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What If Oil and Natural Gas Are Renewable Resources? (Evidence mounting on limitless supply of oil)
American Thinker ^ | 03/18/2012 | Greg Lewis

Posted on 03/19/2012 6:58:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

President Barack Obama and his green energy confederates are determined to scare the public about a declining supply of "fossil fuels." If we accept the idea that oil is produced by the conversion of organic matter -- from plants to dinosaurs -- under extreme pressure, we must also accept the idea that there is a limited supply of oil and that we've got to do everything we can to find a replacement for fossil fuels before we run out.

The evidence is mounting that not only do we have more than a century's worth of recoverable oil in the United States alone (even if there is a limit to the earth's oil supply), but that we also actually have a limitless supply of Texas tea because oil is in fact a renewable resource that is being constantly created deep under the earth's surface and which rises upward, where microscopic organisms that thrive in the intense pressure and heat miles below us interact with and alter it.

In other words, we have an unending supply of oil, some of which is constantly migrating upward from the depths at which it is created to refill existing oil deposits, and much more of which remains far below the surface. This oil can be recovered using existing technology. Scientist Thomas Gold presents the decades-old theory of "abiotic" oil-creation, which supports these facts, in his book, The Deep Hot Biosphere. In it he explains that the idea of the "biotic" creation of "fossil fuels" -- that decaying organic matter is compressed into oil -- is incorrect. In fact, the earth is constantly producing new oil very deep below its surface, and in some cases the oil flows up to replenish existing oil fields thought to be exhausted.

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Here's how the theory explains the process:

Eugene Island is an underwater mountain located about 80 miles off the coast of Louisiana in the Gulf of Mexico. In 1973 oil was struck and off-shore platform Eugene 330 erected. The field began production at 15,000 barrels a day, then gradually fell off, as is normal, to 4,000 barrels a day in 1989. Then came the surprise; it reversed itself and increased production to 13,000 barrels a day. Probable reserves have been increased to 400 million barrels from 60 million. The field appears to be filling from below and the crude coming up today is from a geological age different from the original crude, which leads to the speculation that the world has limitless supplies of petroleum.

1 posted on 03/19/2012 6:58:53 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I like the way these articles make liberals’ heads explode.


2 posted on 03/19/2012 7:01:32 AM PDT by andyk (Tax credits for your kids == Welfare)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have been saying this for decades now.... “fossil fuels” is nothing but a myth... want proof, bury a dead animal in your yard, return in a year and dig it up... you have bones and dirt, not oil.... millions of years will not turn bone or dirt to oil.... ashes to ashes, dust to dust (not ashes to oil, dust to oil).. another econazi myth..


3 posted on 03/19/2012 7:01:42 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: SeekAndFind

Oil and gas are renewable resources. Always have been. Anyone in that industry understands it. Only and idiot or fool or government hack believe it comes from “dino-sources”


4 posted on 03/19/2012 7:02:41 AM PDT by edcoil (It is not over until I win.)
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To: andyk

“How are we supposed to be able to control all these people and impose our utopia on them if they have access to all the energy and mobility that they want!!!!????”


5 posted on 03/19/2012 7:04:42 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: joe fonebone

Also, isn’t Titan, one of the moons of Saturn, covered in lakes of frozen natural gas? Sure as heck aren’t any dead dinos there.

Humans have only scratched the surface of what’s in the earth. We have little idea what’s actually down there. The deepest bore-hole of any kind was drilled by the Russians - about 40,000 feet, I believe.

that’s not even a pin-prick, given the size of the Earth.


6 posted on 03/19/2012 7:07:00 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember Rush Limbaugh talking about this years ago. It’s seems that old oil wells are filling back up from farther underground. Which could only mean that either the earth is a LOT older than scientists believe and we are only tapping the “top layer” of oil (which seems unlikely as there are other methods to measure the age of the earth), or at least a portion of the oil is being produced by a non-biological process down near the mantle and working it’s way up (which would mean that the supply of oil is essentially limitless). While this theory is certainly not mainstream, there is some evidence, not the least of which is the abundance of hydrocarbons the moons of Saturn, which certainly weren’t produced by biological means.


