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A pre-schooler, his rabbi dad, paratroopers _ a look at the victims of a French killer
The Washington Post ^ | March 19, 2012 | Staff

Posted on 03/19/2012 5:12:49 PM PDT by Cincinna

Edited on 03/19/2012 6:46:19 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Seven people have been killed and two seriously injured in three attacks in southern France over the past eight days. President Nicolas Sarkozy says the same person and same handgun were behind all three attacks.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; france; paratrooperkilling; sarkozy
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1 posted on 03/19/2012 5:12:53 PM PDT by Cincinna
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To: Cincinna

Taking bets the killer was Amish.


2 posted on 03/19/2012 5:19:49 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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Our hearts and prayers go out to the families of the three little children and their father murdered today in Toulouse. As well as to the families if the French paratroopers killed last week.
President Sarkozy has declared a full terrorist alert and national mourning for the seven victims killed in three separate incidents with the same weapon.

from France24.com in English:
Just four days later on Thursday, March 15, two soldiers were fatally shot in the nearby town of Montauban as they queued at a cash point. A third soldier was seriously injured and remains in hospital.

Because all the victims were Jewish or soldiers of North African or Caribbean origin, questions are being asked as to whether the killer’s actions could be racially motivated. Toulouse Mayor Pierre Cohen said “Everything leads one to believe that these were racist and anti-semmitic acts.”
Terror alert raised
Police have also confirmed that the black-clad killer used the same scooter to flee the scene of the murders on each occasion. Police sources told local media the scooter – a black Yamaha - had been stolen in Toulouse on March 6.
Dozens of anti-terrorist police from all over France have been drafted in to help the investigation and security has been stepped-up at all religious buildings across the country.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy responded on Monday by raising the terror alert to its highest level in the south west of France, and pledged to catch the killer.
A professional shooter
Despite the shootings taking place in broad daylight in front of many witnesses, the shooter made sure his face remained hidden by wearing a crash helmet. However, one witness reportedly told police she saw part of the man’s face, which bore a “tattoo-like” mark.
The cold blooded method of the killings has given detectives the impression they are dealing with an experienced and trained gunman.
“This is someone who is used to shooting guns,” a police source working on the case told La Depeche. “At Montauban he reloaded his automatic weapon without showing any sign of panic.”
Before Monday’s attack against schoolchildren, the professional nature of the soldier shootings and the fact servicemen had been targeted left investigators looking towards the ranks of the military for a possible culprit.


3 posted on 03/19/2012 5:23:56 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna

I just read that 3 paratroopers who were thrown out of the French Army for posing in a picture with a swastika flag are being looked at as prime suspects. One of three, anyway.


4 posted on 03/19/2012 5:30:51 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: freedumb2003

There are seven young people assassinated, including tgree young children, and five grieving families.
Please try and keep the foolish and stupid comments to a minimum.


5 posted on 03/19/2012 5:30:52 PM PDT by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna

The French let them in.


6 posted on 03/19/2012 5:31:11 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: freedumb2003
No question about it.

I don't know if it's art imitating life or, life imitating art.

7 posted on 03/19/2012 5:31:54 PM PDT by moehoward
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To: Cincinna

Sounds more and more like Islamic Jihadism, doesn’t it?


8 posted on 03/19/2012 5:42:09 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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To: freedumb2003

Be more specific. Iranian Amish, I bet.


9 posted on 03/19/2012 5:46:26 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: SatinDoll

Based on the victim set, I suppose the perp could be a Nazi, who hates Jews and foreigners. Or the shooter could be a Muslim jihadist, who hates Jews and regards fellow Muslims serving in the military as traitors.


10 posted on 03/19/2012 5:47:38 PM PDT by Dagnabitt ("None of the above" ain't running.)
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To: SatinDoll

No, it doesn’t. It doesn’t look like anything until we get more leads on the perpetrator. Speculation without facts can be as harmful as a deliberate lie. So far the victims are Jews, Caribbean, and Arabs.


11 posted on 03/19/2012 5:47:47 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GAB-1955; Dagnabitt

I used to work a desk in Medterranean, North African, and Middle Eastern intelligence for NACSECGRU. The situation in France, Spain, and Italy are a long time in coming. The time is ripe.

