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Vaticanís twisted priorities: Op-ed: Catholic Church chooses to demonize Israel
YNET NEWS ^ | Published: 03.16.12, 14:26 / Israel Opinion | Giulio Meotti

Posted on 03/21/2012 2:38:18 AM PDT by RaceBannon

In a special interview with Die Tagespost last week, Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem Fouad Twal, named by Pope Benedict to represent the Vatican in the Jewish State, declared that “Israel’s existence as such has nothing to do with the Bible.” He then compared Christians’ condition in today’s Jerusalem with Jesus’ Passion: “We Christians never forget that even our Lord himself suffered and was mocked in Jerusalem.”

Twal's position on Israel and the Bible has been embraced at the highest levels in the Catholic Church. The Vatican synod in 2010 declared that Israel cannot use the Biblical concept of a promised land or a chosen people. “We Christians cannot speak about the Promised Land for the Jewish people”, the synod’s document said. “There is no longer a chosen people. The concept of the promised land cannot be used as a base for the justification of the return of Jews to Israel and the displacement of Palestinians.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bravosierra; catholicism; israelgenesis
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To: RaceBannon; stowaway; jjm2111; Mrs.LoneGOPinCT; underbyte; badbackman; Bigfitz; mcswan; ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrislam

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=1366

http://www.chrislam.org/

http://apprising.org/2011/02/22/the-rise-of-chrislam/


2 posted on 03/21/2012 2:41:45 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Romney would surrender to Islam as fast as Obama promotes it)
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To: jimrob

Huh? Would like to hear your views on this because I’m just plain confused...


5 posted on 03/21/2012 3:30:19 AM PDT by piytar (Rebellion is here! Free Republic is on the front line! NEVER SURRENDER!)
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To: RaceBannon; piytar
Strangely the Die Tagespost has no indication at all that there was ever an interview: google: "Fouad Twal" site:www.die-tagespost.de
6 posted on 03/21/2012 3:51:50 AM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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Interview is

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7 posted on 03/21/2012 4:26:42 AM PDT by SJackson (The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
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To: Cronos

link in post 7


8 posted on 03/21/2012 4:27:02 AM PDT by SJackson (The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
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To: RaceBannon

These appear to demented bleatings. However, it must pointed out that The Vatican does not necessarily speak for the Catholic Church and, in fact, cannot do so where it counts.


9 posted on 03/21/2012 4:41:10 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (It was the best of times, it was the worst of times...well, half-right, at least.)
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To: RaceBannon
If in the wartime period the Vatican had taken a moral stand against Nazism, the outcome might have been different for the Jewish people.

It's fairly easy to make a negative statement because one can't prove a "negative" but can you offer some supporting evidence for that provocative assertion?

10 posted on 03/21/2012 4:44:37 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: SJackson

The Catholic Church is made of men. Men can be mistaken.


11 posted on 03/21/2012 4:51:52 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: SJackson; The Invisible Hand
thanks. The Patriarch speaks for himself. This is not a 'Vatican statement' and doesn't become one unless it is officially pronounced by the bishop of Rome, so the headline in this article is wrong.

secondly, the Patriarch -- if he means that the nation of the Jews is not in the Bible, he is wrong. If he means that it's existence is not because of the Bible then -- wait for it -- in a way isn't he correct? teh Jews' RIGHT to the land it is on is divinely appointed, not just because it was written in the Bible. The fact that it is in the Bible is a follow-up to the fact that it was given to the people of Israel by God.

12 posted on 03/21/2012 4:53:12 AM PDT by Cronos (Party like it's 12 20, 2012)
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To: Cronos
The Patriarch speaks for himself. This is not a 'Vatican statement'

Yes, that's an important distinction.

13 posted on 03/21/2012 4:58:10 AM PDT by SJackson (The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement)
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To: the invisib1e hand; RaceBannon; SJackson

And the statement about the Jewish people “no longer being a chosen people.....etc.” came from one Greek-Melchite Archbishop and was not declared in a Vatican Synod.

http://news.uk.msn.com/world/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=155070002";


14 posted on 03/21/2012 5:17:00 AM PDT by netmilsmom (I am Breitbart)
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To: the invisib1e hand

“The Vatican does not necessarily speak for the Catholic Church and, in fact, cannot do so where it counts.”

What are you pretending to pronounce here?

It “might” be true of Fouad Twal, but just who are you suggesting “The Vatican” is?


15 posted on 03/21/2012 5:26:02 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: RaceBannon
If in the wartime period the Vatican had taken a moral stand against Nazism, the outcome might have been different for the Jewish people.

Bravo Sierra

Waiting for you to add your "whore of Babylon" gibe.

16 posted on 03/21/2012 5:27:05 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: piytar

I have never understood the public statements from the Vatican, regarding Israel.
The only satisfaction I have is that the subject is not “a matter of faith and morals”, so they are clearly open to error in the matter.


17 posted on 03/21/2012 5:30:53 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: RaceBannon

And what do you say to the Rabbi’s who have written very favorably regarding the role of the Pope and the Catholic Church in saving thousands of Jews during WWII?


18 posted on 03/21/2012 5:33:42 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: RaceBannon
If in the wartime period the Vatican had taken a moral stand against Nazism, the outcome might have been different for the Jewish people.

Glad to know you're swallowing the KGB's propaganda line straight up.

In reality, the Catholic Church was a bitter enemy of Nazism, the Nazis knew it, and Pope Pius XII was directly responsible for saving 860,000 Jewish lives.

19 posted on 03/21/2012 5:35:36 AM PDT by Campion ("It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins." -- Franklin)
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To: Cronos; RaceBannon; SJackson
Note the article: "Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem Fouad Twal, named by Pope Benedict to represent the Vatican in the Jewish State".

"Patriarch" is not a Catholic title. It is an Orthodox title. This guy is not Catholic. He just has the job of relaying Vatican concerns to Israel. I think he will shortly no longer have the job.

20 posted on 03/21/2012 5:40:58 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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