7 posted on 03/19/2012 7:07:51 AM PDT by apillar
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To: SeekAndFind

I remember Rush Limbaugh talking about this years ago. It’s seems that old oil wells are filling back up from farther underground. Which could only mean that either the earth is a LOT older than scientists believe and we are only tapping the “top layer” of oil (which seems unlikely as there are other methods to measure the age of the earth), or at least a portion of the oil is being produced by a non-biological process down near the mantle and working it’s way up (which would mean that the supply of oil is essentially limitless). While this theory is certainly not mainstream, there is some evidence, not the least of which is the abundance of hydrocarbons on the moons of Saturn, which certainly weren’t produced by biological means.


8 posted on 03/19/2012 7:08:03 AM PDT by apillar
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To: SeekAndFind
Natural gas can obviously be created by non organic means. After all there is no life on Titan and that moon has oceans of methane. In addition unlike petroleum biology creates methane quickly and in vast quantities. If we were ever to find a way to economically extract methane hydrates we would have access to more than twice the amount of energy as contained in all other sources of “fossil” fuel. In addition the hydrates form quickly from decaying plankton. So you mine the area and in a few decades it is filled back up again. More like forestry than than traditional mining.
9 posted on 03/19/2012 7:09:12 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve always agreed with abiotic oil but would add that we need to determine the “balance point” of our use v. abiotic production.


10 posted on 03/19/2012 7:09:40 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Honest question here: Is it possible to used carbon dating on oil?

If it were found to all be millions of years old then yes there is a finite limit based upon how much we are bringing to the surface.

If it were found to be much younger then a case could be made that it is being produced now and then we would need to know how much per decade vs how much we are extracting.


11 posted on 03/19/2012 7:11:42 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: joe fonebone

Agree. I have said for years that there could not possibly be enough plants and dinosaurs that died to create the billions and billions of oil that exist today.

Every day we consume 19 million barrels of oil, every single day!

How many brontosauruses is that?


12 posted on 03/19/2012 7:12:14 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. Be Andrew Breitbart.)
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To: SeekAndFind; thackney; blam

Ping!..............


13 posted on 03/19/2012 7:13:09 AM PDT by Red Badger (If the Government can make you buy health insurance, they can make you buy a Volt................)
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To: Wurlitzer

Carbon dating won’t work past 20k years, and I’m being generous.


14 posted on 03/19/2012 7:14:45 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

This has been pretty evident for a while, oil is not a limited resource created by dead and long decayed plat and organic matter, but the end result of processes within the earth.

Of course, can’t say for 100% certainty that is what is going on, but we have never been able to say with 100% certainty that the current believe its created from long dead organic matter is right either. They have based this belief on the fact that coal is obviously created that way, and that organic markers can be found in oil.

However if Oil is produced by microbial action far below the surface, finding organic residue in oil would be expected.

I think the evidence that its not limited supply, has been mounting for a long long time, but no one wants to accept this reality.


15 posted on 03/19/2012 7:17:13 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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16 posted on 03/19/2012 7:18:40 AM PDT by Red Badger (If the Government can make you buy health insurance, they can make you buy a Volt................)
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To: joe fonebone; thackney
I have been saying this for decades now.... “fossil fuels” is nothing but a myth... want proof, bury a dead animal in your yard, return in a year and dig it up... you have bones and dirt, not oil.... millions of years will not turn bone or dirt to oil.... ashes to ashes, dust to dust (not ashes to oil, dust to oil).. another econazi myth

Wow, don't even know where to start. Oil is the result of extreme pressure, heat and lot's of time.

Srs. you need to take a basic education courses, not at the college level but 5-6 grade level. Your response is embarrassing to say the least

17 posted on 03/19/2012 7:19:03 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: joe fonebone
want proof, bury a dead animal in your yard, return in a year and dig it up.

