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Illinois primary a must win for Santorum, it is time to do or die
WashTimes ^ | 3-20-12 | picht

Posted on 03/20/2012 11:59:18 AM PDT by VinL

Newt Gingrich had to win Mississippi and Alabama in order to remain a viable candidate. Those states weren't essential because of their delegate counts or their importance to the national election, but because Gingrich had won nothing outside the South and staked everything on a southern strategy.

He lost. He remains in the campaign, but he's a ghost, a bitter aftertaste, and a thorn in Rick Santorum's side.

Santorum now faces his own "must win" primary, Illinois. He's won more states than Gingrich, but his strength so far has been in the Midwest and South, and in neither region has he been able to dominate. Romney has picked up a share of delegates everywhere, managing in some cases to deny Santorum more than a tiny delegate advantage when Santorum has beat him in the popular vote. Even where Santorum wins, he doesn't manage to close Romney's lead. (long snip to conclusion)

Of course, there's a chance that Santorum could prevail in Illinois. If that happens, the state won't be pivotal in the nomination race. It's pivotal only if it goes strongly to Romney. Otherwise, it's just one more in a long and tedious series of primaries and caucuses.

Close campaigns are often more interesting, but in this case, the less close it is, the more interesting it will be.

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"Of course, there's a chance that Santorum could prevail in Illinois. If that happens, the state won't be pivotal in the nomination race. It's pivotal only if it goes strongly to Romney. Otherwise, it's just one more in a long and tedious series of primaries and caucuses."

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Don't you just love the Wash Times' policy: when Romney wins, it's an unassailable and insurmountable victory; and when he loses, it's a "do-over".

1 posted on 03/20/2012 11:59:31 AM PDT by VinL
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To: VinL
Santorum now faces his own "must win" primary, Illinois.

Since when did this become the meme? This seems to be a fabrication of the MSM today.

2 posted on 03/20/2012 12:07:18 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: VinL

Romney has to be unhappy. He still has no message, and this pesky sweater vest guy is bankrupting him to boot.


3 posted on 03/20/2012 12:08:16 PM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)
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To: VinL

“Of course, there’s a chance that Santorum could prevail in Illinois. If that happens, the state won’t be pivotal in the nomination race.”

Their analysis is correct in this sense Vin. If Santorum’s goal is to win the nomination outright, a win in Illinois is inconsequential because he can’t win the nomination outright. If on the other hand Romney were to win Illinois, it may prove pivotal because Romney would be seen as unstoppable (looking through the lens of “it’s either Santorum or Romney” which I reject).


4 posted on 03/20/2012 12:08:49 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: VinL

Since it is march madness, I will use a basketball analogy.

When it is the beginning of the 2nd half and you are down by 20 points, you need to start making baskets. If you are up by 20, you need to make baskets to finish the guy off but if you don’t, you can still can win by having a dog fight at the end.


5 posted on 03/20/2012 12:08:53 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: VinL

Since it is march madness, I will use a basketball analogy.

When it is the beginning of the 2nd half and you are down by 20 points, you need to start making baskets. If you are up by 20, you need to make baskets to finish the guy off but if you don’t, you can still can win by having a dog fight at the end.


6 posted on 03/20/2012 12:09:06 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: VinL

Of course, there’s a chance that Santorum could prevail in Illinois. If that happens, the state won’t be pivotal in the nomination race. It’s pivotal only if it goes strongly to Romney. Otherwise, it’s just one more in a long and tedious series of primaries and caucuses.

Good God they aren’t even faking their hope for Romney. If Santorum wins, doesn’t matter.....if Santorum loses, worst thing on Earth. So disgusting.


7 posted on 03/20/2012 12:09:28 PM PDT by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Why is it a must win. Y’all know there is no such thing.

I guess I should know that a must win for someone else is an omen that Romney is going to win the state by hook or crook. Literally.


8 posted on 03/20/2012 12:10:44 PM PDT by dforest
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To: VinL

I have some family in Illinois and according the them (yea, it’s antidote) that it does not look good for not-Romney anybody.
They also beleive that BHO will win there in a landslide.


9 posted on 03/20/2012 12:16:36 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: VinL

Neither one of ‘em, Rick or Newt, can get it done.

Things are what they are.

Santorum was never the pick in my book and that hasn’t changed.

