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Same-sex benefits a powder keg in Pentagon
The Washington Times ^ | March 18, 2012 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 03/18/2012 6:30:19 PM PDT by jazusamo

Rights fight pits Holder vs. Panetta

The Obama administration is withholding medical and other benefits from same-sex spouses of military members, but Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. says he can no longer defend the law that authorizes the practice.

Conservatives are charging that Mr. Holder is going back on Pentagon promises to adhere to the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in the September repeal of the ban on open gays in the military.

Military promises to enforce DOMA, which defines marriage as the union of one man and one woman, induced some fence-sitting members of Congress to support the administration’s push to repeal the ban: The Pentagon would not recognize same-sex marriages, thus would not extend an array of military benefits to same-sex spouses.

However, Mr. Holder’s Justice Department stopped defending DOMA in court challenges in February 2011.

What’s more, the attorney general last month sided with gay-rights activists in a lawsuit against Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta demanding benefits for spouses of legally married gay service members.

Elaine Donnelly, who runs the Center for Military Readiness, sees the action as a calculated bait-and-switch.

“Congress voted for [a lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender] law that [Defense Department] officials successfully disguised with fake promises before the lame-duck vote,” Mrs. Donnelly said.

“Had there been sufficient time to challenge contradictions in their testimony, the 1993 [ban] still would be in place. But [President] Obama would have failed to deliver on his promises to LGBT activist groups. That’s what it’s all about, then and now.”

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bhohomosexualagenda; doma; dontaskdonttell; fdrq; holder; homosexualagenda; lgbt; military; militaryreadiness; obama; panetta; samesexbenefits; scotus
A pathetic mess and huge can of worms due to Obama/Holder pushing the homosexual agenda.
1 posted on 03/18/2012 6:30:29 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

“A pathetic mess and huge can of worms due to Obama/Holder pushing the homosexual agenda.”

What has been “done” regarding the homo-ization of the military during Obama’s administration can — and should — be UNDONE by the next Republican administration and Republican Congress.

Will they have the nerve and the courage to restore the military to its previous state?

I hope so. But I’m not optimistic....


2 posted on 03/18/2012 6:43:32 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: jazusamo

“A pathetic mess and huge can of worms due to Obama/Holder pushing the homosexual agenda.”

What has been “done” regarding the homo-ization of the military during Obama’s administration can — and should — be UNDONE by the next Republican administration and Republican Congress.

Will they have the nerve and the courage to restore the military to its previous state?

I hope so. But I’m not optimistic....


3 posted on 03/18/2012 6:43:32 PM PDT by Road Glide
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To: Road Glide

Mitt Romney publicly re-states his pro-homosexual positions on military, judges, and more.

http://www.massresistance.com/docs/gen/11d/romney_issues_1216/index.html


4 posted on 03/18/2012 6:48:36 PM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts: If they had just kept hanging witches a bit longer...........)
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To: jazusamo
...Mr. Holder is going back on Pentagon promises to adhere to the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in the September repeal of the ban on open gays in the military

Holder may be as much a faggot as Ubama. In any event, who could be stupid enough to trust the rats when they make a "promise"?

5 posted on 03/18/2012 6:51:44 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: massmike; Road Glide

Should mittens be elected, God forbid, he’ll pick up where Zer0 left off, he’s no moderate, he’s a liberal.


6 posted on 03/18/2012 6:53:10 PM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

There are a lot of people who don’t understand why I have always viewed open homosexuality in the military as not only catastrophic for the military, but our country as well.

Homosexuality in the military is a wedge. Once it is gained there, it will become law of the land. There can be no other result.


7 posted on 03/18/2012 6:54:18 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Well said, Lancey. There’s no such thing as a promise that can relied upon from a RAT.


8 posted on 03/18/2012 6:55:02 PM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

It is one of the reasons I have been so disillusioned and disappointed to bitterness with Scott Brown. He has openly supported homosexuality in the military.


