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FBI probe shooting death of Trayvon Martin by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman
wptv.com ^ | March 20 2012 | CNN staff

Posted on 03/21/2012 11:20:24 AM PDT by NoLibZone

CNN Staff

SANFORD, Fla. - Federal prosecutors and the FBI have opened an investigation into the killing of an unarmed teen by a neighborhood watch volunteer in Sanford.

The death drew protesters Monday to the courthouse in Seminole County, north of Orlando, to demand justice for Trayvon Martin, the 17-year-old who was shot and killed last month while walking back to his father's fiancee's house in Sanford.

The African-American teen's parents said Monday that they believed race was a factor in their son's death, and the Congressional Black Caucus had called for a federal investigation, saying local police have shown "blatant disregard for justice."

Late Monday, the Justice Department said it would dispatch officials to Sanford to investigate and "to address tension in the community."

"The department will conduct a thorough and independent review of all of the evidence and take appropriate action at the conclusion of the investigation," Justice Department spokeswoman Xochitl Hinojosa said in a written statement. "The department also is providing assistance to and cooperating with the state officials in their investigation into the incident."

Read more: http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/state/fbi-to-probe-shooting-death-of-trayvon-martin-by-neighborhood-watch-volunteer-george-zimmerman#ixzz1pmDO1Z7E

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1 posted on 03/21/2012 11:20:33 AM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

Will the FBI pretend that Zimmerman is “white” too?


2 posted on 03/21/2012 11:22:37 AM PDT by montag813
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To: NoLibZone

Obama’s Eric Holder has had the files for 3 days.

No arrest of the killer.

If all the feds did was read the news , they’d know there is enough to arrest the guy. Right?

Why is Obama stalling?


3 posted on 03/21/2012 11:22:42 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: NoLibZone

I am so glad the FBI and the Justice Dept has gotten involved in this. I am sorry it has taken so long. They should have jumped on this long before they did.


4 posted on 03/21/2012 11:23:01 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: montag813

Well, technically Zimmerman is white. He is not anglo saxon but he is caucasian. But what difference this makes I do not know. Nothing excuses his actions.


5 posted on 03/21/2012 11:24:28 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: NoLibZone
There's no federal law covering just killing somebody unless it's on federally owned or controlled property.

The problem here is the local cops/prosecutor simply misread the law ~ to make it all go away.

Sometimes they do that.

The family was not happy with that.

Neither were a lot of other people.

6 posted on 03/21/2012 11:25:55 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: montag813

Zimmerman sure doesn’t look white to me. When I first saw his pic (before he was declared to be white) I thought: “What the hey, this guy is black!” And an Hispanic with the name Zimmerman?


7 posted on 03/21/2012 11:29:09 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: montag813

Yeah, what do you figure his genetic make-up is (other than fat, dumb and ugly). Weird to have a German or possibly Yiddish name like Zimmerman, but look sort of Hispanic.


8 posted on 03/21/2012 11:29:12 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: DallasSun

This Zimmerman guy sounds like a nut.


9 posted on 03/21/2012 11:31:29 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: DallasSun
George Zimmerman is White?


10 posted on 03/21/2012 11:32:09 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: NoLibZone

>ustice Department spokeswoman Xochitl Hinojosa said in a written statement

Bless you!


11 posted on 03/21/2012 11:32:57 AM PDT by struggle (http://killthegovernment.wordpress.com/)
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To: NoLibZone

The FBI involved in an ongoing local shooting case? Has that ever happened before Holder’s race based Justice Dept.? My guess is this guy is screwed whether the shooting was justified or not. If they can’t get him on murder they’ll go after him for civil rights violations just like they did after the cops were exonerated in the Rodney King incident.


12 posted on 03/21/2012 11:33:27 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: NoLibZone

The choice of name is associated with location: Hispanic and Latino Americans who reside in the eastern United States tend to prefer the term Hispanic, whereas those in the west usually prefer Latino.[4]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans


13 posted on 03/21/2012 11:33:45 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: babble-on

A lot of Germans emigrated (escaped?) to Latin America after WWII. Intermarriage with the locals could yield a child with Latino features and a German name.


14 posted on 03/21/2012 11:35:21 AM PDT by John Semmens
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To: luvbach1

A lot of Germans settled in Latin America and married local women.


15 posted on 03/21/2012 11:35:55 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: NoLibZone
I'm afraid that trouble is brewing one way or the other, lots of people looking for a confrontation.Facts may get ignored in the process.

One sure thing, Zimmerman is a marked man for life, guilty or innocent.

16 posted on 03/21/2012 11:37:59 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: NoLibZone
The Holder DOJ has become fully racialized and politicized. Blacks must be protected, period. No matter what.


