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Gun that killed Florida teen was fired once not twice by crime watch volunteer
bostonherald.com ^ | 20 March, 2012 | Rene Stutzman and Bianca Prieto

Posted on 03/20/2012 7:08:27 PM PDT by marktwain

Edited on 03/20/2012 7:21:16 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

SANFORD, Fla. — The handgun that killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, was fired once — not twice — by a neighborhood crime watch volunteer, according to new information obtained by the Orlando Sentinel.

Police found a single shell casing at the scene, and when they seized George Zimmerman’s handgun, a Kel Tel 9 mm, its magazine was full, according to a source close to the investigation. The only bullet missing was the one in the chamber, the source said.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; florida; georgezimmerman; martin; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: Mariner

Yes, but many people then pull the magazine out and put another bullet in. That’s the “15+1” you see in descriptions as to how much ammo the gun can hold - the 1 is the one in the pipe.


141 posted on 03/20/2012 10:27:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: DesertRhino
How about that Zimmerman was tape recorded, stalking him,, pissed off that the “assholes always get away” and there’s in not the slightest evidence that the kid was doing anything wrong, or seeking a confrontation.

Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch, called to watch, and called 911. Describing that as "stalking" him is a flat-out lie. IF he ever said “assholes always get away” (and you provided no cite), it could easily be the reason why he was on the neighborhood watch - so they wouldn't get away. And if someone called him to watch, and this guy was acting strange, checking out houses, then he should be watched.

Criminals don't like being watched. It pisses them off, and they are known to attack the watcher. THAT is what seems to have happened, from the 911 tapes themselves.

Where is your evidence that the bully wasn't the "kid," and Zimmerman wasn't defending himself? Who was the neighborhood watch calling 911, and who was the stranger checking out houses at night?

Your reasoning is ass-backwards and you know it.

142 posted on 03/20/2012 10:33:03 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

but when the gun is fired, one case ejects and a new live round is stripped from the mag, leaving it one round less than full.


143 posted on 03/20/2012 10:37:26 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: NMCicero

Unfortunately 17 year olds commit all kinds of violent crimes increasing in numbers. And black males particularly.

Hopefully the truth will be found out and justice done, which unfortunately is increasingly rare, and with the race pimps slavering to turn it into a hatefest, is more nad more doubtful, esp. with the racist DOJ getting involved.

And hoping that Sharpton and others of his ilk will ever reflect on anything other than fomenting race hatred and their own lust for power is nothing but silly talk. They’re wedded to their hatred and nothing will ever change them.


144 posted on 03/20/2012 10:37:49 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

I was talking about how much a gun can hold, not how it operates.


145 posted on 03/20/2012 10:40:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: DesertRhino

If I tell you I am from the neighborhood watch, ask your name and what you’re doing, and you come at me, hit me, knock me down and continue attacking me, I’m going to shoot you.


146 posted on 03/20/2012 10:42:57 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Josa

Zimmerman is hispanic, not white.


147 posted on 03/20/2012 10:43:13 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: marktwain

Sure, I can understand why Mr. Zimmerman might have felt threatened once he realized he had bitten off more than he could chew. The problem as I see it is that he put himself in that situation. (And I base my conclusion from the 911 tapes)

There is no reason to believe (based on the evidence available at this time) to think that Mr. Martin was guilty of anything except being at the wrong place at the wrong time. Mr. Zimmerman appears to have been looking for a confrontation, and he found one.

I won’t speculate further as to his state of mind, but I will say that even if his actions could be considered self-defense under the laws of the State of Florida, the fact that he was acting in some sort of official capacity (presumably the neighborhood watch enjoys some official sanction) may in fact make this a civil rights issue, and the involvement of the Justice Department may be appropriate, particularly given the fact that the local police seem to be firmly in his corner for reasons that we can only speculate about.

In any case, a law that permits someone to start a fight and then kill the person they attacked if the fight doesn’t go their way is insane and needs to be changed.

Anyway, I can’t imagine what the young man’s parents are going through right now. I just cannot fathom what it must be like to see your son gunned down like a dog in the street and then watch his killer walk away a free man.


148 posted on 03/20/2012 10:45:43 PM PDT by NMCicero
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To: Secret Agent Man; Mariner
You were responding to post 31 in which mariner stated, quite correctly, that once you pull the trigger in a semi-automatic pistol, the magazine will no longer be "full," like the article suggests. He was saying the article containeed facts that can't possibly be true, unless Zimmerman topped off the magazine after shooting.

What were you trying to say?

149 posted on 03/20/2012 10:47:43 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: NMCicero
In any case, a law that permits someone to start a fight and then kill the person they attacked if the fight doesn’t go their way is insane and needs to be changed.

What evidence is there that Zimmerman started a fight. His head wounds?

150 posted on 03/20/2012 10:52:11 PM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: little jeremiah

Sadly, you’re probably right about that.


