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Broken down and rusting, is this the future of Britain's 'wind rush'?
daily mail ^ | 18 March 2012 | Tom Leonard

Posted on 03/18/2012 11:31:42 PM PDT by george76

A breathtaking sight awaits those who travel to the southernmost tip of Hawaii’s stunningly beautiful Big Island, though it’s not in any guidebook. On a 100-acre site, where cattle wander past broken ‘Keep Out’ signs, stand the rusting skeletons of scores of wind turbines... a technology that is supposed to be about saving the environment is instead ruining it.

In other parts of the U.S., working wind turbines are killing hundreds of thousands of birds and bats each year, but here the wildlife can perch on the motionless steel blades.

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No one who has driven past one of America’s mega wind farms today can fail to be struck by how few have blades that are turning, even in strong winds.

The truth is that even fewer may be producing electricity than it appears. Many are switched to a mode in which the blades continue to turn just to keep oil moving around the mechanism, but no electricity is produced.

Unfortunately, the frenzy of windmill building during the wind rush didn’t just ruin the view, but also devastated the wildlife.

No one noticed until far too late that the 5,000-turbine wind farm at Altamont Pass is on a major migratory path for birds. The National Audubon Society, America’s RSPB, has called it ‘probably the worst site ever chosen for a wind energy project’.

An estimated 10,000 birds including up to 80 protected golden eagles, 380 burrowing owls, 300 red-tailed hawks and 330 falcons were being shredded each year in Altamont’s massed banks of turbine blades

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Hawaii; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: corruption; energy; wind; windfarms; windfraud

1 posted on 03/18/2012 11:31:47 PM PDT by george76
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To: george76
Related story from Hawaii Free Press

Wind Energy's Ghosts

Wiwo...wiwo...wiwo.

The sound floats on the winds of Ka Lae, this southernmost tip of Hawaii's Big Island, where Polynesian colonists first landed some 1,500 years ago.

Some say that Ka Lae is haunted -- and it is. But it's haunted not by Hawaii's legendary night marchers. The mysterious sounds are "Na leo o Kamaoa"-- the disembodied voices of 37 skeletal wind turbines abandoned to rust on the hundred-acre site of the former Kamaoa Wind Farm.

The voices of Kamaoa cry out their warning as a new batch of colonists, having looted the taxpayers of Spain, Portugal, and Greece, seeks to expand upon their multi-billion-dollar foothold half a world away on the shores of the distant Potomac River. European wind developers are fleeing the EU's expiring wind subsidies, shuttering factories, laying off workers, and leaving billions of Euros of sovereign debt and a continent-wide financial crisis in their wake. But their game is not over. Already they are tapping a new vein of lucre from the taxpayers and ratepayers of the United States.

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Much more at the link

2 posted on 03/18/2012 11:41:14 PM PDT by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda)
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To: george76
This is not a spreadsheet ready opinion. It is based on some research, some back of envelope calculations, and some gut feeling. But - how much energy does a windmill consume?

The raw materials have to be mined, and mining metals is expensive. The ore has to be refined, the refined metals further purified, because windmills need precision alloys, and the materials shipped to the manufacturing site.

Then the windmill has to be built - with expensive precision machinery that itself embodies a lot of energy. Then the windmill must be shipped to the site, usually a bleak, lonely place with insufficient infrastructure, which also must be built.

It's not enough just to put the things up: they must be maintained. So must the access roads, the power grid, the worker's huts, the storage for the equipment, the cranes that are needed to lift said workers to turbine height... And, by the way, who is going to climb a 1000-foot tower to change a quart of oil, and how much energy will that take?

My provisional conclusion, in case you hadn't guessed, is that these high-tech windmills are a net sink of energy - during their entire useful life they will not generate as much energy as is consumed by their manufacture, deployment, and maintenance. A classic boondoggle.

3 posted on 03/18/2012 11:47:38 PM PDT by John Locke
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To: John Locke
My provisional conclusion, in case you hadn't guessed, is that these high-tech windmills are a net sink of energy - during their entire useful life they will not generate as much energy as is consumed by their manufacture, deployment, and maintenance. A classic boondoggle.

I have tried to imagine a closed cycle windmill economy devoted to the maintenance and replacement of a fixed number of windmills. It's difficult because so much of the required energy is in fuel and ore refinement. Can you imagine a windmill powered steel plant?

4 posted on 03/19/2012 12:05:01 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: John Locke
Then the windmill must be shipped to the site, usually a bleak, lonely place with insufficient infrastructure, which also must be built.

Indiana has a bunch of wind farms. A map at the link shows that a significant area of the state is taken up by them. I think it is Meadow Lake that lies in part along I-65 north of Lafayette ( Purdue. ) It's about a 10 mile drive through the turbines. They are impressive for the space they take up, to be sure. They are usually turning, but I always wonder if and how much they are generating.

The Wiki link above cites future completion dates of 2010. Maybe nobody cares anymore.

