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Obamacare premise is just wrong
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | March 18, 2012 | by Ilya Shapiro

Posted on 03/18/2012 5:02:00 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

Next week, the Supreme Court takes up the Obamacare litigation, the heart of which is the issue of whether the federal government can constitutionally force people to buy health insurance.

The question of whether Congress could, by using its constitutional power to regulate interstate commerce, require people to buy something would have been laughably easy. Obviously it can't: sitting around doing nothing, or even deciding not to buy something, is neither commerce - traditionally defined as trade or exchange, so not even agriculture or manufacturing counts - nor anything interstate.

And so if we can all be subject to economic mandates merely because everyone is "already in the market," then the Constitution's limits on federal power are meaningless. We're all in the market for transportation, so why not a mandate to buy an American car the next time the automobile industry is in crisis? Diet and exercise have a greater effect on taxpayer spending on health care than rates of ownership of health-insurance policies, so why not a broccoli or gym-membership mandate?

The government has failed to articulate a meaningful, judicially administrable limit to its power - or even to give examples of what lies beyond it - so it must lose.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; constitution; deathpanels; individualmandate; obamacare; scotus; scotusobamacare; zerocare

1 posted on 03/18/2012 5:02:04 PM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I still don’t understand why anyone would want the federal government involved in their healthcare. Other than maybe in a small, watchdog type role.

2 posted on 03/18/2012 5:03:35 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I disagree to some extent.

The democrat party has given unlimited power to unelected monsters, who can mandate any damned thing they want.

If the democrats can order Catholics to murder babies, there is no limits on their extra-Constitutional power.

3 posted on 03/18/2012 5:07:18 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The premise that Obama adheres to--socialism is good, whitey and his Constitution are bad, Christianity belongs to Whitey, hatred is the solution--is wrong!

He will collapse. The question is, how many and how much will he take down with him.

4 posted on 03/18/2012 5:09:00 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
The crux of the argument is that, no matter what, you WILL at some point in your life be a consumer of health care and, therefore, must purchase it now under force of law.

This is obviously correct if you first accept the fact that we - not just every penny we ever have - are government property .

(see tagline)

5 posted on 03/18/2012 5:09:48 PM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Typed using <FONT STYLE=SARCASM> unless otherwise noted)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

There is also the separability issue. If it is unconstitutional for the federal government to force people to buy insurance, does that mean that Obamacare is entirely null and void, or does it just mean that the rest of it stays in place, except for that one thing.

One judge said that the whole thing must be thrown out, because the dummies in the Senate didn’t put anything in about separability when they wrote the bill.

Another decision says that it is separable anyway, and only the mandate should be thrown out.

Even though the mandate is so central that it’s hard to see how it can work without it, I hope and pray that SCOTUS will do the right thing and throw the whole damned thing out. Because otherwise the Dems will cheat and steal and play games, and pretty soon we’ll have Obamacare shoved down our throats again regardless.

6 posted on 03/18/2012 5:10:11 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

Sorry, I should have said “severability.”

7 posted on 03/18/2012 5:15:08 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SuzyQue

Obamacare is far more than a federal health insurance policy, it’s a form of redistribution and unionization of workers in 1/5 of our economy. The Democrats are already most of the way there, all that they don’t have are the insurance workers, themselves.

Almost all the hospitals have been unionized under the SEIU, already. Think about that as a political voting block, against us, the tax payers. If anyone thinks that this is a tax cutting bill, they had better think again.

If people think that the unionized TSA workers are unpleasant, wait until the SEIU hospital workers start flexing their muscles.

8 posted on 03/18/2012 5:27:56 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Agreed, Eva. I was addressing the basic premise.

9 posted on 03/18/2012 5:34:52 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: Cicero

I think they leeft out severability intentionally, because without the mandate, the whole thing collapses.

10 posted on 03/18/2012 5:36:18 PM PDT by mkmensinger
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

Until now, Sellers could be prohibited from selling something, they could be forced to sell something. Until now, buyers could be prohibited from buying something but could not be forced to buy. So Obamacare captures that final frontier. Now government have acquired unlimited and unrestricted powers under commerce clause.

Ironic that liberals want no government intrusion in sexual and gender realms but otherwise seek highly intrusive government in every other aspect of life. They deserve to be given taste of their own medicine.

11 posted on 03/18/2012 5:36:46 PM PDT by kp2hot
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To: SuzyQue

...and my comment was really rhetorical, just restating the obvious.

