.
They are also sworn to protect us from enemies both foreign and domestic and they know this.
Third, nationalization only works as long as there is money to fund it.
There is no one left to tax unless you enslave the population which would route you back to my previous points.
so either George Soros and the UN are fixin to take us down, or Obama and the globalists are in for one of the most disappointing social experiments in history.
Either way, better go get lots of ammo and beans and rice and put it in Tupperware.
Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!
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The drumbeat of Bolshevik Dictator Baby-Doc Barak continues to grow louder - - - .
And will not be. Can you imagine disarming the State of Texas?? Not going to happen.
Agenda 21 at work.
>>Well there are some holes in the plan unless the un is going to involved...
>>Number one the population has not been disarmed.
Most of the “armed population” is scared and weak, and not willing to sacrifice their lives for others.
>>Number two, the nazis and communists had loyal troops that they kept for two reasons...they either offered them privileges that made them haves who oppressed the have nots, or they pitted them against another race.
The police unions, all the other unions, the NBPP, segments of the military, and foreign invaders/”guests” will support Obama.
>>Getting American troops to take part in oppressing themselves and their own families wont fly because soldiers and their families have been made very methodically into have nots by the govt for a very long time.
Just offer to make them less of a have-not than the people they oppress. Threaten to make them a have-even-less if they don’t play ball.
>>They are also sworn to protect us from enemies both foreign and domestic and they know this.
Just brainwash them into believing that we are the domestic enemy. It won’t be 100% effective, but all the two items above have to do is get the remainder of the military to just sit on their hands until the civil government is sorted out.
>>Third, nationalization only works as long as there is money to fund it.
Price controls, wage controls, food shortages, energy shortages, jackbooted thugs on every corner, and fiat currency supported by the rest of the marxist nations in the world (aka, the UN) will fund the conversion.
>>There is no one left to tax unless you enslave the population which would route you back to my previous points.
so either George Soros and the UN are fixin to take us down, or Obama and the globalists are in for one of the most disappointing social experiments in history.
Enslaving the population is easy as long as you can starve/freeze the ones who don’t play along. Low, stagnant wages with inflation combined with “subisidies” for those who cooperate will go a long way in a short time.
>>Either way, better go get lots of ammo and beans and rice and put it in Tupperware.
They are counting on us not fighting until its too late.
One of the best responses I ever got on FR about gun ownership in Texas was to “get a phonebook.”
I agree 1000% with you. Something is up.
...the little boy king knows he’s in trouble with American voters.....just picture a trapped RAT....desperation.
I can’t imagine why FReepers would imagine that law enforcement or the military are some sort of repository of moral will. Such an instance would seem to be an anomaly in world history.
And most of those lifetime NRA members would easily give up guns rather than give up their Social Security checks.
Let’s be clear about this - Obama cannot legally ‘suspend’ the Constitution and declare himself ‘President for life’. We at the very least set a legal precedent in the Civil War that the Union cannot be ripped asunder by secession, and if true then it would apply in both directions.
The Constitution is a compact between the states that can only be suspended by constitutional convention. No one individual is given that power - even the President. All power given to the office, whether law, regulation, executive order is derived from the Constitution. Any attempt to suspend it would mean the office of President, and all powers with it, would immediately vacate him and he would devolve right away into something between a treasonous subversive to a domestic terrorist.
This is especially true if Obama tried to stay in office beyond January 21st 2013 without being re-elected. At that point no citizen, govt employee, public official, or member of the military has any obligation to follow any order or decree issued by him. In fact, Obama and any that follow him would be subject to the very interpretations of the Patriot Act set forth by the Obama administration, including imprisonment without trial and summary execution.
No state, or Governor of such state, will be bound to obey any directive from Obama or supply troops in support of his actions. The govt headed by Obama would be considered Outlaw and treated like a foreign invading power, whatever force necessary can be legally applied to resist that power.
All public officials, govt bureaucrats, and those in the military should heed that. If you decide to follow this man beyond his term of office, you both have no authority to back up your actions, and no protections from the consequences of your decisions. You again will be at best treasonous subversives, or at worst domestic terrorists, and subject to all provisions and penalties under the laws of the United States of America.