17 posted on 03/21/2012 11:38:47 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: DallasSun

Why?
No Federal Jurisdiction is involved.
It is a local issue, unless you can show that a government agent, “under color of law” ordered or assisted in depriving someone of their civil rights, there is no Federal case.


18 posted on 03/21/2012 11:40:00 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: NoLibZone

There was no eye witnesses to the shooting, and Zimmerman declared it self defense. There needs to be a grand jury convened and if there is enough evidence then put him on trial in front of a jury. If I was ever in his shoes and it was a legitimate shooting I sure as heck would hope the state would not listen to mobs of angry people hell bent on it being a race crime and investigate it.

If he is charged then he has the right to a speedy trial, perhaps the DA is just waiting to get all the evidence/facts in order before he issues those charges. I have heard of many crimes not being prosecuted right away so the state has time to do a thorough investigation, perhaps that is all that is going on.

He is innocent until proven guilty, personally I think when it all ends he will find his ass under the jail where it belongs, but that is just IMHO.


19 posted on 03/21/2012 11:41:06 AM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
"...may get ignored..."

You mean "have been ignored" and "will continue to be ignored"...

Anything to push the Agenda forward. "Never let a good crisis go to waste."

20 posted on 03/21/2012 11:43:10 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: NoLibZone

Only racists see this as a racial crime.


21 posted on 03/21/2012 11:44:14 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: AppyPappy
A lot of Germans settled in Latin America and married local women.

You're right--including quite a few Nazis.

22 posted on 03/21/2012 11:45:29 AM PDT by luvbach1 (Stop the destruction in 2012 or continue the decline)
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To: Travis McGee
The Holder DOJ has become fully racialized and politicized. Blacks must be protected, period. No matter what.

Without a doubt, unfortunately. Holder has made this no secret. Mr. Zimmerman has a bull's eye on his back one way or another now. In the pc driven and further racially divided America (thanks to obama, the dems and Holder) it won't matter now if it was a justified self defense shooting, or plain murder. The facts will no longer be in the driver's seat for this event.
23 posted on 03/21/2012 11:46:12 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: MtBaldy

Dude. He killed a kid walking down the street. I read somewhere this guy had called the cops 48 times this year. If you’d ever been to that Podunk town, you’d know why the feds were called upon.


24 posted on 03/21/2012 11:50:03 AM PDT by goseminoles
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To: MtBaldy

You know the feds took over here in San Antonio for the Quad Mom murder. I do not remember the details but I do know this is not unusual. There is a protocol they follow. Someone who knows alot more than I can probably explain this. The Quad Mom trial involved Alan Blackthorne if you want to research it. Also, this was not the first or last time here the feds intervened.


25 posted on 03/21/2012 11:51:03 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: DallasSun

Zimmmerman is white for now. He’ll go back to being Latino when the MSM is done using him to bash whitey.


26 posted on 03/21/2012 11:52:23 AM PDT by Augustinian monk
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To: NoLibZone
Bet you have not heard of this one.:

Was Boy in K.C. Fire Attack Burned by His School’s Racist Teaching?

“This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy.” So spewed the attackers of Melissa Coon’s 13-year-old son, as they doused him with gasoline and set him alight.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/opinion/selwyn-duke/11046-teen-set-on-fire-in-racial-attack-media-silent

27 posted on 03/21/2012 11:54:23 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: Dead Corpse

It’s about 90 miles from here but I’ll be watching my back. Things are just wound too tight for safety.


28 posted on 03/21/2012 11:54:59 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Amen to that. Stay safe...


29 posted on 03/21/2012 11:58:01 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: AppyPappy

If Zimmerman were a white Jew he’d have already done the perp walk.

Obama and the DNC are stalling because he is trying to placate the larger voting population- The Hispanic Latino one.

They know he’s not White.


30 posted on 03/21/2012 11:59:35 AM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: Augustinian monk

You are right, of course. It serves a purpose, doesn’t it? For them.


31 posted on 03/21/2012 11:59:59 AM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: Augustinian monk

You are right, of course. It serves a purpose, doesn’t it? For them.


32 posted on 03/21/2012 12:00:00 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: montag813

Are they going to investigate the black woman who threw a fit in class and threatened the life of her teacher and classmates. Oh I’m sorry she’s black nothing will happen.


33 posted on 03/21/2012 12:03:07 PM PDT by onthegulf
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To: goseminoles

I agree. He is a nut. And now a criminal. He needs to be prosecuted for first degree murder. He cannot claim self defense.


34 posted on 03/21/2012 12:03:13 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I do not agree. Zimmerman had a reputation for going after blacks. He referred to this young man by a racial epithet. He told the 911 operator “they” always get away. He then pursued him for no reason. After the operator told him not to.


35 posted on 03/21/2012 12:05:09 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: DallasSun

I read the book about the Blackthorne murders. That Allen Blackthorne was one evil S.O.B. May he rot in prison.


