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BGE to begin smart meter installation in May
The Baltimore Sun ^ | March 18, 2012 | Hanah Cho

Posted on 03/18/2012 3:01:05 PM PDT by RedMDer

Starting in May, Baltimore Gas and Electric Co. will begin installing "smart meters" in a huge undertaking intended to modernize Central Maryland's electricity grid and save customers money by helping them control energy use. ...

"We look at this as the most transformational change in the electricity grid in the last 100 years," said Mark D. Case, BGE's vice president of strategy and regulatory affairs. "It is really not overstating it to describe it in those terms."

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


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BGE customers who still have concerns currently cannot opt out of the smart-meter project. The Maryland Public Service Commission, however, plans to consider at a hearing in May whether to require the state's utilities to have an opt-out provision.
1 posted on 03/18/2012 3:01:11 PM PDT by RedMDer
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To: All

More transformational change where we can’t opt out.


2 posted on 03/18/2012 3:04:02 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: RedMDer

“..save customers money by helping them control energy use...”

Gee, I wonder what ‘control energy use’ means.


3 posted on 03/18/2012 3:11:19 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew

>>>Gee, I wonder what ‘control energy use’ means.

It means they can “pull the plug” on you at their will by sending a signal to the meter.


4 posted on 03/18/2012 3:14:32 PM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: lacrew

Exactly. They already know what the usage is for each customer.


5 posted on 03/18/2012 3:15:52 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: RedMDer

More government takeover of people’s lives. Denying people the right to set their thermostats to what is comfortable to them.

I wonder if Obama still has the Whitey House at 80 degrees in the winter?

Cause he is from Hawaii dontcha know.


6 posted on 03/18/2012 3:16:58 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest

He can do WHATEVER he WANTS, and don’t you ever forget that, you unruly peasant!!;)


7 posted on 03/18/2012 3:19:56 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: dforest

You mean, the White Shack, no?

Or as other FRpers put it, the White Hut.


8 posted on 03/18/2012 3:20:25 PM PDT by Levante
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To: Keith in Iowa
".........they can “pull the plug” on you at their will by sending a signal to the meter."

They've been able to do that for years. These new meters are digital and the user is able to "track" their power use daily, keep a log of it. I've had one for years, and it's been very helpful. But now they want radio transmissions to track it from their headquarters. My big objection is the radio waves it introduces to your home.

9 posted on 03/18/2012 3:25:59 PM PDT by EggsAckley ( There's an Ethiopian in the fuel supply ! ! ..)
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To: RedMDer

Florida Power and Light is also deep into the installation project. Over 500 unskilled jobs will be lost as a result. It makes economic sense but the unprecedented automation - e.g. rubbish pickup has gone down from a truck with three men to only one operating the truck and barrel lift - is quickly making unskilled labor a thing of the past. Heaven help the unschooled inner city youth.


10 posted on 03/18/2012 3:26:34 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Limbaugh: Tim Tebow miracle: "He had atheists praying to God that he would lose.")
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To: NonValueAdded

I opted out here in SoCal, at least until they do whatever the heck they want. They’ve done our neighborhood but mine has opt out tag on it. I just don’t trust anything this government says will “help me.”


11 posted on 03/18/2012 3:31:39 PM PDT by RGF
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To: Levante

“Or as other FRpers put it, the White Hut.”

I thought it was “The White Crib.”


12 posted on 03/18/2012 3:31:55 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: RedMDer
When I live in MD some years ago, I voluntarily agreed to have BGE install a smart meter. It did actually save me a lot of money over time in usage and I got a monthly rebate for participating as did the programmable thermostat that I installed myself. I never noticed any down side. But that was as I said, voluntary at the time.

I also installed programmable light switches that turned off and on according to my schedule whether I was at home or not. Being a single woman, I liked coming home into a house with some lights on especially in the dark winter months without having to burn electricity all day long when I didn’t need to.