You have obviously never been to a peat bog. You bury something in that low oxygen/high acidity soil and you get something very close to coal in only a few years. I can't vouch for oil, but it isn't a stretch to get from old dense peat to lignite coal. Heck if you pull the layers of lignite apart carefully it still has the plant imprints in it. In addition the process of decay into peat creates lots of methane as a byproduct.

So it isn't hard to see that coal and methane can be formed biologically. The question is only if that is the only way and the evidence appears to be no.
18 posted on 03/19/2012 7:20:22 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Red Badger

This nonsense again?


19 posted on 03/19/2012 7:21:02 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Wurlitzer
Carbon dating is a tough call out to where oil and coal were formed. Best estimates for Midwestern (Illinois Basin) coal is 260 million years ago. Powder River Basin sub-bituminous is younger.
20 posted on 03/19/2012 7:21:25 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: joe fonebone

Fossil fuels are not a myth, Coal is without question a fossil fuel, anyone who’s ever mined it or found it can tell you its clearly made from organic materials crushed under pressure for extended periods of time, the evidence is visible within the coal strata itself.

And in fact, COAL is abundant, but it is finite.

Oil on the other hand, I agree, oil can be produced without the need for dead plants/animals being compressed and buried for extended periods of time.


21 posted on 03/19/2012 7:21:42 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: MrB
“How are we supposed to be able to control all these people and impose our utopia on them if they have access to all the energy and mobility that they want!!!!????”

Far, far worse is the solution to just about everything for the country (and trickle down to the rest of the world) is all it takes is one signature and the entire US debt is gone in couple years, the energy crisis turns into 100 year assurance energy source, millions of jobs created. All federal lands are 99 year leases for oil and gas exploration and extraction with a penalty of 5 times the projected income if any future adminstrations revoke those leases. Contract law with the energy companies.

22 posted on 03/19/2012 7:23:17 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have no idea whether or not this idea corresponds with the facts, or not.

But it is a testable hypotheses, it seems to me. So a government that was concerned with the American people (i.e., one that we haven’t had in a long time) would invest a little money and find out. Or permit private enterprise to do so.


23 posted on 03/19/2012 7:23:27 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: PGR88

Everybody knows that Pellucidar is down there, complete with dinosaurs. :)


24 posted on 03/19/2012 7:24:33 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: PGR88

and here I thought AlGore was the deepest bore-hole ...


25 posted on 03/19/2012 7:25:56 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (Limbaugh: Tim Tebow miracle: "He had atheists praying to God that he would lose.")
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To: trailhkr1

no, what’s embarassing is newly signed up econazi trying to infiltrate the board... go away


26 posted on 03/19/2012 7:28:25 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: GonzoGOP

“biology creates methane quickly and in vast quantities.”

Be glad you’re not stuck in this office with me this morning!


27 posted on 03/19/2012 7:28:58 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: edcoil
Only and idiot or fool or government hack believe it comes from “dino-sources”

I have never heard a person say that.

From the 'net:

Crude oil is not largely made up of Dinosaurs as many people believe. Instead they are made up of infinite trillions of ancient algae that died and sunk to the bottom of the ocean and seas millions of years ago. These algae lived in the shallow seas of the past, where they took in Carbon Dioxide (CO2) and release the oxygen back to the atmosphere. The carbon was used in the plants life for groth, but when they died all that carbon in the algae sunk to the bottom of the sea and over the eons was covered with silt. Over millions of years the dead algae became closer to the earths mantle with the constant adition of new sediment. Eventually it got close enough to the mantle to start cooking, this burned away the impurities and left the carbon on hydrogen (this is whey oil is called a Hydrocarbon fuel). After being bake some of the oil would avoid being swallowed by the earth or being turned into natural gas and seeped up towards the surface. What keeps the oil from surfacing is cap-stones.

28 posted on 03/19/2012 7:29:15 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: joe fonebone

Your dog was consumed by worms and other burrowers. Just as on land, there are burrowers and terd rustlers in the oceans. They mainly live in oxygenated waters. Petroleum source rocks occur in anoxic waters where there is not apply oxygen to support such life and thus organic matter can be preserved without being consumed. Concentrate the organic material, bury it and heat it, then you have expulsion. Migrate it to a trap and you have a field. Most oil and gas misses a trap and comes to the surface.