36 posted on 03/21/2012 12:08:13 PM PDT by texas_mrs
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To: MtBaldy

The Constitution of the United States [has] delegated to the Congress a power to punish treason, counterfeiting the securities and current coin of the United States, piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offences against the laws of nations, and no other crimes whatever.
—THOMAS JEFFERSON, THE KENTUCKY RESOLUTIONS


37 posted on 03/21/2012 12:09:33 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: NoLibZone

I heard on Fox news last night that when the cops arrived on the scene Zimmerman had a bloody nose and a wound on his head. Maybe the black kid assaulted Zimmerman. Maybe Zimmerman had to defend himself because the kid beat him and could take the gun.


38 posted on 03/21/2012 12:11:34 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: NoLibZone

I understand that George Zimmerman was a volunteer on the neighborhood watch. Does anyone know if and where he is employed?


39 posted on 03/21/2012 12:13:26 PM PDT by Jack Hughes
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To: DallasSun

I hope you forgot your sarcasm tag,


40 posted on 03/21/2012 12:18:46 PM PDT by Ratman83
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To: DallasSun
I agree. He is a nut. And now a criminal. He needs to be prosecuted for first degree murder. He cannot claim self defense.

Since you seem to know what happened, perhaps you can answer my questions:

What happened to cause the physical fight between the two? And who initiated the transition from verbal to violent?
41 posted on 03/21/2012 12:20:30 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: John Semmens
There were thousands of Russian and German Jewish families who made it to Cuba and the Dominican Republic in the early part of the twentieth century.

I know one whose great grand-mother married a Cuban (Chaviano). They had a daughter, Olga Chaviano, who was a club dancer and bag-lady/courier for the mob. They are Russian/Jewish/Cuban. They fled the pogroms in Russia for Cuba then fled Cuba for Miami and NYC.

I know German Jews who settled in Sosua, DR, during the same period when Sosua was a good place to get a fresh start.

They left there when sketchy Italians and Germans started showing up in 1946/7.

The same thing happened to Russian Jews in Argentina.

It bothers me but doesn't exactly surprise me that so many freepers seem shocked that one can be Latino with a German name or German with a Spanish name.

And, frankly, it has absolutely nothing to do with this murder....except to people here and elsewhere who see everything through the prism of race.

42 posted on 03/21/2012 12:25:02 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: DallasSun

that’s because the murderer crossed state lines.

this case in FLA has no similarities to the ‘quad’ murder.

this is purely and simply race whoring by obama’s AG


43 posted on 03/21/2012 12:25:39 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: spacejunkie2001

Thank you for reminding me. You are right. But no, I do not agree with you at all about this having anything to do with President Obama or race whatever. I think it appropriate for another agency to step in now. I just want to see Zimmerman prosecuted. If this was not legal, it would not be happening. But I do thank you for reminding me why the feds stepped in for quad mom murder.


44 posted on 03/21/2012 12:35:46 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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To: DallasSun

With respect, open your eyes to Obama, his AG and their race based approach to governing. They are CLEARLY racists, and Holder is getting involved to keep the race flame glowing.

FLA does NOT need the DOJ involved in this, or the FBI.

Why are you so set on seeing Zimmerman prosecuted without the facts? Did you know there was a fight between the two? Did you know FLA has the ‘stand your ground’ law that allows CC licensee’s to protect themselves from bodily harm, even if the other person does NOT have a gun? you’re getting inflamed by the media coverage which is LESS than complete.


45 posted on 03/21/2012 12:40:05 PM PDT by spacejunkie2001
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To: luvbach1
I do business with people in the south of Brazil all of whose names are right out of Central European casting (German, Czech, Polish) and with a family (German name) owned business in Mexico. The father looks very Germanic and the kids completely Latin. Their ancestors came over around the end of the 19th century. Naming rights do not guarantee culture or ethnic identity and a German name does not automatically mean "Nazi".

Based on looks this fellow is hardly the stereotypical southern cracker the media and the race pimps all crave and this cognitive dissonance could well be why they seem flummoxed and wrong footed about how to treat the case. I think a lot of us have the gut feeling that this shooting was the result of a neighborhood watch guy going all Rambo on an innocent kid. But with no witnesses but the shooter how do you prove it?

46 posted on 03/21/2012 12:48:37 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: goseminoles

“Dude. He killed a kid walking down the street”

Not so. He killed a “kid” who was 6ft 3 and had him down on his back punching him in the face according to an eye witness. Try to keep up.

“Zimmerman was justified in using deadly force according to Florida’s STAND YOUR GROUND LAW because Martin was on top of him beating him in the face.

According to this eye witness quoted in this article Zimmerman was getting the worst of it and calling for help once the fighting started.

“The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, ‘Help! Help!’ and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911,” said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

“And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.”