9 posted on 03/18/2012 6:56:26 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: rlmorel

Absolutely agree, and that’s why the leftists worked so hard to repeal DADT.


10 posted on 03/18/2012 6:57:57 PM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: rlmorel
There are a lot of people who don’t understand why I have always viewed open homosexuality in the military as not only catastrophic for the military, but our country as well.

Future historians will see the significance also. All the other issues are small potatoes. DADT repeal was the game changer. The left destroyed the last bastion when DADT was repealed.

11 posted on 03/18/2012 7:03:51 PM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: jazusamo; Lancey Howard
It is in their nature. If we do not remember this, we have no one to blame but ourselves. It reminds me of the fable about a scorpion asking a frog to carry him across a river (Wikipedia version).

The frog is afraid of being stung during the trip, but the scorpion argues that if it stung the frog, the frog would sink and the scorpion would drown.

The frog agrees and begins carrying the scorpion, but midway across the river the scorpion does indeed sting the frog, dooming them both. When asked why, the scorpion points out that this is its nature.

The fable is used to illustrate the position that the behaviour of some creatures is irrepressible, no matter how they are treated and no matter what the consequences.

I had a reason to think about this in the last few days, because of a first hand experience I had this past Thursday night.

I live near Boston, and last night my wife and I went into the city to go to a Jazz concert at the new wing of the Isabella Stuart Gardener Museum (The one that had all the art stolen in 1990 valued at $500 million)

Beautiful place. New performing center, four vertical levels with one row of seats all the way around, so you can lean forward and rest your elbows on the rails to look down at the performers)

The concert was a “Tribute to Lena Horne”, and since I love jazz and her music, I thought it would be a great event, they would play all the standards that she did so well, etc.

It was nothing like that. The theme was primarily a racial event about how she suffered and preservered at the hands of white America, breaking down racial and gender barriers, etc.

There was some gasbag dressed in red african brocade with some large linen thing draped over a shoulder (google image african brocade and you can see what it looked like) who started things off, and would come back on-stage at various intervals and read notes from papers in his hand while the piano played in the background. It was much what was expected regarding Lena Horne and her career, white people yelling nasty things at her on stage, being unable to stay in the hotel she performed in, marrying a white man she didn’t love to further her career.

At one point, the gasbag talked about how Lena Horne had a drug and alcohol problem, and comparing her to Whitney Houston, said that it was her family’s fault, her fan’s fault and the country’s fault for putting her on a pedestal that she had trouble staying on. The “she had no choice, society forced her into her addictions” view. My wife and I glanced at each other...yep. No personal responsibility there, no mention of any other performers who managed to NOT become addicts.

But it was partway through one of the gasbag speeches, when I heard the word below shouted: “FIRE!” and an older scraggly looking woman came out onto the stage floor to talk to Mister Gasbag.

I was bordering on alarm, but I figured she was telling the fat gasbag about some issue, we might have to leave, or whatever, so I just watched.

The woman walked up to the guy and began shaking her pointed finger in his face.

I thought, “What the hell is this?” Then she turned around and left. The gasbag said: “We live in a country with a lack of civility, where the most popular man in the world, President Barack Obama, has a sitting congressman calling him a liar, and a governer of a state wagging her finger in his face...”

It wasn’t “FIRE” I had heard, it was “LIAR”, and the whole thing was choreographed in.

I was with my wife, who would not consider it worth making a scene about, but I was steaming. It was all I could do to stay in my seat, and that, for her sake.

Throughout the whole thing there were references to Paul Robeson and Barack Obama, but when the gasbag mentioned Paul Robeson, Eleanor Roosevelt and Barack Obama in the same sentence, that almost did me in.

As I thought about it, I knew I hadn’t vetted the performance. I just assumed it would be music, Lena Horne’s music. But it wasn’t, and I could only blame myself for that.

I forgot the key rule to remember: It is in the nature of liberals to behave this way. I don't have to like it or approve of it, but if I find myself getting angry or surprised about it over and over again, it is on me.

