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Amendment to highway bill sideswipes Little Tobacco
The Washington Post ^ | March 17, 2012 | Rosalind S. Helderman

Posted on 03/18/2012 6:01:05 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Nobody mentioned tobacco last week when the U.S. Senate adopted an amendment to the $109 billion federal highway bill.

But tucked into the 5,600-word amendment to provide aid for rural schools was a single paragraph that would settle a two-year-old fight between Big Tobacco and a small Ohio company that builds a do-it-yourself machine that allows smokers to get their cigarettes a lot cheaper.

The amendment would reclassify tobacco shops that offer the machines as “tobacco manufacturers,” imposing on them new regulations and higher taxes, and it opens a window into the ways of Washington, where the powerful and the connected can sometimes win even before the opposition knows the game is underway.

“This is catastrophic,” was the response of Phil Accordino, whose tiny company builds the roll-your-own cigarette machines in Girard, Ohio, when he heard of the Senate action. Word arrived in Ohio after the amendment had already been approved on a bipartisan vote.

Officials with the tobacco companies, and allies who include some public health advocates, counter that they’ve been trying to crack down on ultra cheap and unregulated cigarettes, which they contend skirt tax and health laws.

Sen. Max Baucus (D-Mont.), who sponsored the Secure Rural Schools amendment, said that the $346 million program supports schools and road projects in Montana and elsewhere. He said the $97 million tobacco provision helps provide “critical funding” for the program by closing a loophole that some smokers have been using to avoid taxes.

Enjoying a tax loophole

“Roll-your-own cigarette machines take advantage of an unintended tax loophole, and that isn’t right, so this offset closes it,” he said in a statement.

But Accordino says the case illustrates how corporate America can quietly use its political influence in Washington to secure wins on the business battlefield.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Montana; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: amendment; ban; bigtobacco; highwaybill; littletobacco; loophole; maxbaucus; nannystate; philaccordino; regulations; rollyourown; rollyourowncigs; secureruralschools; senate; taxes

1 posted on 03/18/2012 6:01:22 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Eric Blair 2084; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; traviskicks; bamahead; CSM; ...

Corporate-Scum Nanny-State PING!


2 posted on 03/18/2012 6:03:15 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Shameless A**holes!!


3 posted on 03/18/2012 6:04:59 PM PDT by Forrestfire (("To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society." Theodore Roosevelt))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
So, if I sell yarn AND knitting needles, I'm a clothing manufacturer?
4 posted on 03/18/2012 6:07:16 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1153 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
they’ve been trying to crack down on ultra cheap and unregulated cigarettes,

Thank you for posting this thread.

I almost left my tobacco seedlings outside for the night, and they can't yet handle the cool evenings.

Oh, and the nanny staters can sod off.

/johnny

5 posted on 03/18/2012 6:12:41 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: null and void

No, but if you have a machine to help them knit the yarn into sweaters, you might be classified as one.


6 posted on 03/18/2012 6:22:08 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
So a hand loom qualifies, doesn't it.

We are, not so slowly, heading for the tipping point.

7 posted on 03/18/2012 6:24:56 PM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Loophole....a politician's word for a speck of freedom left in a bill...

I have been rolling my own for about 5 years now...Then the idiot canadian female governor AKA a democrat put a 25 dollar tax on a one pound bag of loose cigarette tobacco. Pipe tobacco is just a little larger cut and makes a nice cigarette...no 25 dollar tax on pipe tobacco..

This last election went to the republicans and they are only just a little bit better...Michigan is not a business friendly state...

9 posted on 03/18/2012 6:37:02 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Drango
Bummer. Sucks to be a smoker.

Smokers are much better people than control freaks.

10 posted on 03/18/2012 6:53:01 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I can order any damn thing I want from overseas and they can't search every parcel.
And the RATs can't search every parcel. Goodbye more American jobs
and hello China.
11 posted on 03/18/2012 6:55:08 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Some poor sucker just put one of those where I live. Just used it. Smoking the product now.

Attaching unrelated bullcrap to what some people see as necessary legislation used to be called "logrolling" and was strictly illegal.

We need to get back to that.

12 posted on 03/18/2012 6:57:45 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Drango
Hey Drango, please don't go off on another one of your Anti-smoking tangents.
We've already heard your spew about smokers.
13 posted on 03/18/2012 6:57:58 PM PDT by MaxMax
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To: MaxMax
The most straightforward way to close the loophole would be to raise the federal tax on pipe tobacco to the same level as cigarette tobacco. Accordino said he would not object to that.

LOL Accordino! The increase on pipe tobacco is next.

14 posted on 03/18/2012 6:59:59 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: goat granny
They can't tax what you grow yourself.

Even though the anti-freedom people would love to use the power of the state to ram through their version of 'the right way to live'

/johnny

15 posted on 03/18/2012 7:09:02 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Drango
Sucks worse to be a pro-tax nanny state sissy.

/johnny

16 posted on 03/18/2012 7:12:56 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
They can't tax what you grow yourself.

Maybe not, but if they can't tax it, they can damn sure regulate it. Tobacco is now under the purview of the FDA.

17 posted on 03/18/2012 7:15:45 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Right out of Hitler and Stalin’s playbook as penned by Marx.


18 posted on 03/18/2012 7:16:36 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Drango
LOL Accordino! The increase on pipe tobacco is next.

To paraphrase the late, great Andrew Breitbart, "war".

19 posted on 03/18/2012 7:19:30 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper
Currently, it is still lawful to grow your own.

Not that I care, that much. Any government that wants that fine of a control is gonna crash and burn on it's own. I've seen government at work, up close and personal.