12 posted on 03/18/2012 5:36:50 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
We all need housing too. Don't think there aren't high ranking rodents who wouldn't happily march Freepers into barracks housing, complete with concertina wire perimeter and security towers.

For our comfort and protection of course.

13 posted on 03/18/2012 5:38:52 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: Eva

“wait until the SEIU hospital workers start flexing their muscles.”

and the 10,000-15,000 new IRS agents...IIRC.

14 posted on 03/18/2012 5:51:49 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: socialismisinsidious; GailA; SunkenCiv; Just A Nobody; Clintonfatigued; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; ...

Good legal piece by Ilya Shapiro of the Cato Institute, giving a strong argument as to why Obamacare is UNCONSTITUTIONAL.

Pleasantly surprised that an MSM organ such as the Philadelphia Inquirer would afford him the opportunity to express his anti-Obamacare views on their site.

15 posted on 03/18/2012 6:00:58 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: SuzyQue

are you kidding me
think what a wonderful job they have done with education and housing//sarc

16 posted on 03/18/2012 7:19:31 PM PDT by genghis
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To: genghis


17 posted on 03/18/2012 7:34:42 PM PDT by SuzyQue
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To: justiceseeker93; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks justiceseeker93.

18 posted on 03/18/2012 9:10:06 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: Aevery_Freeman

We all use Health Care at Some point in Our lives,So what?We are doing that now and will Continue to. Some people cant afford to Pay and so we Pay 50 dollars for an Aspirin to pay for the Unfortunate.
So Now the Government is going to at the point of a Gun FORCE us to Buy Insurance so NO one will be taking advantage of the system,hello,the peopele who cant pay now are not going to be able to pay with Obamacare either,so guess who gets to pay for the unfortunate again? Thats right the same people tax payers,so what the Hell has Changed? Your rights have been confiscated.
Why not let Insurance companies sell policies across state Lines, Let Doctors offer services themselves,get tort reform, Health Savings accounts,Competition!!! Oh well we know the Insurance companies dont want Competition thats why they signed on to Obamacare even though it is going to Put them Out of Business and then the Government cant take Control of your Lives Completely. This is all BS

19 posted on 03/19/2012 4:14:17 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer; All
Thanks for posting!

"The government has failed to articulate a meaningful, judicially administrable limit to its power - or even to give examples of what lies beyond it - so it must lose."

The writer is speaking, one must assume, of "the government," as in this particular case, "the Administration," or, "the Justice Department"--for it is not "the government" which articulates "limit to its power." It is "the People," described by Justice Story in his "Commentaries on the Constitution," as the only "KEEPERS" of the Constitution, who did that, through the provisions and protections of their Constitution.

As the Supreme Court deliberates, the occasion provides a wonderful opportunity for "the People" to read Justice Story and other Justices who have defended the Constitution's limits on behalf of liberty for individuals.

As to attempts to "fundamentally change" America by ignoring or challenging "the chains of the Constitution" (Jefferson), intended to "bind them down" (again, Jeffferson), reproduced here is an essay, reprinted by permission, on the idea of whether ours is a "living Constitution."

Do We Have
A Living

"Until the people have, by some solemn and authoritative act, annulled or changed the established form, it is binding upon them collectively, as well as individually; and no presumption or even knowledge of their sentiments, can warrant their representatives [the executive, judiciary, or legislature]; in a departure from it prior to such an act." - Alexander Hamilton

In the first of the eighty-five "Federalist Papers," Alexander Hamilton emphasized that:

"... it seems to have been reserved to the people of this country, by their conduct and example, to decide the important question, whether societies of men are really capable or not of establishing good government from reflection or choice, or whether they are forever destined to depend for their political constitutions on accident and force."

The Framers knew that the passage of time would surely disclose imperfections or inadequacies in the Constitution, but these were to be repaired or remedied by formal amendment, not by legislative action or judicial construction (or reconstruction). Hamilton (in The Federalist No. 78) was emphatic about this:

"Until the people have, by some solemn and authoritative act, annulled or changed the established form, it is binding upon them collectively, as well as individually; and no presumption, or even knowledge of their sentiments, can warrant their representatives in a departure from it prior to such an act."

The Congress, unlike the British Parliament, was not given final authority over the Constitution, which partly explains why the judicial authority was lodged in a separate and in­dependent branch of government. In Britain the supreme judicial authority is exercised by a committee of the House of Lords, which is appropriate in a system of parliamentary supremacy, but, although it was suggested they do so, the Framers refused to follow the British example.