Nobody should hold themselves responsible for things they cannot see or know. But people should accept blame for those things they CAN see and HAVE seen.

12 posted on 03/18/2012 7:08:28 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: central_va

I had gone most of my life and never read “The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”, but in the last two years I finally listened to it.

Stunning.

For me, it was viscerally applicable. The similarity hit me in the gut. To anyone who has read history, we know it is inevitable, we all know that civilizations rise and fall.

Just not ours.


13 posted on 03/18/2012 7:13:32 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: Road Glide
...can — and should — be UNDONE by the next Republican administration...

We'll be waiting.

14 posted on 03/18/2012 7:14:18 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: jazusamo
"...Absolutely agree, and that’s why the leftists worked so hard to repeal DADT..."

Well, they knew what they were doing, that is certain.

15 posted on 03/18/2012 7:15:11 PM PDT by rlmorel (A knife in the chest from a unapologetic liberal is preferable to a knife in the back from a RINO.)
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To: rlmorel
I had gone most of my life and never read “The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”, but in the last two years I finally listened to it.

Thanks for the book reference. I just downloaded it. I will read when I get some time.

16 posted on 03/18/2012 7:40:58 PM PDT by USAF80
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To: jazusamo
Mr. Holder is going back on Pentagon promises to adhere to the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) in the September repeal of the ban on open gays in the military.

Ha-Ha-Ha, and you believe him! Ha-Ha-Ha!

17 posted on 03/18/2012 7:43:34 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: rlmorel

Thanks for your kind reply.
You showed admirable restraint by remaining in your seat. I have found myself in similar situations, so I can relate. There have been a couple of times, though, when I did leave in the middle of a show / lecture / performance with the words, “This is horse sh**.” Just a few weeks ago, in fact, a band’s guitarist went on a rant about Bush (believe it or not) and a tirade of tired, juvenile, liberal causes-du-jour. In that case, my wife and I looked at each other as we both stood to escape. She was as offended as me.

FRegards,
LH


18 posted on 03/18/2012 7:44:49 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: rlmorel
They are so worried about personnel costs in the DOD and now this. If they decide to offer benefits to same sex “partners” they'll have to do the same to every opposite sex shack up. It's going to be interesting at the BX and Commissary in a few years.
19 posted on 03/18/2012 7:45:28 PM PDT by Himyar
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To: broken_arrow1

What a maroon!

Once they are openly gay, and then married, how the heck could you then justify witholding benefits?

You then have no grounds at all. The door is open and can’t be shut.

Anyone could see this coming.


20 posted on 03/18/2012 7:51:52 PM PDT by ltc8k6
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To: jazusamo; Road Glide
Same-sex benefits a powder keg in Pentagon

In order to better understand, Pentagon's male staff members and male officers alike, train with fake breasts and empathy bellies so they can better understand how pregnant soldiers feel.

21 posted on 03/18/2012 7:54:49 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

George Washington knew what to do with sodomites. He must be rolling over in his grave knowing what pansy ass liberals have done to not only to his military, but to this country.
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On Mar. 10, 1778, at Valley Forge, Gen. George Washington approved the dismissal from service of Lt. Frederick Gotthold Enslin for “attempting to commit sodomy” with another soldier.

In the first president’s papers at the Library of Congress is a series of orders with the title, “Head Quarters, V. Forge, Saturday, March 14, 1778.” It includes the following entry,

“At a General Court Martial whereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 1778) Lieutt. [Frederick Gotthold] Enslin of Colo. Malcom’s Regiment tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, For Perjury in swearing to false Accounts, found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of 5th. Article 18th. Section of the Articles of War and do sentence him to be dismiss’d the service with Infamy.

“His Excellency the Commander in Chief [George Washington] approves the sentence and with Abhorrence and Detestation of such Infamous Crimes orders Lieutt. Enslin to be drummed out of Camp tomorrow morning by all the Drummers and Fifers in the Army never to return; The Drummers and Fifers to attend on the Grand Parade at Guard mounting for that Purpose.”

