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What If Oil and Natural Gas Are Renewable Resources? (Evidence mounting on limitless supply of oil)
American Thinker ^ | 03/18/2012 | Greg Lewis

Posted on 03/19/2012 6:58:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

President Barack Obama and his green energy confederates are determined to scare the public about a declining supply of "fossil fuels." If we accept the idea that oil is produced by the conversion of organic matter -- from plants to dinosaurs -- under extreme pressure, we must also accept the idea that there is a limited supply of oil and that we've got to do everything we can to find a replacement for fossil fuels before we run out.

The evidence is mounting that not only do we have more than a century's worth of recoverable oil in the United States alone (even if there is a limit to the earth's oil supply), but that we also actually have a limitless supply of Texas tea because oil is in fact a renewable resource that is being constantly created deep under the earth's surface and which rises upward, where microscopic organisms that thrive in the intense pressure and heat miles below us interact with and alter it.

In other words, we have an unending supply of oil, some of which is constantly migrating upward from the depths at which it is created to refill existing oil deposits, and much more of which remains far below the surface. This oil can be recovered using existing technology. Scientist Thomas Gold presents the decades-old theory of "abiotic" oil-creation, which supports these facts, in his book, The Deep Hot Biosphere. In it he explains that the idea of the "biotic" creation of "fossil fuels" -- that decaying organic matter is compressed into oil -- is incorrect. In fact, the earth is constantly producing new oil very deep below its surface, and in some cases the oil flows up to replenish existing oil fields thought to be exhausted.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2012; abiogenic; drillheredrillnow; energy; naturalgas; obama; oil; oilandgas; renewableresources; thegreenlie; thomasgold
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To: crusty old prospector

Methane’s Critical Temperature is -87.4°C

http://encyclopedia.airliquide.com/Encyclopedia.asp?GasID=41

At temperatures above a molecule’s critical temperature, liquid phase cannot be achieved.

http://www.chem.purdue.edu/gchelp/gloss/crittemp.html

http://www.chem.purdue.edu/gchelp/liquids/critical.html

You can continue to add pressure and reduce the volume, but you will not form a liquid, just a really dense gas. Then you need to figure a way to deal with the pressure.

LNG is contained in heavily insulated vessels, at atmospheric temperatures. The LNG must be below -259°F at atmospheric pressures to remain liquid.

http://www.lngfacts.org/About-LNG/Overview.asp


81 posted on 03/19/2012 8:47:07 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SeekAndFind

I react to this the way I react to AGW stuff: Show me the science.

The reason why we stopped using CFC’s is because you could create a lab experiment that showed that CFC’s destroyed ozone using pretty small quantities of CFCs.

Everybody went along with the ban and found other ways of doing refrigeration.

We ought to be able to figure out how this replenishment is happening, why it is happening at scale, and present some sort of experiment in a lab. I would think that having petroleum reclassified as a ‘renewable resource’ would be political incentive enough to get something like this done.

We all know AGW is crap. We know it because there isn’t a shred of scientific evidence indicating AGW occurs on a scale big enough to move the climate needle.

If oil is renewable, then science should bear it out.

I remember fondly the idiotic films I watched in grade school showing how dinosaurs died, went into the ground, pressure was applied, and oil happened. We now know that is pure, unmitigated bilge. How that wasn’t caught earlier is telling.


82 posted on 03/19/2012 8:47:19 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Does beheading qualify as 'breaking my back', in the Jeffersonian sense of the expression?)
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To: thackney
The problem is, we use it far, far faster than it forms. If it was forming at the rate we are using it, and doing so for the past few hundred million years, the oil layer would encircle the whole earth several miles thick.

Depends on if you are talking about oil or hydrocarbons in general. Methane forms very quickly. The problem is it can't exist for more than a very brief time anyplace where there is oxygen present. Being lighter than air it migrates to the upper atmosphere. Methane and oxygen with a little UV and you end up with CO2 and water. So methane is constantly being created at a very fast rate. Unfortunately nature destroys it almost as fast as it forms. The difference, the stuff that gets sequestered away from O2, is what we find in gas fields.

We had a bog by my house that got hit by lightning and the methane escaping from the decomposing plant matter burned for three months. It stuck with me because the trees burned off in the first few days and after that it was just the bubbling water burning. No way to put it out, they just plowed fire breaks and let it burn. Stunk like nothing I can describe, burning bog is a stench all by itself. Yes I know that pure methane has no smell, but the stuff coming out of a bog isn't real pure.

Now that bog is always creating methane. It is just that normally it simply dissipates and is destroyed in the atmosphere rather than burning on the ground where we can see/smell it.
83 posted on 03/19/2012 8:48:01 AM PDT by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: SeekAndFind
"the crude coming up today is from a geological age different from the original crude"

Huh? How do they determine the geological age of oil?

84 posted on 03/19/2012 8:48:34 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: crusty old prospector
They should also post Thomas Gold's theory about how the moon is pulverized into such minute dust, it won't support men or the moon lander.

Gold had lots of theories.

Gold (nor anyone else) produced oil by his theories.

Biotic oil “theory” allows petroleum geologist to find oil for commercial production.

Abiotic oil theory allows con artists to produce money from gullible investors and occasionally governments. It also produces a lot of worthless emails and related internet junk.

85 posted on 03/19/2012 8:51:07 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

God has indeed given man a renewable energy source:

http://www.ampamericas.com/projects/

Fair Oaks Farm in Indiana shows us how. If you ever do a road trip to the Chicago,Northwest Indiana area, be sure to stop by and spend the day. They do tours and you get to see up close the process from milk to Ice Cream and other dairy products. Most days you can even witness a live birth of a calf!