13 posted on 03/18/2012 3:33:12 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Heh, heh, good one!!!


14 posted on 03/18/2012 3:40:43 PM PDT by Levante
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To: RedMDer
While stationed at Ft. Benning in early 1990’s I remember the base purchased power at a discounted rate for the year. The caveat was that if the base came close to exceeding their power usage they would cut power to the AC in the Enlisted Housing. This would last for up to nine hours on some really hot days.
Some of the Enlisted Wives confronted the Housing Office and were told everyone was sharing the hardship. During one such outage the Wives went around and found out that Officer Housing still had power, and that caused a big stink. When confronted a new policy was adopted that power would only be off for up to four hours and all Base Housing would share the burden.
I wonder if this smart metering is a way to force people to not exceed their allowed maximum power usage. Of course exceptions will be applied to those who have been deemed important.
15 posted on 03/18/2012 3:42:28 PM PDT by soupbone1
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To: RGF

We went on a delayed installation list, but that will go away after April. If we want to opt out after that, we get a one time fee of $75 and $10 a month charge for the privilege of not having a smart meter. Seems they are better as tracking parasitic useage and most bills go up. I detest SCE because they shorten and extend our days between readings, and because we are three tiered, we inevitably get to pay more per kilowath hour on the 35 day readings. If the smart meters eliminate that problem it’ll be a small miracle.


16 posted on 03/18/2012 3:42:33 PM PDT by pacpam (action=consequence and applies in all cases - friend of victory)
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To: RedMDer

It appears as though the electric companies have figured out that people are going to be able to afford and pay for the energy rates we are going to get from Barry the Kenyan Guy and his EPA energy gestapo. Whatever happened to America? The Obama voters sure need their asses kicked for causing this crap.


17 posted on 03/18/2012 3:43:44 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (The first lesson you learn as a pollster is that people are stupid. - Dem pollster, Tom Jensen)
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To: dforest

I was talking with a local HVAC guy here. He told me of a NEW regulation that is going into effect later on this year. Before the inspector can sign off on an installation he MUST install a programmable thermostat and is SHALL be programmed for certain temperatures. I think it was 65 for heat and 78 or 80 for cool. I’m not really sure about the settings.

He was angry about it because many of his customers will balk at a new installation if they can’t keep their old thermostat. He said he could teach them how to program it after the inspection but not before hand. Just another set of intrusive regulations as far as he was concerned.


18 posted on 03/18/2012 3:45:52 PM PDT by The Working Man (No child left behind should be: No Child left a dime.)
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To: Levante

Well,,,, all my Black buddies refer to their domicile as their “Crib.” That’s old slang, going back at least 40 years.


19 posted on 03/18/2012 3:47:30 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: MD Expat in PA

There is almost always someone at home here and I really don’t like the idea of a radio transmitter attached to our house. Besides it should be none of the energy company’s business how much I want to spend in electrical or gas power. Evidently they now want to make their business.


20 posted on 03/18/2012 3:55:55 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: RedMDer

We’ve had those for quite a while down here in Georgia...you know, “Tobacco Road”, “Crackerville”...hey, it’s St. Crackers Day today down here. Hold muh beer!


21 posted on 03/18/2012 3:59:26 PM PDT by FrankR
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To: RedMDer

NJ tried that on a voluntary basis. People signed up and within one year most of them opted out. Why? When one powers down the AC not all AC units can handle that resulting in damaged AC. Other problem is when the AC is powered down that it generates only luke cool air in the ducts, the vent ducts condensate water damaging wall sheet rock and cause mold growth. One customer had drippings from a vent above his electrical panel that he almost failed to sell his house when the inspector found rust spots on his electrical panel. BGE will end up with lawsuits for damage if they impose these smart meters on customers. If mold growth caused health problems to the customer the damage can be even worst.


22 posted on 03/18/2012 4:01:28 PM PDT by Fee
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To: RedMDer

I pay for a smart meter but don’t have one.


