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ATF Managers Lawyer Up, Slam Gun Laws and Still Deny Gunwalking
Townhall.com ^ | March 21, 2012 | Katie Pavlich

Posted on 03/21/2012 5:07:24 AM PDT by Kaslin

The attorneys of Bill Newell, embattled former ATF Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division, and David Voth, Supervisor of Phoenix Group VII (the group that carried out Operation Fast and Furious), are accusing Senator Charles Grassley and Chairman of the House Oversight Committee Darrell Issa of making “many inaccurate and harmful statements” and “factual distortions against” their clients.

In a letter obtained by Townhall, attorney and former Department of Justice Prosecutor Paul E. Pelletier, representing Newell, writes on behalf his defendant to “correct the factual distortions in your staff’s ‘memorandum.’ To be clear, this faulty memorandum and the conduct of the Committee’s investigation to date has disserved the hard working ATF agents, in Phoenix and elsewhere who, with great personal sacrifice, risk their lives every day to make a difference in the communities in which we live. It is, of course, now evident that the citizens of this country are far less safe today primarily as a result of the irresponsible manner in which this ‘outcome-determined’ investigation has been conducted.”

Pelletier accuses Issa and Grassley of refusing to follow evidence in the Fast and Furious investigation, saying, “I have learned that the ultimate success and legitimacy of any investigation depends upon the capacity of investigators to blindly follow the evidence where it leads and to neutrally and dispassionately evaluate that evidence before reaching a conclusion. Given your staff’s tortured factual conclusions, your staff’s utter disregard of any evidence that contravened or rebutted the preordained and misdirected conclusions of misconduct, speculation to motive is unnecessary.”

The letter lists three “false assertions” made by the Issa and Grassley:

1. ATF purposely failed to confront straw purchasers and interdict guns. Disrupting and deterring the illegal activity took a backseat to the lawful goal of dismantling the entire organization.

2. Intercepts from the DEA wiretap provided the probable cause necessary for ATF to make arrests as early as December 2009, or, at the very least, supplied the necessary predicate to use other investigative techniques to disrupt illegal activity and seize the weapons. ... ATF, however, did not act on this information. Agents could have arrested Celis-Acosta in December of 2009 and used the arrest to work their way up the ladder to the two cartel associates.

3. ATF insisted that the techniques used in Operation Fast and Furious were necessary to take down a complicated gun trafficking operation. In reality, however, the network was not complex.

The letter also refers to Issa and Grassley’s reference to gunwalking as a tactic used by ATF as erroneous and an “attempt to cast wide blame on the ATF supervisors and agents as well as the attorneys in the Department of Justice.” Pelletier says his client Newell advised on multiple occasions and under oath that no such tactics were contemplated or existed in the Fast and Furious investigation. But even putting both Issa and Grassley’s findings aside and simply based on whistleblower testimony, the claims of “false assertions” by Pelletier on behalf of his client Bill Newell are false.

(For evidence against Pelletier's point 2, click here. For evidence against Pelletier's point 3, click here. 70 percent of Fast and Furious guns were bought by just 5 straw purchasers.)

“What I found concerning and alarming was more times than not, no law enforcement activity was planned to stop these suspected straw purchasers from purchasing firearms. The only law enforcement activity that was occasionally taken was to conduct a surveillance of the transaction, and nothing more,” ATF Special Agent and whistleblower Orlindo Casa said under oath on June 14, 2011 before the House Oversight Committee. “On several occasions I personally requested to interdict or seize firearms in such a manner that would only further the investigation, but I was always order to stand down and not to seize the firearms.”

In other words, Casa was told to allow the guns to walk.

Another whistleblower, ATF Special Agent John Dodson, had similar statements during the same committee hearing.

“This was not a matter of some weapons getting away from us, or allowing a few to walk so as to follow them to a much larger or more significant target. Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals -- this was the plan. It was so mandated,” Dodson said. “The numerous guns we let walk have yet to be recovered.”

Not once did Pelletier mention the murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry as a result of this program, or the fact that at least two guns that were allowed to walk showed up at the crime scene. Pelletier also failed to mention Americans are now at risk thanks to the actions of the Obama Justice Department, in partnership with ATF, allowing thousands of weapons to be trafficked into the hands of ruthless criminals. Even Eric Holder admits we will see tragic consequences from these actions for years to come. In short, the letter tries to make one staunch point: Bill Newell, as Special Agent in Charge of the Phoenix Field Division, did not instruct agents to allow guns to walk and gunwalking tactics were not used in Operation Fast and Furious.

The letter also takes a jab at the nation’s gun laws while giving Newell credit for trying to stop gun trafficking rather than facilitating it through Fast and Furious.