5 posted on 03/19/2012 12:20:42 AM PDT by dr_lew
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To: John Locke
My provisional conclusion, in case you hadn't guessed, is that these high-tech windmills are a net sink of energy - during their entire useful life they will not generate as much energy as is consumed by their manufacture, deployment, and maintenance. A classic boondoggle.

Add spinning reserve to the sticky part of the envelope. ;-)
6 posted on 03/19/2012 12:42:58 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: John Locke

Whatever energy was consumed was in the cost of producing them. So it isn’t that big a mystery.

Did they ever make economic sense? Hell no. They simply lowered everyone’s standard of living through increased cost of energy...


7 posted on 03/19/2012 1:18:44 AM PDT by DB
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To: Islander7

Q: What color are the turbines? A: Usually white or light gray.

Q: What color most attracts insects? A: White or light gray.

Q: What eats all those attractive insects? A: Birds!


8 posted on 03/19/2012 1:38:00 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: dr_lew

I’ve traveled through there many times and you’ll see below the info you’re looking for......

White County Wind Farm you drove through on I-65.
Obama’s Chinese-made, stimulus paid-for windmills don’t run when the temps get above 90 degrees. They could burn out in the heat...
They don’t run when it’s too COLD...
They don’t run if the wind is gusting over 38MPH...
They don’t run if there is no wind above 8MPH...
They don’t run in icing conditions...
They don’t run during storms...
The BEST Purdue University has been able to get out of the HUGE, federally-subsidized White County Wind Farm is LESS THAN 30% Efficiency..
30 FREAKIN’ PERCENT EFFICIENCY!!!


9 posted on 03/19/2012 2:53:45 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Gas & Petroleum Junkie)
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To: Recon Dad

“30 FREAKIN’ PERCENT EFFICIENCY!!!” That’s a better kept secret than CIA files.


10 posted on 03/19/2012 4:53:55 AM PDT by radioone
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To: george76

The writer doesn’t understand the wind mill process. The purpose of wind energy is not to make electricity but to skim federal funds. Although a lot of money, most of the money, is wasted, the skim is carefully protected and invested in something profitable.

The Democrat party is but a big criminal enterprise


11 posted on 03/19/2012 5:00:27 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: george76

Bump


12 posted on 03/19/2012 5:14:06 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: bert
The Democrat party Federal Government is but a big criminal enterprise

Fixed it for you!

13 posted on 03/19/2012 5:42:11 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: bert
The purpose of wind energy is not to make electricity but to skim federal funds.

You nailed it, but I can't help but think the government money will dry up and then we will eventually have magnificent rusting edifices to government waste dotting the landscape across the US.

14 posted on 03/19/2012 5:51:55 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Islander7
There are more than 14,000 abandoned wind turbines because the gummint subsidies expired but, with more gummint sugar, they continue being built.

We are being screwed by these envirowhackos.

The Dutch used windmills in the 15th century but as soon as more stable methods to produce power were discovered, windmills were used only on small farms and small businesses and were not FORCED ON THE REST OF THE WORLD.

Look at this beautiful graveyard of rusting skeletons.


15 posted on 03/19/2012 5:57:20 AM PDT by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorists savages.)
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To: george76

Apples to durians, trying to equate old, decrepit wind turbines of the 1980s with today’s modern turbines.


16 posted on 03/19/2012 6:59:51 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: John Locke

Ah, but energy production was NOT the goal of building these things.

Making liberals feel good about themselves as “good people” who “care about the erf” was the goal,

and that was accomplished, so they don’t even care if they produce one watt of electricity after they’re built.


17 posted on 03/19/2012 7:02:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Islander7
Some say that Ka Lae is haunted...

I've been to that abandoned wind farm several times on visits to Hawaii.

It is creepy. It's a beautiful but lonely, desolate place. The dead and decaying wind mills give it a post-apocalyptic feel.

As others have noted, a fitting monument to the waste and stupidity of Government programs and political plundering.

18 posted on 03/19/2012 8:29:50 AM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9; bert

19 posted on 03/19/2012 9:20:13 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: John Locke

I had a discussion like this with an environmentalist friend once. I asked him to convert all inputs into a common unit so they could be compared.
Raw materials to energy equivalents.
Labor to energy equivalents.
Management talent (a rare resource) to energy equivalents.
And on and on. Finally I asked him if it wouldn’t be easier and more accurate to just convert everything to dollars and judge the best option in those units. I don’t think it had ever occurred to him before.


20 posted on 03/19/2012 9:29:22 AM PDT by conejo99
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To: Islander7

Scrap metal opportunity!


21 posted on 03/19/2012 12:45:15 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (FOCUS ON FACTS: 0bamaCare Hated. Worst Recovery. Failed Stimulus. Worst Deficits.)
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To: george76; sickoflibs; stephenjohnbanker
havin a hard time picturing birds even gettin hit, much less being 'shredded' by a windmill...

i believe its probably the same rhetoric as the poor carribou that dont like snuggling against the warm pipelines...

all energy is bad...