151 posted on 03/20/2012 10:57:15 PM PDT by NMCicero
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To: marktwain; All
Hi Mark, and ALL
Mark stated:”I am stating that his being tall makes Zimmerman's account of self defense more credible.”

MY COMMENT: I sat in on two different 1st degree murder trials in the late fifties, in Fairbanks Alaska. In both cases the defendents pleaded self defense. It took less than 30 minutes for the Juries to acquit.

In one case the shooter shot the victim in the knee and then emptied his gun in his back as he lay on the ground in front of him. When asked why he shot him so many times in the back, he said he was sure the victim had a gun and he wanted to make sure he was dead before he got a chance to use it.

In the other one the victim, who was unarmed, had knocked the shooter down and was standing over him when the shooter pulled out his gun and shot him in the head, killing him.

He argued that he felt sure the victim knew he had a gun and that the victim would take it away from him and use it on him. Therefore he shot him and he shot to kill because once he had shot him he knew the guy would retaliate if he let him live.

In both cases the Jury agreed that the defendants had acted in self defense, even though they may be guilty of other crimes like 2nd degree murder or manslaughter etc.

POINT BEING, Zimmerman may have started it, don't know, but he could have been afraid that he would lose possession of his gun. At this point both parties can claim self defense.

Cheers:>)EasyDoesIt

152 posted on 03/20/2012 11:01:11 PM PDT by eazdzit (Practicing islam should be TREASON? WE need a 3rd Party. NEWT/PALIN in 2012)
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To: muawiyah

It certainly looks that way.

Zimmerman ...the surname...where i come from is a usually Jewish surname...doesn’t sound very latino but could be by marriage

Bob Dylan

The Service Merchandise company founders here in Nashville...and so forth

there are exceptions with most German Jewish names which are often Jewish but have exceptions as Christian surnames too....Miller is one....Rosenberg another and then there are obvious strictly Jewish ones like Shulmeister or Cohen

Zimmerman...technically means wood craftsman

this does not appear to be a righteous kill to me...and i do not like taking the race hustlers side


153 posted on 03/20/2012 11:01:38 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: Gunslingr3

I’m talking about the ‘hate crime’ component and the DOJ’s SELECTIVE enforcement of the law in favor of everyone (just so long as they aren’t white). The DOJ should’ve pursued Tyson for ‘hate crimes’ because the EVIDENCE SHOWS robbery was NOT the motive.


154 posted on 03/20/2012 11:04:02 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: al baby
WTF is a Kel Tel 9 mm a typo or sloppy reporting ?

I'm sure they meant K-Tel, as in the late night TV ads.

Or, just maybe, Kel-Tec. I dunno.

≤}B^)

155 posted on 03/20/2012 11:05:16 PM PDT by Erasmus (BHO: New supreme leader of the homey rollin' empire.)
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To: NMCicero

Political? The DOJ will do a fine job of that themselves.


156 posted on 03/20/2012 11:05:49 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Trailerpark Badass

“but when the gun is fired, one case ejects and a new live round is stripped from the mag, leaving it one round less than full.”

Unless the magazine wasn’t seated properly. Then it fires,, and closes on an empty chamber, having failed to strip the next round because the mag wasn’t “clicked” into position when inserted.


157 posted on 03/20/2012 11:06:51 PM PDT by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Trailerpark Badass

If you listen to the 911 tapes (which are available on the internet) it seems clear that Mr. Zimmerman was seeking a confrontation. As to who threw the first punch, I have no idea, but I don’t think its particularly relevant. The point is that Mr. Zimmerman placed himself in a situation that ended in violence and if you take his statements to the 911 dispatcher at face value, it appears that a violent confrontation is what he was seeking.


158 posted on 03/20/2012 11:08:11 PM PDT by NMCicero
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To: OldMissileer
The only bullet missing was the one in the chamber, the source said.

I'm still trying to figure out this statement.

Bad reporting (bad writing) indeed.

159 posted on 03/20/2012 11:12:08 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Gunslingr3

There are black Hispanics.

See Puerto Rico, Dom Rep, Cuba...what’s left there is mostly black or mixed...most of the whites came here, coastal Colombia, Venezuela, Honduras, and Nicaragua...some as black as pitch...pure tropical Negroid Africans

Hispanic simply identifies those with culture and tongue derived from Spain more than anything else

having spent decades amongst them I’d say it’s about thirds in any latino American nation’s regions that borders the Caribbean or Atlantic except Uruguay and Argentina...one third pure white, one third fairly black and one third black/Indian/white mixed...in the parts of those nations that are near the coast but say in Colombia for example high up in cold drab Bogota blacks are as rare in town as they would be at a klan picnic

Here in the US we are more clearly defined...we were settled different. Soldier colonist in Spain claimed Americas did not stick to their own kind like English and Dutch pioneers did here from jump street...and judge for yourself which nations have fared better...for other reasons too


160 posted on 03/20/2012 11:12:35 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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