Newt, play out your strategy for whatever it’s worth, and I’m glad you’re still out there. You are personally a lightning rod and an effective thinker and communicator.

Give the E what for.

Your the one they absolutely had to stop.

Make them pay.

Get what you can out of it, for America, and for every day Americans like us.

That said, I hope Sarah Palin becomes much more involved.

(This story didn’t fool me...Newt suffers worse in it than does anyone else, but it’s supposedly about Romney and Santorum. Got their number.)


10 posted on 03/20/2012 12:17:22 PM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: dforest

There is a kernel of truth here, there usually is even with the main line press. Rick really can not afford to get further behind. If he loses here, then it becomes really difficult to see hime get the delegates he needs. It is already and up hill battle. And even if Rick can force a contested convention, he has little or no chance of getting the nomination. He could maybe force his way onto the ticket as V.P. That would be the worse case senerio for those of us who want to win in November. Rick is an incredibly weak general election candidate, but would be much worse as V.P. candidate. It is doubtful that he would be able to deliver even his home state. Rick is at best a second tier candidate with some upside. He will not be President, and that most likely is a good thing.

Yes, full disclosure, I am a Newt supporter. I do not enjoy saying these things about Rick Santorum, and I will support and vote for him if I have to. I pray I don’t have to. I pray everyday.

Go Newt.


11 posted on 03/20/2012 12:19:36 PM PDT by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: VinL

Relying on the state of ILL-and-Annoy to come through in the clutch for true conservatives is a rusty pipe dream. Its gonna be the Myth who wins it there. Hope I’m wrong....


12 posted on 03/20/2012 12:21:33 PM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny)
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To: txrangerette

“Our national GOP poll, out tomorrow, finds Republicans like Sarah Palin more than any of their actual candidates”

https://twitter.com/#!/ppppolls/status/182175853810171904


13 posted on 03/20/2012 12:25:47 PM PDT by Josh Painter ("We intend to change Washington, not accomodate it." - Newt Gingrich)
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To: VinL

Romney wins where GOP loses and loses where GOP wins. Illinois is a blue state with the Chicago machine controlling the votes.

We already know how the votes will be counted.


14 posted on 03/20/2012 12:28:23 PM PDT by Mechanicos (Why does the DOE have a SWAT Team?)
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To: napscoordinator

That was my point in posting. In truth, if Rick wins tonight, it would be a huge loss for Romney.

The only reason the Times gets away with publishing this garbage is that, at present, the polls aren’t favorable for Rick. It’s a free shot.


15 posted on 03/20/2012 12:31:17 PM PDT by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: dt57

Actually, I think Rick has developed far better than expected. The voters like him and he doesn’t carry negatives of 60% unfavorability with the voters.

I doubt Rick or Newt will beat Romney. That is a shame because I believe Romney to be the weakest candidate on our side. He can make no legit argument against Obamacare at all. He is just who the dems want in their crosshairs.

I guess Rick can do what Newt is doing even if he loses Illinois, just sit back and go where he wants to go. I think he will carry on awhile after Illinois anyway.

If this should go to a brokered convention, neither Rick or Newt will win there. It is just an inconveniece for the GOP-e. They will find a way to work that one out before it happens.


16 posted on 03/20/2012 12:32:10 PM PDT by dforest
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To: trappedincanuckistan

Difference is Trapped, that you are giving your objective analysis— on the other hand, these creeps are trying to create a narrative.


17 posted on 03/20/2012 12:33:51 PM PDT by VinL (It is better to suffer every wrong, than to consent to wrong.)
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To: svcw
Heard some positive updates from a Freeper who actually LIVES in Illinois and he says the opposite...
..it does not look good for Romney.

I like his version.

18 posted on 03/20/2012 12:36:15 PM PDT by Guenevere (....Whom God calls,... He equips......Press On Santorum!)
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To: Guenevere

Me too. Now remember these are family, and we all know how they can be.


19 posted on 03/20/2012 12:37:37 PM PDT by svcw (CLEAN WATER & Education http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: dt57
And I pray morning and night that Rick Santorum.... a strong contender....will get that nomination!!.....

..there is nothing weak about him....

..it's just your opinion that's weak.