22 posted on 03/19/2012 12:58:15 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: george76

http://www.dialight.com/Assets/Application_Notes/Signaling/Obstruction%20Lighting%20Bird%20Strike%20Study.pdf


23 posted on 03/19/2012 1:06:12 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Gilbo_3; jazusamo; girlangler; Flycatcher; SierraWasp

Nationwide, about 440,000 birds are killed at windfarms each year, according to the (Federal) Wildlife Service.

environmentalist wackos have remained silent about the slaughter of birds by dangerous and unproductive windmill farms.

wind turbine blades spinning at up to 200 mph

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/08/environmentalists_give_pass_to_eagle-killing_windmills.html


24 posted on 03/19/2012 1:20:50 PM PDT by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76
Take it from a former boat builder:

saltwater + machine + time = rusty junk
25 posted on 03/19/2012 1:34:38 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RNC would prefer Obama to a conservative nominee.)
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To: george76

That’s correct as far as I’ve read and the bird kill facts have only been reported for the last year or slightly longer. I can only believe the enviro wackos knew about it and were silent because of their beloved wind energy.

Money going into wind energy may as well be flushed down a toilet. Without govt subsidies these wind farms would not exist and in the Western states there’s not just fed tax dollar subsidies but state subsidies also. The power being produced and sold at todays cost pkh isn’t enough to keep the existing fields going so they can make a profit. It’s a huge investor and taxpayer ripoff.


26 posted on 03/19/2012 2:18:00 PM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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To: george76
GREEN POWER is not for generating electricity; they are machines for pumping money --

Ratepayers and Taxpayers are being hit by a triple whammy - FedGov, StateGov, and Suppliers are all scamming more funds to pay off the Green Nazis! Shut them all down.

27 posted on 03/19/2012 3:58:55 PM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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To: george76

admittedly i have never seen a live monster windminll in action, but i ASSumed a much slower, lumbering RPM than 200 ‘mph’...


28 posted on 03/19/2012 6:01:07 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Gilbo_3
Your failure of vision is not reason to question the mortality rates of birds to windmills. When spinning at useful rates the tips of blades are moving at over 200 mph, far faster than birds could avoid them. These raptors and other birds are important predators of vermin and insects harmful to agricultural produce.

Of course, if you are one of the modern Americans who think food comes from supermarkets instead of farms, this may not impress you much

29 posted on 03/19/2012 9:49:01 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: radioone

And, every wind farm has to have a 90 percent backup electrical source. That is, a power plant and that means it is either coal, natural gas, or nuclear power.

Windmills are also hideously maintenance intensive and require servicing on a three or four month cycle. They are rated to last about 20 years before replacement.


30 posted on 03/19/2012 11:42:32 PM PDT by MasterGunner01 (11)
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To: george76

Engineer I know was making 200k on the windmill scam.


31 posted on 03/20/2012 8:18:38 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


32 posted on 03/20/2012 10:32:20 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: george76
The purpose of wind energy is not to produce energy. It is to give taxpayer money to the politically connected. It is as simple as that.

As long as the slimeballs got their money nobody cares about anything else.

33 posted on 03/20/2012 10:43:34 AM PDT by detective
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To: george76

We need to take the environmentalists to the Hague for their continuing and deliberate genocide against our avian brothers!

Death to the genocidal fascist swine!!!

:-P


34 posted on 03/20/2012 12:31:43 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: jazusamo
Money going into wind energy may as well be flushed down a toilet. Without govt subsidies these wind farms would not exist and in the Western states there’s not just fed tax dollar subsidies but state subsidies also. The power being produced and sold at todays cost pkh isn’t enough to keep the existing fields going so they can make a profit. It’s a huge investor and taxpayer ripoff

Damn straight.

The whole premise of cost-effective wind power is a lie built upon a foundation of half-truths, misdirection, and bald-faced dishonesty. I hate these monstrosities -- and the filthy leftist stooges and idiots that promote them -- with every fiber of my body.

I'm glad to see that this supreme boondoggle is now being exposed for what it is. Fewer and fewer people seem to be sold on this lie now.

Thanks or the ping, George! I'm back for a few days before I'm off again. Jaz: Got a lifebird about a week ago. A male Lawrence's goldfinch. Check out your Sibley guide. It's quite an awesome bird!

All the best, FRiends!

35 posted on 03/31/2012 3:10:53 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: george76
Oops.

Meant to ping you too, George, to the above post.

Thanks for the ping!

36 posted on 03/31/2012 3:12:50 PM PDT by Flycatcher (God speaks to us, through the supernal lightness of birds, in a special type of poetry.)
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To: Flycatcher
I'm glad to see that this supreme boondoggle is now being exposed for what it is. Fewer and fewer people seem to be sold on this lie now.

Amen to that! It's a shame that billions of taxpayer dollars have already been wasted on this "green" venture. Let the free market determine the eventual costs, not subsidies and tax credits to whoever is sitting in the WH and their thug friends.

Most happy to see you spotted the Lawrence's goldfinch, checked it out and it's a beautiful bird. Also glad to see you have a few days off before heading back out.

All the best, Fly!

37 posted on 03/31/2012 6:16:47 PM PDT by jazusamo (Character assassination is just another form of voter fraud: Thomas Sowell)
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