23 posted on 03/18/2012 4:04:19 PM PDT by PAR35
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To: RedMDer
There is almost always someone at home here and I really don’t like the idea of a radio transmitter attached to our house. Besides it should be none of the energy company’s business how much I want to spend in electrical or gas power. Evidently they now want to make their business.

I don’t disagree with you one bit. It should not be mandatory. I however found it was a good fit for me and saved me money as I lived alone and worked. Honestly the times I was a home during the day and worked from home, which was quite often at my last job, I noticed very little difference and had my programmable thermostat programmed such as the heat or air was turned down anyway and if I found it too hot or too cold, I could still override the thermostat and the smart meter and set the temperature to where I wanted. It’s not as if BGE is going to completely turn off the air or heat at their whim.

24 posted on 03/18/2012 4:04:48 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: Fee

Good points. It also takes a lot of energy to cool a hot house and warm a cold one. IMHO, it is better to set it and forget it.


25 posted on 03/18/2012 4:05:00 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: MD Expat in PA
I know some people here that already have it voluntarily and they were not happy when they got home at the end of the work day and then tried to cool the place down on the hottest day of the year last summer. BGE apologized in the news that night.
26 posted on 03/18/2012 4:09:16 PM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: lacrew
Gee, I wonder what ‘control energy use’ means.

It means cutting your arsssss off when they feel like it. New form of civil disobedience punishment when you get out of line. Don't need no stinking court order, just shut up and don't mess with us.

27 posted on 03/18/2012 4:11:00 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: RedMDer; Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...
Smart Meter sez: I'm sorry, it's 95 degrees outside, and there's too much electrical demand for me to allow you to use the air conditioner...

Maryland "Freak State" PING!

28 posted on 03/18/2012 4:11:49 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: RedMDer
I set the air at 78 sometime in May and leave it until September or October.

With my electric baseboard heat, I do manually turn it down in the kitchen/living room at night (the dog doesn't care) but leave the bedrooms/baths at one temp (somewhere around 60).

We have Delmarva Power and so far we get the offers in the mail for smart meters, but nothing mandatory yet from MD.

29 posted on 03/18/2012 4:12:04 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: RedMDer

I thought I had a smart meter but I am beginning to wonder what I have. What I have allows the electric company to read my meter, first from the street without coming around into my back yard, and now I think they can read it from their office. What I have is great and has nothing to do with turning my a/c or heat off.


30 posted on 03/18/2012 4:17:31 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: RedMDer

We got our smart meters a couple of years ago. That is when we started to research alternative electrical energy systems. We are planning a move out of the burbs soon and have found our alternative system. So when the power company shuts down our electricity because we have exceeded our alotted, rationed KW’s for the month we will just pull a switch and be back in business. Its coming folks.


31 posted on 03/18/2012 4:17:33 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Logical me

The transmitter may be tied to a computer with a voter registration data base... just saying.


32 posted on 03/18/2012 4:21:42 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
In truth at times of peak power demand, extremely high or low temps, most power companies cut back or in extreme circumstances institute rolling brown outs. During extremely hot spells I can tell when they do as my lights dim a bit. I recall one winter in MD in the early 90’s when the temps plummeted well below zero for many days on end followed by back to back severe ice storms. BGE cut off power to certain areas for about 15 to 20 minute increments so as not to have the whole grid go down.

As crappy as it was to have the power go off a few times a day for short periods I’d rather they did that than being without any for days at a time.

33 posted on 03/18/2012 4:24:13 PM PDT by MD Expat in PA
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To: lonevoice

ping


34 posted on 03/18/2012 4:25:40 PM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: lacrew
Gee, I wonder what ‘control energy use’ means.

About the same as Moochelle telling you what you can and can't eat.

35 posted on 03/18/2012 4:31:32 PM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: RedMDer
big oil, bad. big grid, good.

double-standard-alert.