20 posted on 03/20/2012 12:39:01 PM PDT by Guenevere (....Whom God calls,... He equips......Press On Santorum!)
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To: VinL

I didn’t like the snarky comments on Newt either. Sure we say things about Newt politically but that does not mean I want to see him disparaged in the press. It’s like have a brother that you “make fun of”, but don’t let someone else do it or you beat the crap out of them.


21 posted on 03/20/2012 12:39:11 PM PDT by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: All

I say it’s Romney’s “do or die.” Romney has no message, but only does as well as he does by negative messages against the other candidates, now Santorum.

So let’s help kick Romney out of the race soon, by helping out Santorum, if you can afford to:

http://www.ricksantorum.com/
OR

Rick Santorum for President
P.O. Box 37
Verona, PA 15147
OR

1-888-321-6675
(or 1-603-836-5941)


22 posted on 03/20/2012 12:39:22 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: dforest

Well we agree on a few things. LOL.

1) Mitt Romney is the weakest candidate in the field. I even think Ron Paul would do better.
2) Rick has done better than expected. Even Newt is surprised with his level of support.
3) Newt or Rick will not be the nominee if it goes to a brokered convention. The convention will be full of republican establishment types.
4) It is a shame.


23 posted on 03/20/2012 12:40:30 PM PDT by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: dforest

It goes way deeper Obamacare/Romneycare dforest. Romney would be a disaster on virtually every front. His team is stacked with global warming/cap n trade nutjobs. People like Greg Mankiw that favor huge gas tax increases. People that want to index the minimum wage for inflation. People that want to tinker with and “manage” the free market. His record on judges is horrible. He has no serious plans to tackle entitlements. On the social front he wants to use the government to re make society.


24 posted on 03/20/2012 12:41:49 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: VinL; All

People should stop worrying about the media and start recognizing reality. Santorum must catch momentum now or he is finished because the math works against him and his donations will fall off the cliff. Gingrich and Paul are finished other than making a kingmaker deal.

If Romney goes to the convention with 900+ delegates he will be the nominee.

I’m not saying this because I like or support Romney. I’m saying it because that’s the reality of the situation, and the reality of delegate math.


25 posted on 03/20/2012 12:42:29 PM PDT by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: trappedincanuckistan

I agree, that is why Romney is so bad, but it looks like we are gonna get stuck with him.

Too late now.


26 posted on 03/20/2012 12:43:35 PM PDT by dforest
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To: VinL

I agree with that.


27 posted on 03/20/2012 12:46:17 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: dt57

Well, you see, we agree on much. It is just a pity it had to be those things. LOL

Oh brother, jusy sitting here and FOX is on. Obama is going to take another trip. Oh goodie!


28 posted on 03/20/2012 12:46:50 PM PDT by dforest
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To: dforest
Don't even think it....It's never too late!

This is far from over!

29 posted on 03/20/2012 12:47:07 PM PDT by Guenevere (....Whom God calls,... He equips......Press On Santorum!)
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To: dforest

It’s not too late. We need to deny Romney delegates, and take it to a convention. Spill some establishment blood (metaphorically speaking).


30 posted on 03/20/2012 12:49:22 PM PDT by trappedincanuckistan (livefreeordietryin)
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To: Sun

My money and vote go to Newt. I am not giving Santorum my money to watch him run to the left, which he has already started to do. Good luck with that pony.


31 posted on 03/20/2012 12:50:58 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: VinL

A long night ahead as the ballots are sorted..........

snip.....

Illinois election officials: Ballot problem will likely delay GOP primary results

Elections officials in Illinois say dozens of counties are experiencing problems with their ballots, which will likely delay the release of official results from Tuesday’s Republican presidential primary there.

The problem: the ballots are too wide to fit in the optical scanning machines, which tally the votes.

“We don’t know if they printed a little off or the humidity got to them,” said Jane Gasperin, a spokeswoman for the Illinois Board of Elections. “Nobody is being disenfranchised, but it will be a long voting night.”