Any of the above reading this, you might want to think long and hard about what you are doing. You can promulgate all the legal theories you want, but they all leave you when you leave the Constitution. You have no protections whatsoever except the barrel of a gun, and I think you will quickly find you are widely outnumbered in that department.
As I understand it, his pardon power is unlimited. He could pardon, say, every male in every prison in the United States and there’s nothing anyone could do about it. Wouldn’t most of those so pardoned be grateful enough to enlist in his Civilian Defense Corps, especially when three hots and a cot, an M-16 and a spiffy uniform are thrown in?
“Just updating previous such orders.....” Nothing to see hear. Move along. Move along
With Sheriff Arpaio investigation to show probable cause for identity fraud, document forgery, social security fraud, it appears that the Criminal-in-Chief is getting set to seize total control of the citizens of the USA
And Americans once wondered how did a free people in Germany allow themselves to be taken over by a demonic leader...
That won't happen. The Attorney General will arrest him, and.....oh...wait....
if you’ve already seen the article / subject before getting pinged by the ‘nut-job conspiracy’ list...
does that mean your tinfoil is a bit too tight?
thanks for ping
0bama told us he would do this back in 2010.
My UPS delivery guy informed me last week that he has been delivering more ammo than normal since the first of the year. A lot more ammo. IMIM193 5.56 55gr is almost impossible to find and IMIM855 5.56 62gr is getting extremely scarce.
I think it is very telling that Ben Shapiro (name right?), Breitbart editor, is going to continue “vetting” Zero but no the forged docs since “no one is interested” or something. Read it on some thread today.
IMHO that is proof Breitbart was taken out. It wasn’t about the videos, maybe; but about his connecting up with Arpaio.
This is designed to overwhelm Americans. To drive us into either fealty to the feds or revolt.
Of this I am certain, he will not go quietly into that good night.
Be prepared!...for he is preparing.
Curiouser and curiouser.....
Don’t worry about it. Its just a Marxist takeover.
What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
Yep, exactly what I thought when I read about Executive Order 13602.
Searched for it, zero responses. Indication it is very new, or the search terms have been removed.
You're right to a certain degree. Personally, I am not willing to die for anyone who voted this madman-bastard into office; let the chips fall where they may where those people are concerned.
Another element I'm not willing to die for is the so called conservatives that just got involved only after the monster was elected. Many are on here and for the first few months were actually bragging about not voting for McCain, well, because it just went against everything they believed in. So they now have their principles fully in tact don't they?
I don't know what your answer is or when the so-called 'armed population' is suppose to act. What do you have in mind? Just when exactly should the sacrifice begin in your opinion?
Couple of things that is in my own personal philosophy is from Patton. The movie recounted many of his own personal speeches but I'm not sure this one, whether it was Hollywood or Patton but still is pertinent about the subject of dying/sacrifice imo:
"I want you to remember, that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it...by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country."
Don't know when the green light will come on but I have a feeling that many of us will know exactly the time to act.
We have the gutless wonders in Congress to thank for this as well. The system has failed dramatically and completely due to the fear you spoke of. We are on our own.
Yep, 2 weapons for every man woman and child in the state.
Apparently he decides if and when Congress gets to be in session; apparently he decides parts of laws to NOT implement (isn't that a line-item veto by other means?).
Personally, I am not willing to die for anyone who voted this madman-bastard into office; let the chips fall where they may where those people are concerned.
Another element I’m not willing to die for is the so called conservatives that just got involved only after the monster was elected.
To hell with them. And I would not join our military today.
If they bring back the draft, I’ll help some of the Draft
What a great invention, Tupperware. Saw the documentary they made about it the other day, again. Doubt they’d allow someone to tinker around and make it today on their own.
Obama has said he’s going to do as much as he can without having to involve Congress.
Further he is pushing Agenda 21 crap. Goes hand in hand with the State Dept Pub. 5277 “Freedom from War” document.
