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Mask Coming Off Coordinated Administration Deception On Guns
Ammoland ^ | 19 March, 2012 | David Codrea

Posted on 03/19/2012 6:30:21 PM PDT by marktwain

USA --(Ammoland.com)- “We need to do this every day of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way,” then-U.S. Attorney Eric Holder advocated in a 1995 C-SPAN video that surfaced over the weekend on Breitbart.com and has since gone viral in the gun activist community.

Comparing it to the way government helped create a stigma for smoking, Holder bragged “Now we have people who cower outside of buildings and kind of smoke in private and don’t want to admit it.”

This was consistent with the administration talking points message being promulgated through another branch of government at that time:

Dr. Mark Rosenberg, Director of the CDC’s National Center for Injury Control and Prevention (NCIPC) in 1994 told The Washington Post: “We need to revolutionize the way we look at guns, like what we did with cigarettes. Now it [sic] is dirty, deadly, and banned.”

That a fundamental right is treated as a stigmatized vice should be no surprise—after all, the White House makes no secret of how they wish for us to perceive it, and how they will lie to us to ensure that perception:

The Second Amendment gives citizens the right to bear arms.

“Lie” is not too strong a word. They know that’s not a true statement.

Continue reading on Examiner.com http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-in-national/mask-coming-off-coordinated-administration-deception-on-guns

About David Codrea: David Codrea is a long-time gun rights advocate who defiantly challenges the folly of citizen disarmament. He is a field editor for GUNS Magazine, and a blogger at The War on Guns: Notes from the Resistance. Read more at www.DavidCodrea.com.


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Motive for Fast and Furious is clear to everyone who reads this.
1 posted on 03/19/2012 6:30:38 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: MestaMachine

Gunwalker ping.


2 posted on 03/19/2012 6:31:37 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
"Holder bragged “Now we have people who cower outside of buildings and kind of smoke in private and don’t want to admit it.”

The anti-smoking crusade was never really about health. It was always about control and forced behavior modification, and gave the tyrants any number of legal precedents they can now employ against any endeavor or activity they so choose.

3 posted on 03/19/2012 6:36:32 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: marktwain

They knew the ploy’s wouldn’t last. They underestimated how long it would hold up.


4 posted on 03/19/2012 6:38:43 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: marktwain

Everything the Obama administration tries blows up in their faces. You would think that multitudes of Obamanites would be abandoning ship on a daily basis.


5 posted on 03/19/2012 6:39:23 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: marktwain

Yup, and while I knew they were doing this with guns and smoking for years.. it now cements in my mind that every stat they put out about smoking is BS and flat out lies as well. Its all about control.


6 posted on 03/19/2012 6:39:37 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: marktwain

Gun owners + Christians together can defeat Obama.


7 posted on 03/19/2012 6:46:19 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: doc1019

Everything the Obama administration tries blows up in their faces.”

Be of good cheer...they are trying explosives!


8 posted on 03/19/2012 6:50:15 PM PDT by jessduntno ("Newt Gingrich was part of the Reagan Revolution's Murderers' Row." - Jeffrey Lord, Reagan Admin.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
The anti-smoking crusade was never really about health. It was always about control and forced behavior modification, and gave the tyrants any number of legal precedents they can now employ against any endeavor or activity they so choose.

Exactly.

Try explaining that to people. People do not believe in freedom, they only think they do. They've been conditioned to think they are free, and to think they want to be free, when in fact they do not.

If you will not stand up for your neighbor's right to allow smoking in his own bar, or his own truck-stop cafe, then the precedent is in place and no one will be able to stick up for you when its your turn to face the machine.

9 posted on 03/19/2012 6:50:31 PM PDT by marron
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To: doc1019

National healthcare still looks pretty strong.
So do gas prices.
So do the closing of 50 pefectly good and desperately needed power plants.

Need more? there are hundreds.


10 posted on 03/19/2012 6:50:37 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Liberals, at their core, are aggressive & dangerous to everyone around them,)
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To: doc1019; All
Everything the Obama administration tries blows up in their faces. You would think that multitudes of Obamanites would be abandoning ship on a daily basis.

The only thing holding the administration together is the support of the main stream media. But, the administration would never have been elected without their active support.

11 posted on 03/19/2012 6:57:47 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

No doubt. Reading the news how they caught the guy and let him go was just another painful reminder that F&F was never about catching criminals.