29 posted on 03/19/2012 7:31:02 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
I’ve always agreed with abiotic oil but would add that we need to determine the “balance point” of our use v. abiotic production.

ALL oil has biotic signatures. However, those biotic signatures may be from single cell swarms in pools of natural gas, eating and excreting. Thus the APPEARANCE or renewable. Once the natural gas (food) runs out, the life dies out leaving the bodies (biotic signatures).

30 posted on 03/19/2012 7:31:46 AM PDT by USCG SimTech (Honored to serve since '71)
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To: joe fonebone
no, what’s embarassing is newly signed up econazi trying to infiltrate the board... go away

Get real. Your comment about burying a dog bone and it not being oil the next year is just laughable. It makes conservatives look like fools.

31 posted on 03/19/2012 7:32:29 AM PDT by trailhkr1
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
Be glad you’re not stuck in this office with me this morning!

corned beef & cabbage with a side of baked beans. The fuel of the future!
32 posted on 03/19/2012 7:32:33 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: GonzoGOP

“corned beef & cabbage “

Ya nailed it!


33 posted on 03/19/2012 7:34:11 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: thackney

Well, AGW has its believers, too..............


34 posted on 03/19/2012 7:34:20 AM PDT by Red Badger (If the Government can make you buy health insurance, they can make you buy a Volt................)
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To: SeekAndFind

Russian geoscientists have always said this. The left can’t stand the idea that someone else runs something......


35 posted on 03/19/2012 7:35:00 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: exit82

No appreciable amount of oil has come from dinosaurs, which like a deer on the side of the highway, were scavenged by the buzzards, fire ants, worms, and the like of their day. Oil comes primarily from algae, which lives in the photic zones of the oceans. When it dies, it falls to the bottom. Only under certain conditions is the water anoxic (lacking oxygen) so that the buzzard’s equivalent on the bottom of the ocean don’t consume the organic matter. It takes millions of years for a significant amount of material to accumulate and then be buried to around 10,000’ deep for catagenesis to take place.


36 posted on 03/19/2012 7:37:05 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: Wurlitzer

Carbon dating has been used to show the carbon atoms in the petroleum to be so old that it exceeds the ability to give an actual date. If the oil was formed in the last 10,000 years it could be dated.


37 posted on 03/19/2012 7:37:33 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: PGR88
Regarding Titan's methane oceans, you said: ".... Sure as heck aren’t any dead dinos there."

Please provide citations.

38 posted on 03/19/2012 7:39:03 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: crusty old prospector

Hey! No fair bringing up geology - that’s for pointy-headed scientists!


39 posted on 03/19/2012 7:41:11 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: andyk

This is very interesting, but, none of this matters to the liberals. The liberals still will say that “fossil fuels” are evil because of greenhouse gases and all that. If oil is really a renewable resource, it wouldn’t change their opinion that oil and coal are evil, oil companies are evil, Al Gore is God, etc. etc.

Even if oil were limitless, they will still want to see windmills, ocean wave farms, solar panels, and God knows what other green energy.


40 posted on 03/19/2012 7:42:20 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: apillar
It’s seems that old oil wells are filling back up from farther underground. Which could only mean that either the earth is a LOT older than scientists believe and we are only tapping the “top layer” of oil (which seems unlikely as there are other methods to measure the age of the earth)

Or you are over a subduction zone. If the sea floor got shoved down under the continental shelf it would be easy to have layers of oil very deep. If you go to Montana, just East of Glacier National Park you can actually see where the continental shelf buckled and is laying one complete shelf on top of another. No foothills, just flat prairie and then bam! wall o rock. Impressive as heck. Especially when you consider that is just a wrinkle compared with what is going on at the Mariana Trench.
41 posted on 03/19/2012 7:46:14 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
This is very interesting, but, none of this matters to the liberals. The liberals still will say that “fossil fuels” are evil because of greenhouse gases and all that

The subduction zones obviously take cubic miles of ocean floor deep into the earth. That ocean floor is composed of... carbonates from eons of marine life fallen to the bottom.