86 posted on 03/19/2012 8:52:45 AM PDT by uptoolate (Republicans sure do like their liberalism)
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To: mo
The left can’t stand the idea that someone else runs something......

That's the bottom line behind all of the anthropogenic global warming foolishness. If WE caused the problem then WE can fix it because WE are the most powerful beings known to exist. That's their thought process, because there's no way that they'll accept the idea that we're not in control of all we survey.

George Carlin's "Save the Planet" routine (on YouTube) stung the lefties badly because it mocked their hubris.

87 posted on 03/19/2012 8:55:01 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: GonzoGOP

Yes, I was speaking of oil. When it continues to decay, it will produce more methane.

Older petroleum fields are often identified as “thermally mature”. Enough time and heat and little is left but methane.

In the refineries, we apply the same principle, adding pressure and heat to thermally crack heavier petroleum molecules into lighter ones that are more valuable (gasoline, diesel, etc). Those process also produce methane, ethane and the like. Process engineers spend a lot of time tweaking the exact oil to pressure/heat/time combinations to maximize the desired products.


88 posted on 03/19/2012 8:58:05 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DannyTN
How do they determine the geological age of oil?

They don't. They just convince the gullible with simple articles that they did.

89 posted on 03/19/2012 8:59:18 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: trailhkr1; thackney; joe fonebone

>>Srs. you need to take a basic education courses, not at the college level but 5-6 grade level. Your response is embarrassing to say the least <<

Open your mind Newbie.


90 posted on 03/19/2012 9:01:10 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: trailhkr1; thackney

Oh and let me just add, thackney is FR’s premier energy experts. He has much more than a 5th or 6th grade education.


91 posted on 03/19/2012 9:04:12 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Even if oil were limitless, they will still want to see windmills, ocean wave farms, solar panels, and God knows what other green energy.

Keep in mind they only want to see that stuff until it starts becoming successful and popular. Then they want to shut down the windmills because they kill birds and so forth. The environmentalists' goal is to punish humanity for existing. Every other goal they claim to have is just something they use as an excuse.

92 posted on 03/19/2012 9:04:21 AM PDT by JediJones (The Divided States of Obama's Declaration of Dependence: Death, Taxes and the Pursuit of Crappiness)
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To: exit82
Every day we consume 19 million barrels of oil, every single day!

How many brontosauruses is that?


I always assumed oil was created by the Flood of Noah, and that all this biomass covered up at once is the oil. I'm curious, what is the chemical breakdown of crude as it is pumped out of the earth? Could it be decomposed matter?
93 posted on 03/19/2012 9:04:35 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: netmilsmom
Oh and let me just add, thackney is FR’s premier energy experts. He has much more than a 5th or 6th grade education.

Wow, that means he got to use the shart scissors and real qlue while I was stuck with kiddie scissors and eatnig the nice tasting glue paste we used to have ...
94 posted on 03/19/2012 9:08:48 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: trailhkr1
Oil is the result of extreme pressure, heat and lot's of time.

An silly theory. For decades we have used heat and pressure to break down oil into smaller, less complex molecules.

We can make methane (natural gas) out of crude oil this way, but the target is to take the heavy crude and make gasoline, diesel etc.

What happens in the earth is the complex organic molecules of mostly algae, plankton, etc get trapped without an oxygen source on the bottom of lake and sea beds. Their complex organic molecules are reduced to hydrocarbon molecules. If enough heat, pressure and time is given, it will break down nearly all of it to natural gas.

http://www.hk-phy.org/energy/power/source_phy/flash/formation_e.html

With land plants, the similar process creates coal.

http://www.hk-phy.org/energy/power/source_phy/flash/formation_e.html

Srs. you need to take a basic education courses, not at the college level but 5-6 grade level.

I thought the animations at the link would be simple enough for you to understand.

95 posted on 03/19/2012 9:11:50 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: DannyTN

You can look at the geochemical isotopes of both the oil and the source rock and find the source of the crude. Kind of like a DNA match for humans.


96 posted on 03/19/2012 9:12:48 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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To: netmilsmom
thackney is FR’s premier energy experts

Just the more vocal one. Plenty of FReepers here know more than I on the subject. Many of them get tired of battling windmills.

97 posted on 03/19/2012 9:13:22 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: PapaBear3625

“It doesn’t matter if oil is a renewing resource. What matters is whether new oil is being created at a rate comparable to the rate at which it is being consumed.”

I’m no scientist, but being on FR has taught me to think a bit.....That said, what if drilling a well and removing oil somehow “stimulates” the creation process and the more we use then the more is created?

I’m just throwing an idea on the table....

;-)


98 posted on 03/19/2012 9:23:54 AM PDT by CSM
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To: thackney

“Abiotic oil theory allows con artists to produce money from gullible investors and occasionally governments. It also produces a lot of worthless emails and related internet junk. “

Well put, unlike those of us in thr industry that have to produce real rather than imaginary oil.


99 posted on 03/19/2012 9:24:37 AM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: netmilsmom; thackney

When I close my eyes, I see a guy with a slide rule, a pocket protector, a box of old Texaco pencil extenders (so you could use them down to the nub,) and a copy of SPE’s “Greatest Hits”, including Gas-Lift Valve Installation (or How to Become a Mom and Pop), Underbalanced Drilling as a Reality Show, and Where Have All the Tubing-Conveyed Perforators Gone?


100 posted on 03/19/2012 9:26:24 AM PDT by crusty old prospector
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