12 posted on 03/19/2012 6:58:04 PM PDT by visualops (artlife.us)
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To: Joe 6-pack
"Holder bragged “Now we have people who cower outside of buildings and kind of smoke in private and don’t want to admit it.”

Ah, and how did they accomplish that without the mainstream media? ... oops, my bad. We got the media and lawyers to thank for all this.

13 posted on 03/19/2012 7:01:04 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: marktwain

STrange thing is Libertarians like the fact that Obama is not shy about smoking and that the media lets him do it. CAn we say double standards?


14 posted on 03/19/2012 7:02:17 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: marktwain

Well said.


15 posted on 03/19/2012 7:05:35 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: marktwain

Meanwhile, the drumbeat of Dictator Baby-Doc Barak continues to grow louder - - .


16 posted on 03/19/2012 7:12:21 PM PDT by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: eXe

“Yup, and while I knew they were doing this with guns and smoking for years.. it now cements in my mind that every stat they put out about smoking is BS and flat out lies as well. It’s all about control.”

As a former smoker (not antismoker, I hasten to add) I have to agree. It’s about control. I remember the antismoking PSA offensive hit fever pitch in the 1970’s when they screamed “thirty percent of smokers will die of lung cancer!!”

No math major but I deduced that this meant that seventy percent of smokers would not die of lung cancer. Well, shazaam!

I quit because I made a personal decision. That’s all.


17 posted on 03/19/2012 7:32:32 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport all Muslims. Nuke Mecca now. Death to Islam means freedom for all mankind.")
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To: marktwain

Tactics of a totalitarian...right from his mouth. AG Holder...you manipulative, cowardly, punk POS. RESIGN.


18 posted on 03/19/2012 7:47:48 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: marktwain
“We need to do this every day of the week and just really brainwash people into thinking about guns in a vastly different way,”

Works for me! I used to think I could get along owning one or two guns. NOW...well... maybe one or two a month ain't so bad afterall.

19 posted on 03/19/2012 7:50:05 PM PDT by 41Thunder (The SUPPLY of Government is GREATER than the DEMAND of the people)
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To: marktwain

With all the whacked-out, radical, anti-American crap that comes out of these scumbags’ mouths when they’re on tape, one has to wonder about all the radical, anti-American crap they say when they’re NOT on tape.


20 posted on 03/19/2012 8:27:09 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: marktwain

Unfortunately, the author repeats a commonly quoted falsehood that does as much harm as good, IMHO: “The Second Amendment gives citizens the right to bear arms.” It does no such thing!

Here’s a simple reminder to all the intellectually lazy out there: your God-given rights predate the Constitution! You don’t get them from the Constitution, or the federal geoverment, or any other [earthly] authority. You were BORN FREE with natural rights, and the founders of this [once] great country believed that the [only] legitimate purpose of a government was to preserve those rights. Go back and read the Declaration of Independence and PAY ATTENTION to the actual words this time!

(I apologize for the rant, but the first step in winning back our freedoms is to re-establish the correct meaning of the words used in the argument. Those who succumb to using the collectivists’ language will *never* win over any hearts or minds, and do a disservice to the rest of us who do not wish to be forced over the cliff and into the abyss with all the lemmings).


21 posted on 03/19/2012 8:59:07 PM PDT by SonAboveAnItch
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To: marktwain; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; ...

“Now we have people who cower outside of buildings and kind of smoke in private and don’t want to admit it.”

Um...we don’t cower, holder. Watch. Ping.


22 posted on 03/19/2012 9:39:04 PM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: JudgemAll
CAn we say double standards?

"Rules for thee and not for me!" has been the liberal's motto for ages.

23 posted on 03/20/2012 12:55:47 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: marktwain
The Second Amendment protects the First Amendment.
24 posted on 03/20/2012 1:15:08 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: marktwain
It was "Murdergate" from the start.

Over 300 innocents have been killed, and ABCNNBCBS are part of the coverup.


25 posted on 03/20/2012 6:35:12 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Smokin' Joe

It’s using terror exagerated tactics against a mere nuisance.

There is no difference (but maybe cousin ones ) between radical islam’s stoning to death in hypocrisy of women and the way smoking is treated in AMerica.

These are police perverted tactics.