“We need more, not less, public servants like Special Agent Newell and the men and women who, despite the challenges imposed by our nation’s gun laws and the legal system in which they operated, strove to make a difference and tried their level best to put an end to the illegal gun trafficking the plagues the Southwest Border,” Pelletier wrote. Pelletier, who has been described as "left-wing and liberal as Ted Kennedy," also took the opportunity to add that he believes the investigation into Operation Fast and Furious is politically motivated.

In another letter obtained by Townhall addressed to Issa and Grassley from David Voth’s attorney Joshua A. Levy, Issa is accused of mischaracterizing statements and authored documents by Voth in a June 14, 2011 Congressional Report. The letter accuses Special Agents Dodson, Casa and Larry Alt of not complaining about "Operation Fast and Furious' underlying strategy or tactic" during its implementation and attempts to further smear their characters. This letter, like the one from Newell’s attorney, denies gunwalking as a tactic: "In Operation Fast & Furious, the ATF Group VII agents did not walk guns, they did not avoid the interdiction of firearms when they lawfully could have seized them," the letter proclaims. "The ATF did not purposefully fail to interdict firearms."

Once again, whistleblower testimony proves otherwise. From the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee on June 14, 2011:

"Although my instincts made me want to intervene and interdict these weapons, my supervisors directed me and my colleagues not to make any stop or arrest, but rather, top keep the straw purchaser under surveillance while allowing the guns to walk." –John Dodson

"Suspected straw purchasers were identified, again with no obvious attempts to interdict the weapons or interview suspects." –Olindo Casa

"No interdiction efforts were planned." –Peter Forcelli

The letter from Levy blames Issa and Grassley for causing damage to Voth and for weakening "the criminal justice system’s attempt to help protect innocent Americans and Mexicans from the drug cartel's conspiracy to purchase, deliver, and use some of the deadliest firearms to protect their dope."

So, who should we believe? Corrupt ATF managers who have denied gunwalking since day one of the Fast and Furious investigation, or brave whistleblowers who have put their personal lives and careers on the line to get the truth to the American people?

Keep in mind: 1,400 Fast and Furious guns are still missing; after more than a year of investigation, the DOJ has still failed to turn over 74,000 requested documents to the House Oversight Committee.

You can read each of the letters here and here.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 2012; atf; banglist; batfe; batfeisajoke; corruption; dea; democrats; dhs; doj; ericholder; fastandfurious; fbi; fraud; govtabuse; guncontrol; gunrunner; gunwalker; holder; ice; obama

1 posted on 03/21/2012 5:07:37 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

The BATFE needs to be disbanded and everything involved with them fumigated....


2 posted on 03/21/2012 5:15:12 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Kaslin

“the DOJ has still failed to turn over 74,000 requested documents to the House Oversight Committee.”

I keep wondering, why haven’t any warrants been issued?

If you or I refused to turn over records subpoenaed by Congress, we would be sitting in jail.


3 posted on 03/21/2012 5:16:55 AM PDT by Bigh4u2 (Denial is the first requirement to be a liberal)
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To: Kaslin

ATF should be a convenience store, not a US Govy Agency.


4 posted on 03/21/2012 5:21:39 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: Bigh4u2

Stop wondering. Holder is balkig and they are letting him get away with it.

The longer they draw it out the better his chances of getting away clean.


5 posted on 03/21/2012 5:23:18 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Kaslin

So their defense is that they are bungling and incompetent managers?


6 posted on 03/21/2012 5:28:20 AM PDT by FreedomOfExpression
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To: Kaslin
Any FReepers who want to read where the ATF is going, download the free Kindle version of Matthew Bracken's "Enemies Foreign and Domestic" from Amazon.

The FR thread re: this free download is here: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2850992/posts

This novel is a terrific if terrifying read and, I believe, is truly prescient regarding the FedGov's war on the Second Amendment and freedom in general.

7 posted on 03/21/2012 5:31:42 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne
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To: Dead Corpse

BATFE is one of hundreds of gub mint agencies, departments, and comissions that need defunded.

Nearly went to Minnesota for some snowmobiling this winter.
Last year we went to Houghton, Michigan where it was incredible. How poor a snowing did you get there this year??


8 posted on 03/21/2012 5:48:11 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Kaslin

What are the Republicans in Congress doing about this most recent pack of lies?


9 posted on 03/21/2012 5:55:40 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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10 posted on 03/21/2012 6:19:49 AM PDT by bcsco
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To: Kaslin

Like the loose spin on evidence - all those thousands of redacted pages.