That's my take on it. The Progressives are trying to overwhelm the system, overload it to the point of breakdown. A lot of the arbitrary application of the law is designed to foster distrust of authority. The OWS creates a feeling of chaos just crying out for a Kent State moment by the overloaded police, or a violent reaction by a citizen. Either way, the government wins by having an excuse to suspend more civil liberties.
This president is the front man for a Progressive movement to advance socialism/communism, and he has done a superlative job in that respect. IMHO, the intent is to see if they can't use their momentum to get the nation well beyond the tipping point, so that whatever happens, we can't get back to our Constitutional Republic.
Folks say Obama is incompetent. As President, he has thoroughly failed to live up to his oath of office (and should have rapidly been impeached, but for our recumbent Congress -- another story), but I maintain that he has been a supremely successful Community Organizer. He, and those running him, have masterfully read the condition of our country and played it to perfection (for their cause).
We’re now under a Marxist dominated Oligarchy. The American “Nomenclatura” is in place.
When I saw Bush 41 and Jeb Bush yucking it up with the evil bastard in the Oval Office just a month ago, I knew. It made me sick.
Bush’s are not yukking up nothing now
Not as much as some have claimed or for the reasons claimed, but it is still a matter of substantial concern.
Many of the initial articles took a chicken little approach. However, analysis of the Executive Order, and particularly of one added ambiguity, along with what President Obama has been able to do thus far, suggest that particularly under President Obama, the Executive Order can be a big problem.
Excellent point! There are too many loopholes.. Over the decades we’ve had Progressives on both sides of the isle give themselves power over the Constitution and power over us.. Their last blow to our Constitutional Republic will be swift.. Before we know it they’ll have complete power of us like a typical Dictatorship.. Oh, wait... Uh oh.
>>You’re right to a certain degree. Personally, I am not willing to die for anyone who voted this madman-bastard into office; let the chips fall where they may where those people are concerned.
I agree. Most Americans aren’t worth dying for. Of course, you don’t die in battle for our country or fellow countrymen. You die for your comrades-in-arms next to you. But, we don’t have the organization for that, do we? When they come for your neighbor that you barely know, will you stand and risk death and/or imprisonment for him? Of course not. That goes against human nature.
>>I don’t know what your answer is or when the so-called ‘armed population’ is suppose to act. What do you have in mind? Just when exactly should the sacrifice begin in your opinion?
That is the million dollar question. When is the right time? Move too early, and you’re a lone-wolf nut or an extremist. Move too late and you are a twig in a hurricane. The bottom line is that we are still comfortable and we aren’t going to give that up to fight a state that holds all the cards: police, military, endless databases, forensics, surveillance cameras, snitches in every militia and right-wing group, control of your family’s wealth and housing, etc.
To be honest, we have to lose to win. Hide your weapons after the communist conversion (because it won’t be a revolution because a revolution would give us cause to act) and wait for the misery level to get too much for productive people to take it any longer. All the “Internet Tough Guy” posturing will dissolve in the face of the first wave of communist “reforms”. We need to get to the “nothing to lose” point before we’ll rise up. Obama knows that. Soros knows that. The GOP-E knows that. Everything is designed to take our freedoms while keeping us above the rebellion point.
At this point, we need to learn the Rules for Radicals and steal the Occupy movement from the left. In fact, we need to enlist the working Democrats into our ranks. They stand to lose as much as a working class Republican in the coming communist conversion.
The Tea Party is nice try, but it’s too civil. It’s too well-behaved. The Leftist Elite (in both parties) laugh at our pathetic attempt to protest like we’re at a church social.
Who needs to govern in conjunction with Congress when E.O. are so easy to do...
No legislative debate, no accountability, no need to compromise....
Remember he "Won" so it's OK / S
I remember people like you claiming those of us who were upset by taking prayer out of schools were conspiracy theorists. I remember people like you who thought those of us who cautioned about the FDA taking control of agriculture were conspiracy theorists. I remeber as each step was taken for more and more government intrusion people like you said there was nothing to worry about. I don’t much worry about what people like you say any more. You people have been proven wrong so many times I can’t keep count.