Skip to comments.Amendment to highway bill sideswipes Little Tobacco
Posted on 03/18/2012 6:01:05 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Nobody mentioned tobacco last week when the U.S. Senate adopted an amendment to the $109 billion federal highway bill.
But tucked into the 5,600-word amendment to provide aid for rural schools was a single paragraph that would settle a two-year-old fight between Big Tobacco and a small Ohio company that builds a do-it-yourself machine that allows smokers to get their cigarettes a lot cheaper.
The amendment would reclassify tobacco shops that offer the machines as tobacco manufacturers, imposing on them new regulations and higher taxes, and it opens a window into the ways of Washington, where the powerful and the connected can sometimes win even before the opposition knows the game is underway.
This is catastrophic, was the response of Phil Accordino, whose tiny company builds the roll-your-own cigarette machines in Girard, Ohio, when he heard of the Senate action. Word arrived in Ohio after the amendment had already been approved on a bipartisan vote.
Officials with the tobacco companies, and allies who include some public health advocates, counter that theyve been trying to crack down on ultra cheap and unregulated cigarettes, which they contend skirt tax and health laws.
Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), who sponsored the Secure Rural Schools amendment, said that the $346 million program supports schools and road projects in Montana and elsewhere. He said the $97 million tobacco provision helps provide critical funding for the program by closing a loophole that some smokers have been using to avoid taxes.
Enjoying a tax loophole
Roll-your-own cigarette machines take advantage of an unintended tax loophole, and that isnt right, so this offset closes it, he said in a statement.
But Accordino says the case illustrates how corporate America can quietly use its political influence in Washington to secure wins on the business battlefield.
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Corporate-Scum Nanny-State PING!
Thank you for posting this thread.
I almost left my tobacco seedlings outside for the night, and they can't yet handle the cool evenings.
Oh, and the nanny staters can sod off.
No, but if you have a machine to help them knit the yarn into sweaters, you might be classified as one.
We are, not so slowly, heading for the tipping point.
I have been rolling my own for about 5 years now...Then the idiot canadian female governor AKA a democrat put a 25 dollar tax on a one pound bag of loose cigarette tobacco. Pipe tobacco is just a little larger cut and makes a nice cigarette...no 25 dollar tax on pipe tobacco..
This last election went to the republicans and they are only just a little bit better...Michigan is not a business friendly state...
Smokers are much better people than control freaks.
Attaching unrelated bullcrap to what some people see as necessary legislation used to be called "logrolling" and was strictly illegal.
We need to get back to that.
LOL Accordino! The increase on pipe tobacco is next.
Even though the anti-freedom people would love to use the power of the state to ram through their version of 'the right way to live'
Maybe not, but if they can't tax it, they can damn sure regulate it. Tobacco is now under the purview of the FDA.
Right out of Hitler and Stalin’s playbook as penned by Marx.
To paraphrase the late, great Andrew Breitbart, "war".
Not that I care, that much. Any government that wants that fine of a control is gonna crash and burn on it's own. I've seen government at work, up close and personal.
Couldn't find their ass with a flashlight and instructions.
“The increase on pipe tobacco is next.”
Harry Reid will get that for you somehow.
Freeloading 99%ers are always looking for ‘somebody else’ to pay for their government freebies.
You used to be amusing, now your just an annoying gnat(zie) buzzing around in the business of others and just like the rest of that species deserve nothing more than swatting.
Don’t cry. You’ll be OK.
Believe me, I’m not the one doing the crying, nor will I ever be. Silly wabbit..............
It is also legal to make your own lemonade, but it is illegal to sell it or allow anyone else to consume it, so be careful.
Why is this not a "taking"?
I'm going to be abusive to jerks that try to take basic freedoms that have been here since the Mayflower landed. ;)
Would you care for a home-made beer? I'd swap a few for a pound of backstrap.
Who said I was addicted to tobacco. I don’t smoke, smartass. I just support smoker freedom.
And you pimp nanny statism. I prefer the former.
Thanks for the ping!
Why are you on this forum? It’s not the place for you!
Are you STILL here, shocked you haven’t been banned yet. How do you get so abusive and avoid being banned??
It's NONE of my damn business, nor is it any anti-tobacco fanatic's, either.
Thanks Tolerance Sucks Rocks.
I am 100% against this, but I wish these articles would be more clear as to the type of machines. I have been discussing this with my smoke shop owner and he believes that it is only for the “mass producers” located in the smoke shops and NOT for the RYO machines that we use in our homes.
That said, I am sure it is just a matter of time before they hit our home machines. Stock up now!
Your smoke shop owner is correct. This has been happening piecemeal in various places and it is the usual suspects (namely Philip Morris) that are pushing this to force these small smoke shops to be labelled manufacturers for taxation purposes.
Do you know if the ammendment discussed in this article named a specific brand of machine or did they name a machine capacity?
It’d be interesting....If it is the latter, I can see many ways to overcome that little hurdle. If the former, then I could see a lawsuit coming...
Nice to see you FRiend. To bad it is on these types of threads with certain liberty stealing FReepers.
I believe they only name a type of machine, no specific brand. There was another article about this, but I don’t remember if it was here or not.
It all boils down to what PM wants PM gets. They’ve been getting tobacco shops with these machines - or at least the machines- shut down everywhere they can find them.
It’s good to see you as well. I read/lurk a fair amount, but don’t post nearly as much as I used to do.
Oh, I am with you. I routinely walk through the grocery store with an UNLIT cigarette just to clear the fat chicks out of the candy aisle.
I would surely do that, but for some reason, I have not drawn a permit in the last several years (supposedly on a lottery basis). The reason might be that the in-state resident permit costs tens of dollars and the out-of-state non-resident permit costs hundreds of dollars. Plus they make the out-of-state hunters hire an outfitter and I am my own outfitter. So, there you have it.
Phillip Morris’ concerns are misplaced. They have made a strategic decision that it is easier to manipulate the U. S. Congress to act against these niche entrepreneurs than it is to persuade the U.S. Congress to repeal what they have already done and get out of the nanny-state business altogther. Truly an unholy alliance and one that demonstrates that we the people have allowed the various governments to seize way too much power.
No, my dear FRiend, you are underestimating the goal of PM - which is to control, through government fiat, the tobacco industry in all of its form.
PM welcomes the nanny-state with open arms. PM knows they are safe as long as they go along with anything any level of government desires - they put up token resistance, but that is just for show. They know as long as they eventually appear to be caving they will continue to exist and be the de facto tobacco monopoly.
Or as TGO would describe what both of you are saying, this is CRAPITALISM! Crony Capitalism, which is just as offensive to individual liberty as marxism...