The issue is affecting 25 of the state’s 110 voting jurisdictions, Gasperin said. After the polls close this evening, workers will probably have to hand-trim the ballots — or hand count them.
end snip

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/illinois-election-officials-ballot-problem-will-likely-delay-gop-primary-results/2012/03/20/gIQAKp2pPS_blog.html


32 posted on 03/20/2012 12:56:03 PM PDT by deport (..............God Bless Texas............)
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To: All; Toespi

There’s a reason these CONSERVATIVE groups gave Rick a great rating:

http://votesmart.org/candidate/evaluations/27054/rick-santorum

“2005 Republican Liberty Caucus – Economic Liberties Score 90%
2004 Republican Liberty Caucus – Positions 87%
2003-2004 Campaign for Working Families – Positions 100%
2003-2004 Concerned Women for America – Positions 100%
2005 American Conservative Union – Positions 92%
2003 Concerned Women for America – Positions 100%
2003 Eagle Forum – Positions 87%
2003 National Journal – Conservative on Economic Policy Score 82%
2003 American Conservative Union – Positions 90%”


33 posted on 03/20/2012 12:58:17 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: dforest

I like it when he goes overseas. I wish he would stay there. Keep him out of Washington is a good thing. I am done with FOX, I had rather watch the enemy stations MSNBC or CNN. At least then I know what to expect, nonsense. I like keeping tabs on the ‘other’ side. FOX on the other hand continually disappoints, to me they are much like Mr. Romney. They really really want me to like them, but they keep ‘looking the other way’, much like the main stream news, on too many important issues. I don’t feel like I have a voice anymore.


34 posted on 03/20/2012 1:04:23 PM PDT by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: Sun

Hmmm. Wonder how these organizations grade him after 2006 and his support of Arlen spector


35 posted on 03/20/2012 1:15:24 PM PDT by Toespi
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To: Guenevere

Oh dear, I was afraid this was going to become about me Guenevere. Now my opinion is weak. No dear, Rick Santorum is not a strong candidate for the position of President of the U.S. He is a failed Jr. Senator from Penn. He is an old school establishment republican. Yes, he is pro-life and I love that about him. Yes, he has been married to the same woman for mulitple years, and I love that about him. You know that describs half the men in the United States including me. But you do not want me to be President I assure you. And we do not want Rick Santorum. He is so far out of his league it is funny.

And I am someone who is trying to like the guy. I want him to be good, really good. But I am not going to build someone up in my mind just because I have no one else to support. I will support and vote for him if I have to. But he will lose if nominated. I got a lot of money in my pocket to back that up if you want to make a friendly wager. Yes, even 10,000 dollars. LOL. And no I am not Rick Perry.

Go Newt.


36 posted on 03/20/2012 2:01:03 PM PDT by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: Toespi

At the time, I sent Santorum an email about being disappointed that he didn’t endorse Toomey.

BUT when I found out it was because he thought that Specter would have a better chance of winning than Toomey, and he wanted the Republicans to have the majority so they would have control of the Judicial Committee, I understood Santorum’s logic. Controlling the Judicial Committee is HUGE, because activist judges can destroy our Constitution and have already harmed it tremendously.

When the Dems have control of the Judicial Committee, they wouldn’t allow many of Bush’s conservative judicial picks to go to the floor for an up, or down, vote. And libDems especially do this if it is a conservative minority, like Estrada.

Pat Toomney later endorsed Santorum, because he knows Santorum is a good man.


37 posted on 03/20/2012 2:12:02 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: dt57; Guenevere

Rick Santorum won 4 races, out of 5, in PA and Rick is very popular in PA NOW!


38 posted on 03/20/2012 2:15:58 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: All

(Rick Santorum) “and you know that I was a leader on welfare reform. I was the guy that led the charge in the US Senate and actually wrote the bill when I was in the House. I was the guy that actually helped end the federal entitlement. I embraced the Ryan plan and said it’s a good first step and frankly I would go even farther than that, ..”

excerpt http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/06/08/the_rick_santorum_interview

Look at Rick’s past CONSERVATIVE history (& he was a leader AND effective), and look at his wonderful CONSERVATIVE principles now. Vote CONSERVATIVE; Vote Rick Santorum!


39 posted on 03/20/2012 2:21:23 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah. Anyone that knows beans about politics knows the most important election is the last one. He was buried alive, 17 points. Yes, in a very bad year, but not that bad. Heaven help us. He is popular in Penn, sure he is. And you base this because he has a lead in some poll for the republican nomination for President. Give me a break. He is considered a religious nut in Penn, and that is why he lost. Now, before you go crazy on me, I do not consider him a religious nut. I apprecite him more than you know. But not as a serious contender for President. He will lose by 10 points or more. He will be a diaster for the down ticket. But that does not matter he is not going to be the republican nominee anyway.