The American system is one of constitutional supremacy, which means that sovereignty resides in the people, not in the King-in-Parliament; and the idea that the Constitution may be changed by an act of the legislature--even an act subsequently authorized by the judiciary--is simply incompatible with the natural right of the people to determine how (and even whether) they shall be governed.

Unlike in Britain where, formally at least, the queen rules by the grace of God (Dei gratia regina), American government rests on the consent of the people; and, according to natural right, the consent must be given formally. In fact, it must be given in a written compact entered into by the people. Here is Madison on the compacts underlying American government:

Neither civil society (or as Madison puts it, "the people in their social state') nor government exists by nature. By nature everyone is sovereign with respect to himself, free to do whatever in his judgment is necessary to preserve his own life - or, in the words of the Declaration of Independence, everyone is endowed by nature with the rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of a happiness that he defines for himself. Civil society is an artificial person (constituted by the first of the compacts), and it is civil society that institutes and empowers government. So it was that they became "the People of the United States" in 1776 and, in 1787-88, WE, THE PEOPLE ordained and established "this Constitution for the United States of America."

In this formal compact THE PEOPLE specified the terms and conditions under which "ourselves and posterity," would be governed: granting some powers and withholding others, and organizing the powers granted with a view to preventing their misuse by the legislative, the executive, and the judicial branches alike. WE THE PEOPLE were authorized by natural right to do this, and were authorized to act on behalf of posterity only insofar as the rights of posterity to change those terms and conditions were respected. This was accomplished in Article V of the Constitution, the amending article, which prescribed the forms to be followed when exercising that power in the future.

The Framers had designed a constitutional structure for a government which would be limited by that structure - by the distribution of power into distinct departments, a system of legislative balances and checks, an independent judiciary, a system of representation, and an enlargement of the orbit "within which such systems are to revolve" And to the judges they assigned the duty, as "faithful guardians of the Constitution," to preserve the integrity of the structure, for it is by the structure (more than by "parchment barriers") that the government is limited. It would he only a slight exaggeration to say that, in the judgment of the Founders, the Constitution would "live" as long as that structure was preserved.

The Enduring American Constitution

Now, almost 200 years later, one can read Hamilton's words in Federalist No. 1 and conclude that, under some conditions, some "societies of men" are capable of "establishing good government," but that most are not. This is not for lack of trying; on the contrary, constitutions are being written all the time - of some 164 countries in the world, all but a small handful (seven by the latest count) have written constitutions - but most of them are not long-lived.

In September 1983, the American Enterprise Institute sponsored an international conference on constitution writing at the Supreme Court of the United States; some twenty-odd countries were represented. With the exception of the Americans, the persons present had themselves played a role - in some cases a major role - in the writing of their countries' constitutions, most of them written since 1970. Only the con­stitution of the French Fifth Republic predated 1970; and the Nigerian, so ably discussed and defended at the 1983 conference by one of its own Framers, had subsequently been subverted, much as the four previous French republican constitutions had been subverted. It would seem that many peoples are experienced in the writing of constitutions, but only a few of them - conspicuous among these the people of America - have an experience of stable constitutional govern­ment. In that sense, we surely have "a living Constitution." That is not, however, the sense in which the term is ordinarily used in the literature of constitutional law as shall be explored herein.

Treating The Constitution As
A Thing Without Form or Substance:
New Definitions Of 'Living'

In the language of many today, a "living Constitution" is not first of all one that is long-lived; rather, its longevity is a secondary or derivative quality which is attributed to its "flexibility" or better, its "adaptability." It is this quality--"adaptability"-- that allows it to be "kept in tune with the times," as the members of this school of thought sometimes say. According to them, a living Constitution is first of all a protean constitution - one whose meaning is not fixed, but variable.

In this respect, it is similar to the Constitution as understood by the "judicial power" school. Some judicial power advocates go so far as to say that, until the judges supply it in the process of adjudication, the Constitution has no meaning whatever. Here are the words of judge Lynn D. Compton of California, writing in 1977 in the pages of the Los Angeles Times:

"Let's be honest with the public. Those courts are policy-making bodies. The policies they set have the effect of law because of the power those courts are given by the Constitution. The so-called "landmark decisions" of both of U.S. Supreme Court and the California Supreme Court were not compelled by legal precedent. Those decisions are the law and are considered "right" simply because the court had the power to decree the result. The result in any of those cases could have been exactly the opposite and by the same criteria been correct and binding precedent.