Couldn't find their ass with a flashlight and instructions.

/johnny

20 posted on 03/18/2012 7:20:02 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Drango

“The increase on pipe tobacco is next.”

Harry Reid will get that for you somehow.
Freeloading 99%ers are always looking for ‘somebody else’ to pay for their government freebies.


21 posted on 03/18/2012 7:23:20 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Drango

You used to be amusing, now your just an annoying gnat(zie) buzzing around in the business of others and just like the rest of that species deserve nothing more than swatting.


22 posted on 03/18/2012 7:27:02 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

Don’t cry. You’ll be OK.


23 posted on 03/18/2012 7:28:16 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Drango

Believe me, I’m not the one doing the crying, nor will I ever be. Silly wabbit..............


24 posted on 03/18/2012 7:37:32 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Currently, it is still lawful to grow your own.

It is also legal to make your own lemonade, but it is illegal to sell it or allow anyone else to consume it, so be careful.

25 posted on 03/18/2012 7:47:41 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The Fifth Amendment provides that private property shall not be taken without just compensation.

Why is this not a "taking"?

26 posted on 03/18/2012 7:51:16 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper
Nope, not going to be careful. That time is over.

I'm going to be abusive to jerks that try to take basic freedoms that have been here since the Mayflower landed. ;)

Would you care for a home-made beer? I'd swap a few for a pound of backstrap.

/johnny

27 posted on 03/18/2012 7:53:24 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Drango; Eric Blair 2084

Who said I was addicted to tobacco. I don’t smoke, smartass. I just support smoker freedom.


30 posted on 03/18/2012 8:29:38 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: Drango
So you just pimp death?

And you pimp nanny statism. I prefer the former.

32 posted on 03/18/2012 8:43:44 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


33 posted on 03/18/2012 8:47:38 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Drango

Why are you on this forum? It’s not the place for you!


34 posted on 03/18/2012 8:56:37 PM PDT by KingNo155
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To: Drango

Are you STILL here, shocked you haven’t been banned yet. How do you get so abusive and avoid being banned??


35 posted on 03/18/2012 9:05:11 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I don't smoke either but I'm completely OK if someone wishes to indulge. At home, or in a bar or a restaurant. Let the owners/users decide.

It's NONE of my damn business, nor is it any anti-tobacco fanatic's, either.

36 posted on 03/18/2012 9:23:30 PM PDT by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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Thanks Tolerance Sucks Rocks.


37 posted on 03/18/2012 9:42:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I am 100% against this, but I wish these articles would be more clear as to the type of machines. I have been discussing this with my smoke shop owner and he believes that it is only for the “mass producers” located in the smoke shops and NOT for the RYO machines that we use in our homes.

That said, I am sure it is just a matter of time before they hit our home machines. Stock up now!


38 posted on 03/19/2012 8:22:10 AM PDT by CSM
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To: CSM

Your smoke shop owner is correct. This has been happening piecemeal in various places and it is the usual suspects (namely Philip Morris) that are pushing this to force these small smoke shops to be labelled manufacturers for taxation purposes.


39 posted on 03/19/2012 11:11:44 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Gabz

Do you know if the ammendment discussed in this article named a specific brand of machine or did they name a machine capacity?

It’d be interesting....If it is the latter, I can see many ways to overcome that little hurdle. If the former, then I could see a lawsuit coming...

Nice to see you FRiend. To bad it is on these types of threads with certain liberty stealing FReepers.


40 posted on 03/19/2012 1:15:54 PM PDT by CSM
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To: CSM

I believe they only name a type of machine, no specific brand. There was another article about this, but I don’t remember if it was here or not.

It all boils down to what PM wants PM gets. They’ve been getting tobacco shops with these machines - or at least the machines- shut down everywhere they can find them.

It’s good to see you as well. I read/lurk a fair amount, but don’t post nearly as much as I used to do.


41 posted on 03/19/2012 1:28:47 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Oh, I am with you. I routinely walk through the grocery store with an UNLIT cigarette just to clear the fat chicks out of the candy aisle.


42 posted on 03/19/2012 4:55:05 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Would you care for a home-made beer? I'd swap a few for a pound of backstrap.

I would surely do that, but for some reason, I have not drawn a permit in the last several years (supposedly on a lottery basis). The reason might be that the in-state resident permit costs tens of dollars and the out-of-state non-resident permit costs hundreds of dollars. Plus they make the out-of-state hunters hire an outfitter and I am my own outfitter. So, there you have it.

43 posted on 03/19/2012 5:05:48 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: Gabz

Phillip Morris’ concerns are misplaced. They have made a strategic decision that it is easier to manipulate the U. S. Congress to act against these niche entrepreneurs than it is to persuade the U.S. Congress to repeal what they have already done and get out of the nanny-state business altogther. Truly an unholy alliance and one that demonstrates that we the people have allowed the various governments to seize way too much power.


44 posted on 03/19/2012 5:17:20 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

No, my dear FRiend, you are underestimating the goal of PM - which is to control, through government fiat, the tobacco industry in all of its form.

PM welcomes the nanny-state with open arms. PM knows they are safe as long as they go along with anything any level of government desires - they put up token resistance, but that is just for show. They know as long as they eventually appear to be caving they will continue to exist and be the de facto tobacco monopoly.


45 posted on 03/19/2012 6:19:39 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: elkfersupper; Gabz

Or as TGO would describe what both of you are saying, this is CRAPITALISM! Crony Capitalism, which is just as offensive to individual liberty as marxism...


46 posted on 03/20/2012 12:45:50 PM PDT by CSM
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