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/george-washington-drummed-out-soldier-infamous-crime-attempted-sodomy


22 posted on 03/18/2012 8:22:46 PM PDT by NKP_Vet (creep.)
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To: jazusamo

Obama, Holder, Clinton, Panetta and the brown nose military brass........what a mess we’re in. If our economy was in better shape and jobs available, the military would be left with only the SF bath house types.


23 posted on 03/18/2012 8:51:05 PM PDT by Dapper 26
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To: Road Glide
What has been “done” regarding the homo-ization of the military during Obama’s administration can — and should — be UNDONE by the next Republican administration and Republican Congress.

It can be "undone" as easily as the evils escaping from Pandora's Box can be put back in. Once even ONE homosexual military member is granted benefits for his "spouse" it will be foothold a too powerful to undo.

California is another example of once-granted "rights" - liberal judges just find it too irresistible to declare that these concocted "rights" had always existed to begin with.

This was the wisdom in the push for a federal marriage amendment, which, while Republicans had a chance to initiate failed to under the false excuse of "do so if absolutely necessary." That window is long since gone.

24 posted on 03/18/2012 9:38:45 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: jazusamo
Should mittens be elected, God forbid, he’ll pick up where Zer0 left off, he’s no moderate, he’s a liberal.

You better believe he would. Mitt = Obama.

The real tragedy today is that so many don't see this.

25 posted on 03/18/2012 9:40:46 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: jazusamo
due to Obama/Holder pushing the homosexual agenda.

As I recall this passed the Republican controlled House with a comfortable margin.

We have a lot of Rats in the Republican party.

26 posted on 03/18/2012 10:49:51 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: fwdude

fwdude: “Mitt = Obama. The real tragedy today is that so many don’t see this.”

Yes, but Mitt’s electable...


27 posted on 03/19/2012 2:58:57 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

What part of “Mitt = Obama” do you not understand?


28 posted on 03/19/2012 5:35:31 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude

That was sarcasm on my part. I don’t like to use the sarcasm tag, because I think it should generally be obvious in the sarcastic statements made...


29 posted on 03/19/2012 5:40:20 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: CitizenUSA

Sorry. It’s early :{)


30 posted on 03/19/2012 5:44:23 AM PDT by fwdude
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To: jazusamo

I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the end result being no family member benefits for anyone, period. Active duty member only.


31 posted on 03/19/2012 5:48:28 AM PDT by Lacey
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To: fwdude

No problem. Mitt Romney is Obama lite. According to Mitt’s fans, one of the main reasons (if not the #1 reason) they vote for him is his perceived electability. So, the fact that Mitt Romney is the antithesis of conservatism is irrelevant so long as he has nice hair and might actually be electable. Boy do these Mittbots have a surprise coming when Mitt, in the very unfortunate circumstance he’s elected, doubles down on big government.


32 posted on 03/19/2012 5:59:14 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: Lacey
I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the end result being no family member benefits for anyone, period. Active duty member only.

Say goodbye to the All Volunteer force then.

33 posted on 03/19/2012 9:55:38 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: Himyar
They are so worried about personnel costs in the DOD and now this. If they decide to offer benefits to same sex “partners” they'll have to do the same to every opposite sex shack up. It's going to be interesting at the BX and Commissary in a few years.

I haven't seen anything yet in the BX or commissary. They have started to make cuts on personnel moves. The time they will pay for temporary housing has gone down.

34 posted on 03/19/2012 10:02:37 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: USAF80

“Say goodbye to the All Volunteer force then.”

Not just that- it could make a conscript force untenable. Why would any decent person fight for a country that allows the sodomites to marry, to parade their degeneracy in the streets, etc.? You get a bunch of unwilling draftees and military efficiency will drop considerably, if not stop altogether.


35 posted on 03/19/2012 6:44:36 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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