40 posted on 03/20/2012 2:33:55 PM PDT by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: Sun

Yeah, I have heard about how without Rick Santorum, all of Newt’s accomplishment would have never happened. WTF, you can’t be serious. Well, maybe you can be.

You know for a couple of weeks I was really trying to like Rick, and I was listening very closely. And he kept losing me. Now, his followers are driving me crazy. I will be happy to get tonight over with. Maybe they and Rick will shut up for a while, and listen. Listen to who the president is really worried about. Hint: it is not Mitt or Rick.


41 posted on 03/20/2012 2:38:50 PM PDT by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: dt57

Rick is ahead of Obama in 4 key states. Romney is BEHIND Obama in those states. (Don’t have time to look for the link now)

Reagan won a race after losing a race. Where did you get the idea that a person cannot win once they lost a race?

Even PA came to it’s senses.

Whether you agree with me or not, please read my tagline, and join me in prayer each day. I never pray for a certain candidate to win, because God knows who is the best candidate, of course, but I do pray for good leaders.

If enough of us PRAY, I believe God will reward us.


42 posted on 03/20/2012 2:42:35 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Sun

ok, this is the deal. I will pray with you everyday. Actually I was already doing that. :)

AND, if Rick Santorum wins the nominations I will give, work and vote for him as hard as I know how.

How is that?

I am still betting against him in Intrade. I will need to get my money back somehow. LOL>


43 posted on 03/20/2012 2:46:14 PM PDT by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: dt57
It's just a little tiresome to read the same talking points from you and others....

No one is stopping you from voting for Newt.

44 posted on 03/20/2012 2:47:21 PM PDT by Guenevere (....Whom God calls,... He equips......Press On Santorum!)
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To: dt57

“I will pray with you everyday.”

God bless you!


45 posted on 03/20/2012 2:47:41 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: dt57

Tell me you wouldn’t prefer Mitt over Rick Santorum. God I hope that’s not the case.


46 posted on 03/20/2012 2:52:44 PM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Guenevere

Thanks, I was afraid for a minute you would try and stop me. LOL.

This is my deal, I just want to win. And for the life of me I do not see how some of my fellow conservatives believe that Rick Santorum has a chance. Even my two daughters (both social conservatives and born again evangelicals) are threatening to vote for Obama if Rick is the nominee. That does scare the hell out of me. And it should scare you too.


47 posted on 03/20/2012 2:53:35 PM PDT by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: Blue Highway

NO, I could not support or vote for Mitt Romney. Ever. I will vote for Rick no matter what my opinion is of his chances. I would rather have Obama than Mitt Romney. Mitt Romney is a dangerous man and must be stopped.


48 posted on 03/20/2012 2:55:39 PM PDT by dt57 (illerate, noobie....)
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To: VinL

Did everyone see this?

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Gingrich Delegates in IL Switch Support to Santorum
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Posted on March 20, 2012 4:44:34 PM CDT by parksstp

News sources have confirmed Jim Runyon, a Gingrich delegate in IL has agreed in principle with 9 other Gingrich delegates in the 4 CD’s that Rick Santorum failed to field a slate of delegates, that they will pledge their support for Santorum should he reach Tampa. This will have the effect of eliminating the delegate disadvantage in IL that Santorum was facing, particularly in the 13th Congressional District. It’s now possible Santorum may split the delegate allocations by CD with Mitt Romney, or may in face take the lead, despite Romney getting more of the popular vote, since the Congressional Districts around Chicago have less delegates allocated than the more Republican Friendly Congressional Districts in mid/down state.


49 posted on 03/20/2012 3:03:47 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Guenevere

I was surprised at how busy my polling place was. Suburban Chicago—mostly seniors. There were only two electronic voting machines and five paper ballot booths but they were all filled and three of us were waiting to vote. Not sure who this favors.

The unionistas and government workers are swearing their undying loyalty to Obama. However, I have had three “squishy moderates” sheepishly admit recently that they voted for Obama in ‘08 and will vote for whoever the Republican nominee may be.


50 posted on 03/20/2012 3:07:52 PM PDT by Fu-fu2
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