Take that DEEP into high temperature and pressure and you get OIL ! ! !!

So it's renewable, limitless, and self-cleaning. The CO2 is recycled by organisms everywhere.

QED

42 posted on 03/19/2012 7:50:50 AM PDT by Huebolt (It's not over until there is not ONE DEMOCRAT HOLDING OFFICE ANYWHERE. Not even a dog catcher!)
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To: trailhkr1

what is laughable is your attempt to infiltrate the board... you see, there are many different opinions here, and most people that disagree with me have given educated answers to the statement, whereas you have chosen to use alinsky tactics.. a hardcore leftist econazi is so easy to spot.... and you, sir are a leftist econazi stuffed shirt so full of himself single digit IQ idiot... like I said, just go away


43 posted on 03/19/2012 7:52:55 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s about time

Fossil fuel deniers- advance!

look up “abiogenic oil”


44 posted on 03/19/2012 7:53:21 AM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: headsonpikes

What most people fail to realize is that oil truly is a renewable resource. The problem is that the human time scale is a little different than that of the earth and its eternal workings. A mountain range once ran across Texas to the east into Alabama and linked up with the older version of the Appalachians. I wish that they would reappear (as do most mountain ranges as the earth is easier to break and bend along pre-existing zones of weakness) so I wouldn’t have to drive to Colorado to cool off in the summer and go skiing. Unfortunately, Texas is still subsiding as is all of the Gulf Coast. I will have to wait a few more million years before the big hole to the south of us is finally filled it with sediment and we stop sinking. Mountains tend to be created at about a half-inch per year.


45 posted on 03/19/2012 7:54:50 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve often thought that the sheer volume of petroleum seems a little bit unexplainable by the (relatively) small amount of time in geologic history to explain it. Only an infinitessimal amount of vegetation ends up being transformed into petroleum. So, while 600 million years may seem like a long time, the question to be answered is: “given observable processes, is it really enough?”


46 posted on 03/19/2012 7:55:44 AM PDT by cookcounty (Newt 2012: ---> Because he got it DONE.)
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To: Lazamataz
Please provide citations.
Titan:
Temperature 93.7 K (−179.5 °C)[4]
Atmosphere
Surface pressure 146.7 kPa
Stratosphere:
98.4% nitrogen (N2),1.4% methane (CH4);
Lower troposphere:
95% N2, 4.9% CH4


A bit cold and lacking in things like, O2 for dinos.

Polar images taken by Casini. The blue areas on the map are lakes of liquid methane.
47 posted on 03/19/2012 7:56:17 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Yes, the Russians have known we are nuts for many years now with our peak oil scare reports. Now, they have another reason as Pravda has reported, blind or feigned ignorance to our own phony dictator.
48 posted on 03/19/2012 7:56:46 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: SeekAndFind
This hypothesis keeps getting brought up every few months over the past several years.

It doesn't matter if oil is a renewing resource. What matters is whether new oil is being created at a rate comparable to the rate at which it is being consumed. If it's being created at a rate 0.01% of the consumption rate, then the fact has little importance.

We can be pretty sure that any creation rate is much less than the current consumption rate. If oil had been being created at the current consumption rate over the last million years, the oceans would be filled with oil rather than water.

49 posted on 03/19/2012 7:56:57 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: GonzoGOP
There has never been nor will there ever be any oil created in a subduction zone. That would be a place where oil fields go to die. The heat would break the oil first into lighter components that we call natural gas. Eventually, the heat and pressure would turn it into elemental carbon. Oil is thermally stable down to around 11,000’ in most basins. Below that, it becomes natural gas. Subduction zones take the rocks several tens of miles below the surface. Go put some Quaker State in a pot and turn on a Bunsen burner beneath it and watch what happens. Eventually, all of the lighter components would cook out and evaporate and you would be left with a pile of crap, figuratively speaking.
50 posted on 03/19/2012 8:01:49 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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