“...the shooter could be a Muslim jihadist, who hates Jews and regards fellow Muslims serving in the military as traitors.”

This is my opinion, too, Dagnabitt.


12 posted on 03/19/2012 5:55:45 PM PDT by SatinDoll (No Foreign Nationals as our President!)
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13 posted on 03/19/2012 6:08:42 PM PDT by SJackson (The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
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To: SatinDoll
Could be. But I want to find out what the French police know before I call this person anything but “murderer”. Jihadist is high on my guess, but neo-Nazi is number two on the list.
14 posted on 03/19/2012 6:23:36 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Cincinna

>>There are seven young people assassinated, including tgree young children, and five grieving families.
Please try and keep the foolish and stupid comments to a minimum.<<

It is not my bad you can’t see the deep sarcasm. We know what group did this, and we know why.

I make light of nothing in this. I make pointed commentary.


15 posted on 03/19/2012 6:23:49 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
The French let invited them in.

We, too, share that suicide gene. It is just slower to be demonstrated.

16 posted on 03/19/2012 6:26:24 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: freedumb2003
via TimesOfIsrael – photos are posted of the victims

Rabbi Jonathan Sandler

Jonathan Sandler, pictured with his two slain sons and with his wife

8 yr. old Miriam Monsonego

Three additional children, ages 6-8, are fighting for their lives (via JewishPress).

Prayers go up for them.

ברוך אתה ה’ אלוהינו מלך העולם, דיין האמת. Baruch Dayan HaEmet! Blessed are You, Lord our God, the true Judge.

המקום ינחם אתכם בתוך שאר אבלי ציון וירושלים

May Gd comfort you among the mourners of Zion and Jerusalem

BBC provides further details from recent scooter shooter reports:

The killer was described as a small man who acted calmly, stopping to change the magazine of his pistol. Witnesses described how he had turned over one of the wounded men who was trying to crawl away, and fired three more shots into him. He was someone obviously used to handling a gun, a judicial source told AFP. One witness, who described the killer as “of average height and quite fat”, told French broadcaster RTL his helmet visor had been raised and she had seen his eyes and a tattoo or scar on his face.

“one of the soldier victims had a criminal record, other than a speeding offence in one case, seems to undermine the theory of a gangland motive. Furthermore, the soldiers in Montauban did not know the sergeant killed in Toulouse, according to France TV Info.

Note: below the halfway point on the page, a gratuitous link to Breivik

What the victims have in common is that they belong to, or are associated with, ethnic or religious minorities – North African, Caribbean and Jewish.

* On Sunday 11 March, Imad Ibn-Ziaten, a 30-year-old staff sergeant in the 1st Airborne Transportation Regiment, not in uniform, was shot dead around 16:00 (15:00 GMT) behind a school in a quiet district of Toulouse.He had posted a small ad on a website to sell a Suzuki Bandit motorcycle, and the suspected gunman had arranged a meeting to see it.

*Thursday, March 15th – Two members of the 17th Airborne Combat Engineering Regiment, Corporal Abel Chennouf, 24 ( Catholic?), and

Private Mohamed Legouad, 26, were killed. Both, like Sgt Ibn-Ziaten, were of North African origin.

A third paratrooper, 28-year-old Corporal Loic Liber from the French overseas region of Guadeloupe (of Afro-Caribbean descent), was left in a coma. The sergeant was found shot in the head, his motorcycle beside him.

==========About Toulouse===========


17 posted on 03/19/2012 6:48:54 PM PDT by wtd
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A comment placed at the link about the 'scooter shooter's' ealier victims appears to clarify the religion of each soldier which was incorrectly assumed to be Muslim:

via MidiLibre

ABEL is CATHOLIC and FRENCH. The second soldier killed at Montauban is MUSLIM, like that of Toulouse. Loic is the injured LEIBER Guadeloupe and FRENCH CATHOLIC

18 posted on 03/19/2012 7:44:12 PM PDT by wtd
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To: wtd

About Toulouse===========

751 No Go Areas in France for non-Muslims


19 posted on 03/19/2012 7:44:54 PM PDT by pabianice (")
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20 posted on 03/19/2012 7:45:54 PM PDT by pabianice (")
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