"In short, these precedent-setting policy decisions were the products of the social, economic and political philosophy of the majority of the justices who made up the court at a given time in history .."

So extreme a view of judicial power is not likely ever to be expressed in the official reports; there (perhaps in order to be dishonest with the public) even the most inventive judge will claim to be expounding the Constitution, if not its ex­plicit provisions then, at least its emanations, penumbras, or lacunae (Griswold v. Connecticut). What is of interest is that a judge should be willing to express it anywhere - for what it means is that a constitutional provision can be interpreted, but not misinterpreted, construed but not misconstrued. More to the point here is that it means that the Constitution is a living charter of government only because it is repeatedly being reinvented by the judiciary.

The 'Living Constitution' school and the 'Judicial Power' school may be indistinguishable at the margins, but they derive from unrelated and distinct sources. 'Judicial Power' is a product or an extension of legal realism, the school of thought whose advocates, from the beginning of the twentieth century, have argued that the essence of the judicial process consists not in interpreting law, whether statute or constitutional, but in making it. Its advocates today speak with a certain nonchalance of "creating" constitutional rights (Moore v. City of East Cleveland), and, when pressed to cite their authority for doing so are likely to point to the work of contemporary legal theorists like Ronald Dworkin and his book Taking Rights Seriously . It is Dworkin who has purportedly given this sort of "constitutional lawmaking" what it has always lacked ­ a philosophical underpinning. As he sees it, rights cannot be taken seriously until there has been "a fusion of constitutional law and moral theory," and to make it clear that he is not referring to any particular moral theory that may have informed the Constitution as written, he finishes that sentence by saying that that fusion "has yet to take place."

As it turns out, however, the moral theory he propounds, and which he hopes to "fuse" with constitutional law, proves to be nothing more than a fancy way of justifying what the judge Comptons among us have been doing all along. And what they have been doing is, essentially, treating the Constitution as a thing without form or substance, except insofar as it authorizes the judges to give it substance.

The living Constitution school also claims to have a source more venerable than legal realism or Ronald Dworkin - justice John Marshall. A former president of the American Political Science Association argues that the idea of a " 'living Constitution'...can trace its lineage back to John Marshall's celebrated advice in McCulloch v. Maryland (1819): 'We must never forget that it is a Constitution we are expounding...intended to endure for ages to come, and consequently to be adapted to the various crises of human affairs' " The words quoted are certainly Marshall's but the opinion attributed to him is at odds with his well-known statements that, for example, the "principles" of the Constitution "are deemed fundamental [and] permanent" and, except by means of formal amendment, "unchangeable" (Marbury v. Madison). It is important to note that the discrepancy is not Marshall's; it is largely the consequence of the manner in which he is quoted - ellipses are used to join two statements separated by some eight pages in the original text. Marshall did not say that the Constitution should be adapted to the various crises of human affairs; he said that the powers of Congress are adaptable to meet those crises. The first statement appears in that part of his opinion where he is arguing that the Constitution cannot specify "all the subdivisions of which its great powers will admit;" if it attempted to do so, it would "partake of the prolixity of a legal code" (McCulloch v. Maryland), In the second statement, Marshall's subject is the legislative power, and specifically the power "to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution" the explicitly granted powers.

Neither Marshall nor any other prominent members of the founding generation can be 'appropriated' by the living Constitution school to support their erroneous views. Marshall's and the Founders' concern was not to keep the Constitution in tune with the times but, rather, to keep the times to the extent possible, in tune with the Constitution. And that is why the Framers assigned to the judiciary the task of protecting the Constitution as written.

They were under no illusions that this would prove to be an easy task. Nevertheless, they had reason to believe that they had written a constitution that deserved to endure and, properly guarded, would endure. Hence, Madison spoke out forcefully against frequent appeals to the people for change. Marshall had this Madisonian passage in mind when, in his opinion for the Court in Marbury, he wrote:

At this point, it is well to remember Hamilton's strong warning about unwarranted presumptions by those in government of a power to depart from the people's established form as quoted in the title of this essay.

Marshall referred to the "principles" which he called "permanent," and the "basis on which the whole American fabric has been erected" Yet Marshall also chose to address the much broader issue of the general scope of the national powers. The Constitution must be construed to "...allow to the national legislature that discretion, with respect to the means by which the powers it confers are to be carried into execution, which will enable that body to perform the high duties assigned to it, in the manner most beneficial to the people." It is these powers, not the Constitution, which are flexible and adaptable to meet the crises of "human affairs."