11 posted on 03/21/2012 6:21:40 AM PDT by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: Kaslin

After they are convicted... hang the sumbiches.

LLS


12 posted on 03/21/2012 6:31:48 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Joe Boucher
Depends on how you view snow. I grew up here, so I'm ok with us have sparse snow on occasion. They had a lot more in the Northern part of the State than we had closer to the Twin Cities. I'm about half way between Minneapolis and St. Cloud.

One condition I had for my Wife, to get me to move back from Texas to Minnesota, was that I get to buy a snowmobile. Since we moved back, we really haven't had enough snow to justify it.

13 posted on 03/21/2012 6:32:43 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Dead Corpse

agreed and all employees from top to bottom need to be completely investigated for criminal activities. The place is a louse bed of crime as are the majority of LE orgs.


14 posted on 03/21/2012 6:40:45 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; MestaMachine
audacity of hopey changey ping...

how will Grassley and Issa respond to this literal 'eff u' from the criminal defense attorneys ???

15 posted on 03/21/2012 7:02:38 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: 556x45
Majority? No. The Secret Service and US Marshall's are pretty solid from what I've come to understand. As are most local Sheriff's Departments. City police are almost universally political.

At the Federal level, it's almost as if those Departments, who's very job description violates an express limit imposed by the Constitution, are chock full of the real problem children.

This fact is born out by the likes of the EPA, FCC, FAA, NASA, BATFE, HUD, Dept. of Education, DEA, DoE, etc...

I guess once you violate the Supreme Law of the Land, violating the Rights of the individual just becomes second nature.

16 posted on 03/21/2012 7:04:30 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Kaslin; harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
This dance seems familiar...


17 posted on 03/21/2012 7:18:54 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Dead Corpse

Well said. They could not careless for our rights.


18 posted on 03/21/2012 7:24:16 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Joe Brower

Very good!


19 posted on 03/21/2012 8:11:11 AM PDT by colonialhk (Put them in green jails doing green jobs)
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To: Dead Corpse

Yes, majority. We wont know tho unless they’re properly and completely investigated. That will never happen b/c they’re an organ of govt never to be properly vetted. Ive yet to met anyone on LE who wasn’t worthless to the bone.


20 posted on 03/21/2012 8:20:10 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Kaslin

Gangster Government, and Sakharov’s Immunity

Matthew Bracken, February 29, 2012

For over a year now, the Department of Justice has been stone-walling the House committees investigating Operation Fast And Furious, wherein thousands of semi-automatic rifles (”assault rifles” in the liberal lexicon) were deliberately allowed to “walk” into Mexico, straight into the hands of drug cartel killers. One of those weapons was used to murder Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry a dozen miles inside of U.S. territory.

The actual killer is believed to be an FBI “informant.” In other words, a cartel assassin in his own right, but also a valuable “asset” in the FBI’s consideration. The FBI and DOJ have been shielding this killer, while obstructing the delivery of justice to the Brian Terry family. On the other side of the border, ICE Agent Jaime Zapata was also murdered with a “gun-walked” weapon, along with over three-hundred innocent Mexican citizens as of this date.

And where is the elite Mainstream Media in its coverage of this festering scandal of such epic proportions? Over the past year they have dedicated scant minutes to the scandal, and then, usually to parrot the Obama administration’s lies and obfuscations. Just during one recent week, the elite media spent countless hours covering the death and funeral of a beloved celebrity drug addict, compared to the few minutes they have spent covering Operation Fast And Furious during all of the last year.

Under Operation Fast And Furious, and related DOJ-ATF gun-walking schemes in at least five states, there was no plan or means to track the weapons after their sale. Licensed gun dealers were coerced by the BATFE into making repeated bulk sales, even when they expressed grave concern about the persons buying the weapons, including known felons. Federal cash was provided to the straw purchasers when they did not have their own money.

As conceived and carried out, the intended purpose of Operation Fast and Furious was to rack up a bloody body count in Mexico, in order to discredit the Right to Keep and Bear Arms as spelled out in the Second Amendment of the Constitution. The murdered Mexicans were intended to buttress the false claim that ninety percent of the weapons recovered in Mexico after gangland shootings came from American gun dealers.

In short, the Obama administration conducted a program of mass murder for political purposes. Or, as President Obama put it to Sarah Brady, he was still pursuing a gun control agenda, but “under the radar.” It is hard to conceive of a federal “law enforcement operation” [sic] more evil from top to bottom than Operation Fast And Furious.

(The rest at the link.)

http://www.enemiesforeignanddomestic.com/efadGG.htm


21 posted on 03/21/2012 8:43:09 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: LucyT; vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...