Who has never feared cast the first stone on a smoker looking for a break. Who has never plaid the lottery cast the stone on a man carrying a gun guarding a safe meant for gambling money.

Liberals are the ever shrinking human hypocrite who explodes here and there in freak behaviors.


26 posted on 03/20/2012 6:35:52 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Smokin' Joe

It’s using terror exagerated tactics against a mere nuisance.

There is no difference (but maybe cousin ones ) between radical islam’s stoning to death in hypocrisy of women and the way smoking is treated in AMerica.

These are police perverted tactics.

Who has never feared cast the first stone on a smoker looking for a break. Who has never plaid the lottery cast the stone on a man carrying a gun guarding a safe meant for gambling money.

Liberals are the ever shrinking human hypocrite who explodes here and there in freak behaviors. The liberal is a human experiment by sick accademics hiding behind books.


27 posted on 03/20/2012 6:36:18 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: elcid1970
It’s about control. I remember the antismoking PSA offensive hit fever pitch in the 1970’s when they screamed “thirty percent of smokers will die of lung cancer!!” No math major but I deduced that this meant that seventy percent of smokers would not die of lung cancer.

If they said that they were lying. Only 7% of smokers contract lung cancer. That is double the rate of non-smokers which is 3.5%. I got that from an American Cancer Society publication in the '80s. Good luck finding any statistic on that now. I spent hours searching for it and it's not publically available anymore.

But the numbers you heard in that anti-smoking campaign are a lot like the "90% of guns in Mexico are from the U.S." statistic. Pure BS propaganda created out of whole cloth. The government and MSM are lawless and lie at will.

28 posted on 03/20/2012 1:00:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: SonAboveAnItch

You’re right.


29 posted on 03/20/2012 1:03:03 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
The anti-smoking crusade was never really about health. It was always about control and forced behavior modification, and gave the tyrants any number of legal precedents they can now employ against any endeavor or activity they so choose.

Pure tobacco also has quite a few benefits, which have been drowned out by hysteria and also cancelled by the carcinogenic chemicals put into cigarettes. So they had to get rid of those, which were mainly calming. Then smokers could be shifted over to antidepressants.

I truly believe they looked around when they first wanted to push antidepressants to find what their competition was, and tobacco was it.

These days, libtards are so whacked about tobacco it literally makes them froth. I was walking around a public garden smoking a cigar - the smoke of which didn't come anywhere near anyone there - when one of the gardners, a woman, came up to me and told me that I should smoke there "because it's an organic garden."

Her logic stopped me cold. I just stared at her rightious idiocy, took a puff, and realized there was absolutely no possible way to reach the universe her mind inhabited.

So I just said "thank you for your opinion" and walked away.

I truly don't know how liberals get through life - their stupidity and arrogance and aggression has reached such an extreme, they've become aliens to life itself (and I mean that sincerely - more than one has remarked to me that they genuinely believe that the only way to "heal the earth" is to "get rid of ALL of humanity").

The cowardice and hypocrisy of these people is breathtaking.

30 posted on 03/20/2012 1:19:57 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker
....and told me that I should smoke there "because it's an organic garden."

Should have been: ...and told me that I should NOT smoke there "because it's an organic garden."

31 posted on 03/20/2012 1:23:54 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: SonAboveAnItch

To which post were you referring? The Examiner article takes people to task for stating the “the Second Amendment “gives” citizens the right to bear arms.” The author even references Heller in the article, while destroying that premise:

“That a fundamental right is treated as a stigmatized vice should be no surprise—after all, the White House makes no secret of how they wish for us to perceive it, and how they will lie to us to ensure that perception:

The Second Amendment gives citizens the right to bear arms.

“Lie” is not too strong a word. They know that’s not a true statement. From District of Columbia v. Heller:

The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it “shall not be infringed.” As we said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U. S. 542, 553 (1876) , “[t]his is not a right granted by the Constitution. Neither is it in any manner dependent upon that instrument for its existence. The Second amendment declares that it shall not be infringed … .”

So we have proven liars who admit their intent is to “brainwash” the citizenry into rejecting their rights, and who intentionally deceive on the nature of those rights and their ability to usurp them: after all, if permission is required, that which can be granted can be withheld.”


32 posted on 03/21/2012 4:18:48 PM PDT by Ned W.
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