Ironically, the very case cited by the "living Constitution" school, when properly read, demonstrates that John Marshall, at least, saw, no need for flexibility in the Constitution.

Summary: Do We Have A Living Constitution?

What has been undertaken here has been providing (within a very brief compass indeed) an accurate statement of the principles underlying the American Constitution: pointing to (but by no means elaborating) the political theory from which they derive and the constitutional conclusions to which they lead. Among the latter is the untenability of the proposition that constitutional limitations can be jettisoned, constitutional power enhanced, or the constitutional divi­sion of powers altered, by means other than formal constitutional amendment.

It will not be argued that it may sometimes be convenient to allow the Senate to originate a bill "for raising revenue," but convenience is not a measure of constitutionality. There is much to be said in favor of the legislative veto - Who would, in principle, deny the need of checks on administrative agencies? - but, as the Supreme Court correctly said, the Framers anticipated that Congress might find reason to employ such devices and, when designing the so-called "presentment clause" in Article 1, Section 7, forbade them ( Immigration and Naturalization Service v. Chadha). And from a particular par­tisan perspective it is understandably frustrating, simply because the required number of states had not yet ratified the Equal Rights Amendment, to be denied the power to pro­mote the cause of sexual equality; but frustration alone cannot justify a judicial attempt to preclude the necessity of for­mal ratification, as Justice Brennan is said to have wished to do. In Frontiero v. Richardson (411 U.S. 677, 1973) the Supreme Court was divided on the issue of whether sex, like race, should be treated as a suspect classification. We are told that Justice Brennan circulated a draft opinion in which he proposed to declare classification by sex virtually impermissi­ble and that he knew this would have the effect of "enacting" the pending ERA. "But Brennan was accustomed to having the Court out in front, leading any civil rights movement," a major publication stated. Hence, we are further told, he saw "no reason to wait several years for the states to ratify the amendment." No reason, that is, other than the fact, which Brennan implicitly acknowledged, that the Constitu­tion as then written, and which had not yet been rewritten by the only people authorized to rewrite it, did not support the role he would have the Court hand down.

Those who would use "convenience" or "frustration" as reason, or who insist that it lies within the powers of the Court (or the Congress or the Executive) to effect constitutional change, can be charged with a lack of respect for the principles on which, as Marshall wisely observed: "the whole American fabric has been erected."

We are told that it is unreasonable - even foolish - to expect that the Framers could have written a Constitution suitable alike for a society of husbandman and a society of multinational corporations, to say nothing of one as well adapted to the age of the musket and sailing ship as to the age of intercontinental nuclear-tipped missiles. As the problems have changed, the argument goes, so must the manner in which they are confronted and solved, and the Constitution cannot be allowed to stand in the way. Indeed, there is no reason to allow it to stand in the way, we are told, because the Framers intended it to be flexible. And we are told that John Marshall would support this position. But it was Marshall, in McCulloch v. Maryland, who stated: "Throughout this vast republic, from the St. Croix to the Gulf of Mexico, from the Atlantic to the Pacific, revenue is to be collected and expended, armies are to be marched and supported." The United States, in this view was not intended to be a simple society of husbandmen, and Marshall Clearly saw that the Constitution empowered Congress to do what was required to meet the crises of the Republic, and to maintain the Constitutional structure intended by the Framers, changing it only when such change would be in keeping with the structure itself.

That the American Constitution is long-lived, has enduring qualities, and was intended for the ages cannot be doubted. That it was founded on enduring principles, and that it was based on the authority of a people who are sovereign has been attested to by many of its leaders. That it can be changed when, and if, the people ordain such change is a part of its own provisions. For these reasons, it can be said to be a "Living Constitution" - but let that not be claimed by those who would use the language to subvert the structure.

Our Ageless Constitution - Part VII (1987 & reprinted 2008) (Publisher: W. David Stedman Associates; W. D. Stedman & La Vaughn G. Lewis, Eds.) ISBN 0-937047-01-5       (Essay adapted by Editors for publication in this Volume in consultation with Dr. Walter Berns from Berns' article by the same title in National Forum, The Phi Kappa Phi Journal, Fall 1984)

20 posted on 03/19/2012 9:33:20 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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