Losing hope that ANYTHING is gonna change. Ping.


22 posted on 03/21/2012 8:54:56 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Dead Corpse

“haven’t had enough snow to justify it”.
Just damn.
Last year in Houghton the snow was deep, couple years before that we went to a place called diamond Lake resort right near Crater Lake, Oregon and again the snow was measured in the humdreds of inches.
We go from Monday to Saturday and are alone for the most part on the trails.
Just waited and waited for snow this year and it just didn’t show./


23 posted on 03/21/2012 8:56:51 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Gilbo_3; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; MestaMachine; DoughtyOne

“how will Grassley and Issa respond to this literal ‘eff u’ from the criminal defense attorneys ???”

Rumor has it that Boehner is stalling Issa. I don’t doubt that for one minite. Boehner, through his ters, denies it.
Career politicians are the reason the GOPe is in power.


24 posted on 03/21/2012 9:14:53 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Dead Corpse

“I guess once you violate the Supreme Law of the Land, violating the Rights of the individual just becomes second nature.”

So it would seem


25 posted on 03/21/2012 9:18:08 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

It sure does seem sometimes that the Congress is basically a mutual aid society.

It is amazing how successful the media has been at covering up what appears to me to be the greatest scandal in the history of the nation.

I can’t think of anything which even comes close, yet most Republicans seem just as willing as the Democrats to ignore or completely cover it up.


26 posted on 03/21/2012 9:24:47 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Dead Corpse

It’s all that global warming!


27 posted on 03/21/2012 9:49:30 AM PDT by jayrunner
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To: carriage_hill
That's why I love shopping at Wal-Mart!

I can get groceries, sporting goods, a new hunting rifle, ammunition, brewskis and even a cigar!

All in one stop!

28 posted on 03/21/2012 9:56:37 AM PDT by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them)
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To: Kaslin; All

I am working on a video project.
I need a female spokesperson who has lost a family member in the Mexican drug wars.
Any help you can give will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.


29 posted on 03/21/2012 9:57:03 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Joe Boucher
It goes in cycles. This past season, the jet stream seemed to be pushed further North than is usual. Gave us nice warm Southern air...

Next year? Who knows...

30 posted on 03/21/2012 9:59:49 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: yarddog

“It is amazing how successful the media has been at covering up what appears to me to be the greatest scandal in the history of the nation.

I can’t think of anything which even comes close, yet most Republicans seem just as willing as the Democrats to ignore or completely cover it up.”

The Republicans in D.C.? They don’t even exist anymore.


31 posted on 03/21/2012 10:24:49 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: yarddog
Yep. Without the MSM hyperventilating over it, like the did with the anti-war chants of "no blood for oil" during Bush's term, it really does appear they think it is no big deal.

This is what happens when your Nation's 4th Estate becomes a 5th Column.

32 posted on 03/21/2012 10:27:06 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: jayrunner
Compared to our normal seasonal low of -30oF? I'll take it... ;-)
33 posted on 03/21/2012 10:34:17 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Kaslin

If they are lawyering up then it’s time to indict. Past time.


34 posted on 03/21/2012 1:08:55 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Kaslin
Testimony of four more ATF field agents here that proves these ATF managers are liars.

The Department of Justice’s Operation Fast and Furious: Accounts of ATF Agents

35 posted on 03/21/2012 1:30:57 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Your link contains erroneous information. Agent Terry was not a member of BORSTAR. He was a member of the Border Partrol’s SWAT known as BORTAC.


36 posted on 03/21/2012 7:25:31 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Ajnin

I just went back and read the section on Brian Terry, pps 43-46, and saw no mention of either BORSTAR or BORTAC. If you want to tell me where you found that maybe I could comment on it. I don’t know why I should care though. It’s a gov document not something I wrote.


37 posted on 03/21/2012 8:39:34 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: TigersEye

Sorry, bad comment, my mistake. It just infuriates me that Terry gets killed by tonk dirtbags w/ guns provided by the BATF and the best we can get is some half assed investigation.


38 posted on 03/22/2012 2:27:06 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Ajnin
Not a problem. My frustration levels are at an all time high too. It has been so long since I first started using that doc to point out ATF field agent testimony I had completely forgotten that it mentioned Brian Terry. I focus on it for their descriptions of what they were ordered to do and not do, when they first heard of intentionally letting guns "walk" and their definitions of the term "gun walking" which originated with them.

I have never been a fan of the ATF in general but the fact is the field agents didn't like what was going on and they were the ones to first expose it. They have suffered for coming forward and I read recently that they intend to persevere even if Issa and Grassley won't.

39 posted on 03/22/2012 2:46:44 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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