Read more: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1phFMGCu4

That is why the cops didnt arrest him at the scene after hearing this witness account, observing his bloody nose and his bleeding from the back of he head and grass stains on the back of his shirt. Considering that he had a concealed carry permit, was injured in the scuffle, was in fear for his live, and reasonably thought that Martin was a criminal, The cops let him go after cuffing him when the local prosecutors said there was not enough evidence for manslaughter conviction under Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law.

The witness said it was Zimmerman who was screaming for help and police detectives even ran the 9-11 tapes of the screaming by the “kids” father and the father said the screams were NOT from his son.

http://news.yahoo.com/video/orlandowesh-16122564/sanford-police-speak-out-in-trayvon-martin-case-28640523.html

Besides Martin is not the angelic 12 year old pictured in almost all the news stories but was almost 18, six foot three, and had been suspended from High School in Miami so he went to Sanford to visit his dad. If you listen to the 9-11 tapes, the kid approached Zimmerman when he was sitting in his truck as a possible intimidation tactic. It is also possible that the kid was not a terrified babe in the woods as portrayed but regarded Zimmerman following him as a white man dissing him and he attacked the watch captain without warning.

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/neighborhood-watchman-killed-trayvon-martin-ignored-neighborhood-watch-photo-201122767

Granted, Zimmerman was wrong to follow the kid but IF the kid attacked him he is protected from a manslaughter charge by the SYG Law.However,civil lawsuits against him and the housing complex are another matter.

Lets have a Grand Jury review the evidence and then arrest him if the evidence showed he attacked the kid first.


47 posted on 03/21/2012 12:50:38 PM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: Abathar

“If I was ever in his shoes and it was a legitimate shooting I sure as heck would hope the state would not listen to mobs of angry people hell bent on it being a race crime and investigate it.”

Good luck with that.....


48 posted on 03/21/2012 12:52:44 PM PDT by saleman (!!!!)
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To: DallasSun

Not sure of FL law specifically, but many states’ self defense laws indeed do protect someone who, after initiating a conflict, breaks it off and attempts to withdraw and then are counter-attacked so to speak-the right to self defense may indeed be Zimmerman’s.

The fact that he contacted the police 46 or how ever many times is irrelevant. He was a member or known to be acting as a Neighborhood Watch volunteer-it would be completely reasonable for one acting thusly to be in regular contact with the 911 dispatcher-doing his duty as a volunteer.

On the other hand, if I was walking along doing nothing other than being there and a stranger followed me and then approached me and proceeded to get verbal and eventually physical, I would do my best to avoid it, but eventually I may be required and be entitled under the law to defend myself with essential countervailing force as needed.

All we know is the youth (a 17 YO is not a “boy” by any means) is dead from a single gunshot wound and Zimmerman claims to have done so in self defense. The evidence of an investigation and other information PERTINENT to the case will tell the story.

Zimmerman may have been out of line and indeed guilty as hell but to assess guilt before any trial so determines is unAmerican and illogical.

Maybe the youth was indeed acting out his past (wasn’t he out of his own town visiting Dad “to get his life on track”) or something? Was he a juvy felon type? Is that important? Not sure.

All of this is necessary BEFORE assessing guilt of murder or a relatively complex case of self-defense as already claimed and as prelim evidence may indicate (why else would the local PD or SP?SBI not have already arrested him? He isn’t a cop or something, after all). Isn’t the case before a grand jury right now?

Just because the youth’s family and the city is enraged, means nothing in and of itself in terms of what the state should do. Either we have absolute justice based on fact and evidence or we are Iran, Egypt etc.

That there are no eyewitnesses (that we know of) is certainly in Zs favor, but if he is lying about what happened, it will eventually come out.

Patience is a virtue that we as a nation has collectively lost, it seems.

If Z is indeed a murderer, if evidence and testimony verifies, then he should fry. If he has a claim to SD, and that is either proved or is reasonable in light of the evidence (or lack against such conclusion), then he should walk. That is called justice as man knows it.


49 posted on 03/21/2012 12:54:23 PM PDT by Manly Warrior (US ARMY (Ret), "No Free Lunches for the Dogs of War" (my spelling is generally korrect!))
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To: spacejunkie2001

I have the facts the same as you. I am very familiar with the castle doctrine and the stand your ground laws. Neither are applicable to someone chasing someone then claiming self defense. In San Antonio, a homeowner had a burglar break into his home. The burglar ran...the homeowner chased him into the street and shot him. The homeowner is now in prison for murder. And race had alot to do with this according to the recorded 911 calls. We have the same facts. We have reached different conclusions. All we can do now is wait for the results. I would bet the farm Zimmerman is prosecuted as well he should be.


50 posted on 03/21/2012 12:54:40 PM PDT by DallasSun (Courage~Fear that has said its prayers.)
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