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Gun that killed Florida teen was fired once not twice by crime watch volunteer
bostonherald.com ^ | 20 March, 2012 | Rene Stutzman and Bianca Prieto

Posted on 03/20/2012 7:08:27 PM PDT by marktwain

Edited on 03/20/2012 7:21:16 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

SANFORD, Fla. — The handgun that killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, was fired once — not twice — by a neighborhood crime watch volunteer, according to new information obtained by the Orlando Sentinel.

Police found a single shell casing at the scene, and when they seized George Zimmerman’s handgun, a Kel Tel 9 mm, its magazine was full, according to a source close to the investigation. The only bullet missing was the one in the chamber, the source said.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; florida; georgezimmerman; martin; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: marktwain

Eric Holder’s involvement in a Hispanic shooting someone ,suggests that gun may be part of the Fast And Furious cache.


41 posted on 03/20/2012 7:47:43 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: BushCountry

Zimmerman’s call to 911 made clear he was watching Trayvon for a while before the shooting.

“Hey, we’ve had some break-ins in my neighborhood and there’s a real suspicious guy.... This guy looks like he’s up to no good or he’s on drugs or something,” Zimmerman told the 911 operator.

“He’s just staring ... looking at all the houses,” Zimmerman said in between answering questions from the operator about his location and the appearance of the person he was watching. “Now he’s coming toward me ... something’s wrong with him. Yep, he’s coming to check me out. He’s got something in his hands. I don’t know what his deal is.”


42 posted on 03/20/2012 7:48:13 PM PDT by BushCountry (I hope the Mayans are wrong!)
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To: Melas

If the slide didn’t cycle back far enough, maybe it didn’t chamber another round.


43 posted on 03/20/2012 7:51:16 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: BushCountry
There is physical evidence that it was self defense.

I don't see the self-defense argument holding water when he was pursuing this kid around the neighborhood. That's not 'standing your ground'. My guess is that when Zimmerman followed Trayvon, then got out of the car, he decided to try and grab him to detain him. That's when the kid hit him, and Zimmerman shot the kid.

Zimmerman initiated the confrontation, and this wannabe cop killed a kid. He should have listened to the dispatcher.

44 posted on 03/20/2012 7:51:39 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: marktwain
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1377840/James-Cooper-James-Kouzaris-gunned-Florida-holiday-lifetime.html

Did Eric Holder ever investigate the murder of these 2 WHITE British men by Shawn Tyson, a BLACK 16 year old released from prison only 10 hours earlier?

How come it's never 'RACISM' when it's BLACK ON WHITE?   WASSUP WIT DAT?

45 posted on 03/20/2012 7:52:22 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

It was a Kel-Tec so the slide may have over ran the top one in the magazine without moving it. I have no personal experience but have heard they were not reliable.

One thing which does bother me a bit was the neighborhood watch had phoned 911. That leads me to think the kid was doing something to merit that much concern.


47 posted on 03/20/2012 7:53:53 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
Isn’t it possible to chamber one round then insert a full magazine? Does this particular 9mm have a hair trigger? Could have been an accident but it sounds like he was in ‘hunter’s mode’.

It is possible, even a common practice, to chamber a round, then insert another round into the magazine to have the pistol loaded to full capacity.

When the first round would be fired, the pistol, if operating properly, would still take another round from the magazine and place it in the chamber, thus leaving the magazine with one round less than full capacity.

As this story was from an unnamed source, I think it likely that the reporter or the source simply garbled it a bit.

The useful evidence seems to be that they only found one casing at the scene. Even that does not mean much.

Legally, you are justified in continuing to shoot until you are no longer under a deadly threat.

48 posted on 03/20/2012 7:54:29 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: Envisioning

He had as much of a right to be on the street as the kid. I guess the Kid had a problem with him and tried to beat the crap out of him. The only problem is that he was armed.


49 posted on 03/20/2012 7:56:01 PM PDT by BOBWADE (RINOs suck)
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To: GeronL
I had heard that Zimmerman was hispanic

White is a race, Hispanic is an ethnicity in the white race. At least according to the U.S. Census.

50 posted on 03/20/2012 7:57:22 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Hiro Protaginast
he’s not white. he’s hispanic.

LIke THESE FOLK:


51 posted on 03/20/2012 7:57:55 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: Hiro Protaginast

Hispanic isn’t a racial designation. He’s white.


52 posted on 03/20/2012 8:00:39 PM PDT by stormer
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To: Hiro Protaginast

>>he’s not white. he’s hispanic.

For the purposes of the narrative being pushed here, he is a lily-white gun-crazed Tea Party and NRA member.

And he may be guilty of 2nd degree murder or some such - which doesn’t excuse the race warlords and others pushing a load of nonsense out there.


53 posted on 03/20/2012 8:00:48 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: BOBWADE
He had as much of a right to be on the street as the kid. I guess the Kid had a problem with him and tried to beat the crap out of him. The only problem is that he was armed.

How does your assessment change if Zimmerman grabbed the kid to keep the 'asshole from getting away'?

Does Zimmerman have a right to detain people? If Zimmerman grabbed the kid, does the kid have a right hit him back? Remember, Zimmerman is not a cop, no matter how much he wants to act like one.

54 posted on 03/20/2012 8:01:31 PM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
My guess is that when Zimmerman followed Trayvon, then got out of the car, he decided to try and grab him to detain him. ...Zimmerman initiated the confrontation, and this wannabe cop killed a kid.

You realize, of course, that if "your guess" is not based on a logical progression of thought derived from the known facts, that makes YOU a wannabe cop.

So where's you logic, based on what facts?

55 posted on 03/20/2012 8:02:38 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: kcvl

Zimmerman is not “white”. This will be a Puerto Rican/Cuban vs. Black riot. I don’t think the race pimps realize that yet. Whole lot of Puerto Ricans in Orlando! Good thing for the Panthers they have Holder backing them up or they would be in big trouble in central FL.


56 posted on 03/20/2012 8:02:59 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: kcvl

Wouldn’t surprise me if Zimmerman wasn’t the shooter and this was staged, unbeknownst to both parties. I’m sure 0bama just can’t wait to start a little ‘civil unrest’ leading up to the election. This will fit nicely with the ‘War on Women’ (how thoughtful of Ms. Fluke to just mysteriously show up!), OWS (homegrown phenomena!), evil oil company spills, and gun chaos in Mexico. Did I leave anything out? Like Tucson, Maybe 0bama will show up at the memorial for this kid and turn that into a campaign rally too! Go, DOJ, go!!!


57 posted on 03/20/2012 8:03:20 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Dudoight
Zimmerman is a neighborhood watch. He saw someone he didn't recognize, called it in, and WATCHED him.

I live in a crappy neighborhood, and our neighborhood watch does the same thing, and we are coordinated with the sheriff dept. The whole point of the watch is to identify people that don't belong. If I see some suspicious folk walk by my window, I will make my presence known by going out on my porch with phone in hand dialing sheriff dept, and continue to follow their activity to note description and direction of travel.

We have nailed two dealers and break ins have reduced since the watch started. It was reported on my local news today that Zimmerman has called in many reports, so it sounds like that neighborhood has problems too.

58 posted on 03/20/2012 8:03:24 PM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: lodi90

Exactly!


59 posted on 03/20/2012 8:04:10 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: BushCountry

This was a night time event.


60 posted on 03/20/2012 8:04:13 PM PDT by muawiyah
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