36 posted on 03/18/2012 4:33:07 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (knowledge puffeth; information deludeth.)
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To: Abby4116

I shred those offers every single time,


37 posted on 03/18/2012 4:39:14 PM PDT by sauropod (You can elect your very own tyranny - Mark Levin)
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To: RedMDer

Really IMO the only reason for the so-called “Smart Meters” is to eliminate costly meter reading jobs for the power companies, and to comply with U.N. restrictive energy use goals for AGW aka; “Climate Change”.

Part real in cost reductions, yet quite unreal in the sheer idiocy of the fantasy of AGW.

Getting the U.S. out of the U.N., or at least getting the ICLEI the “H” out of our State’s affairs would be advantageous to remaining a free nation.


38 posted on 03/18/2012 4:50:23 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: sauropod

I shred them too.


39 posted on 03/18/2012 4:58:34 PM PDT by Abby4116
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To: RedMDer

Put them in the White House first since the Dictator in Chief insists on keeping the White House warm while telling taxpaying Americans they are not permitted to just set their thermostat at whatever temperature they want.


40 posted on 03/18/2012 9:20:12 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (Barack Obama continued to sponsor Jeremiah Wright after he said "G.D. AMERIKKA!"Where's the outrage?)
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To: RedMDer
The article indicates that the smart meters do not control use. The meters just make it easier to collect useage data, i.e., a meter reader doesn't have to come and misread the analog meter attached to your house.

People using a lot of grow lamps in their basements for herb production should probably be concerned. The smart reader is also harder to bypass.

41 posted on 03/19/2012 4:42:47 AM PDT by Jimmy Valentine's brother (Near term Obamacare 'Unit")
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To: RedMDer

Why would one want to opt out? There will be big cost savings by eliminating all the meter readers,their vehicles and the personnel needed to manually process the data.

I have such a meter and it poses no threat, neither real nor imagined


42 posted on 03/19/2012 4:50:33 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: RedMDer

Don’t you have a hand held radio transmitter called a cell phone? The system is essentially a cell phone that transmits preprogrammed data.


43 posted on 03/19/2012 4:55:09 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: bert

The meter doesn’t pose a threat, just as turning in our guns poses no threat, just as relinquishing control of anything you use poos no threat.

The threat will come later when the masses are impotent to resist the controlling authority.

FWIW, I agree there are cost savings associated with remote meter reading, but coupled with motion detector switches and timer switches, which also may be monitored by others, the privacy of each citizen is being stalked.

It is now feasible to identify the exact location of every person on military bases simply by controlling their energy management systems. Great intel tool if one were an adversary of the Constitution.

Since the motives to install these are economic, why aren’t the costs to install also included in their economic analyses?

Why perform $200-$2000 in materials and labor while inviting huge public relations liabilities to save no more than $2-20 in power?

Why interrupt the normal utility cycles with higher dynamic transients in demand metrics when larger utility systems are more reliable with slower changing systems?

There are more significant arguments against their distribution and use than supporting them. Additionally, they empower centralized control and allow communication of previously private information.

No more hiding places for Anne Franks.


44 posted on 03/19/2012 5:25:48 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr

Life is for living, not for fearing


45 posted on 03/19/2012 5:28:38 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: bert

Exactly. Great argument for not installing such invasive technology.


46 posted on 03/19/2012 5:39:23 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: EggsAckley

So you do not see it as the way for the utility to limit your use? Or perhaps you enjoy the idea of outside control of your home and your own ability to ‘control’ your energy usage?

Out here in the boonies of east TN, when we want to control our energy use, we use those little wall thingies, I think you might call them ‘switches’ or somesuch.

Perhaps you will also welcome a mandated engine governor for your vehicle that can be monitored and adjusted to give you the very best milage while you drive?

What does it look like down there under all that sand?


47 posted on 03/19/2012 9:59:22 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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