Skip to comments.FBI probe shooting death of Trayvon Martin by neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman
Posted on 03/21/2012 11:20:24 AM PDT by NoLibZone
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I consider all “hate crime” prosecutions to be racist when applied to race and sexualist when applied to sex preferences.
And by definition, they are not equal protection before the law.
Nice summary and nice conclusion.
I agree with all you said and you said it well. Thank you.
I agree with all you said and you said it well. Thank you.
If the girlfriend who was on the phone with Martin is to be believed, it contradicts the statement of Zimmerman's father that Martin jumped out at him. What will be really important is the phone log of Martin's phone and the time that the call to Martin cut off. That will be crucial to fill in the gap between the end of Zimmerman's 911 call (7:14 PM) and the first neighbor 911 call reporting two men struggling (7:16:11 PM). If, for instance, he was still on the phone to the girlfriend just before the struggle, the "he jumped at me" defense will go out the window.
Your summary seems to incldue more facts than any other single peice of journalism or media commentary. Good Job.
Much of the hyperbole coming from the reactionary masses (somewhat represented on this forum, it seems) is washed away by the facts.
6-3 and 18, inner city wanna be maybe? Aggresses as captured on 9-11 tapes, and then escalation follows (as captured on 9-11 tapes) and the result is a shooting, who’d a thunk it?
I still stand firm-if Z is guilty of a crime, then he should pay.
Again, well done.
you’re jumping to huge conclusions about this being about race. There’s nothing on the calls that lead one to believe there’s a pattern. The dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was white/black, etc and Z said black. And, if you had all the facts as you claim, you’d know about Z’s family coming out saying he’s from a MIXED race family and is not a racist.
I agree with the 2 posts above yours. Let it play out. If Z committed a crime, he should pay, if he didn’t he should walk. But shame on every damn one of you that claim this is race related. That serves to do nothing but inflame things and BACK up obama and his loser AG on their intent to destroy this country by race riots.
I was in Florida at the time this happened and the local news, I believe, interviewed the mother and stepfather or boyfriend, I forget exactly. Anyway they played the tapes and the mother was understandably distraught. Especially since, in her words, her poor baby was shot while shouting for help.
It made for great TV.
I had my doubts at the time but thought, hey, a mother would know her own child's voice, wouldn't she?
If that wasn't Martins’ voice on the tape then what does that say about the Mother and the motivations of all that have done their best to inflame the situation?
You are also jumping to conclusions. He did have problems with blacks. This has been established through complaints the HOA had about him. There was a racial epithet used by him during one of the 911 calls. There was no fight. The boy was on his back with a bag of skittles in his hand calling for help. There were witnesses to this and you can hear on the calls that he was calling for help. In no way can Zimmerman cite self defense. You and I disagree. We can do this. It does not make one right and the other wrong. It means we disagree. Now all we can do is wait for prosecution and see the outcome. But I do appreciate the debate and your thoughts on the case.
Oh. I guess that means Holder is going to order the BATFE to have straw buyers acquire guns illegally with so-called "stimulus" money and send them into the neighborhood the way he did in Mexico.
keep deluding yourself. I can’t help you.
Also, let us not dismiss the fact that 911 told Zimmerman to Not pursue the young man. He had not committed any crime. He did not have a weapon. You cannot pursue someone and then claim self defense. I am a gun owner. I would never pursue someone in my home illegally and shoot him. You cannot do that in Texas and I doubt Fla is any different. My husband knew the homeowner here who did pursue the burglar and shot him. He was shocked he knew no better. Even with the Castle Doctrine, you are not allowed to do that.
The Feds got involved because of the “interstate conspiracy to commit murder” and “interstate domestic violence” charges that they eventually convicted Jose Luis Del Toro. They are not supposed to be involved in strictly local cases unless requested by the investigating agency.
lol. You cant help me. This is true. I am laughing at me, not you. I do want to say I speak from some experience. Not really applicable here but, about 20 years ago I was alone in the middle of the day. My husband was at work. I heard someone jump our privacy fence. In a short time. I heard the patio door open and a hand parted the verticle blinds. There, crouched down, was a man. By that time, I had a .44 magnum pointed at him. I said, I suggest you not come in here. He froze. At that time, I started calling my husband’s name, even tho he was not there, I wanted him to think a man was in the house. (As tho a woman holding a .44 was not scary enough.)...He ran. Jumped the fence. He was gone. I called the police. Never did it enter my mind to pursue him or shoot him. At that time, tho it did not enter into my decision, we did not have the Castle Doctrine in Texas. It was pure instinct. There was no reason to shoot him. Had he continued to enter the house, yes. I would have shot him because I would know he had seen me, seen the gun. And yet he was entering anyway wishing me nothing but harm. Was I wrong? In your opinion?
Sorry to butt in but you have a .44 mag for self defense? I mean as someone once said “sometimes it’s entirely reasonable to use a sledgehammer to kill a fly”. But dang! A .44? Have you ever shot it? If not, let me tell you the 1st thing that is gonna happen. You’re going to go deaf. And after you get your hearing back, if you do, your ears are gonna ring for the next few mo’s or so. That’s if you are in an enclosed area. If outside, near deafness and ringing of ears for a shorter time.
I think someones been watching too many Clint Eastwood movies.
How about a nice little .38 or maybe a shotgun?
That's as weird as a Jewish guy with the Irish name of Dylan!
I won't believe a word she says without corroborating evidence. I've seen too many black “witnesses” lie to protect a black perp simply because he was black.
With all due respect, that information is not complete:
Sure, the teen was 6’3” tall. For some reason, his height is being used as some kind of evidence here. But, did you also know that, at 6’3”, he weighed only 140 lbs.? His nickname was Slimm, and Zimmerman outweighed him by 100 pounds:
Btw, I think this is the teen’s Facebook page:
Secondly, he was not almost 18. He was born in 1995; he’d just turned 17. I have a son almost the same age; I have to ask him to reach things for me, but height doesn’t mean they are grown men at that age. It also doesn’t mean they’re streetwise.
Thirdly, he was reportedly on a five-day suspension from school for lateness (hardly a serious offense):
At this point, he’s hardly coming across like a gangsta-wannabe. Zimmerman is the one coming across as a wannabe-a-cop.
I don’t believe Zimmerman committed premeditated murder. My speculation is that both Zimmerman and Martin were suspicious of each other. Martin might’ve believed he was being followed by a gangbanger. Even if we give Zimmerman the benefit of the doubt: Suppose Martin did come at him when he got out of his vehicle. Well, Martin had been trying to get away from him. Now, suddenly, this man who’d been following him is out of his vehicle and coming toward him. Maybe Martin was “standing his ground” and acting in self-defense. Zimmerman is a young man in his 20’s, but maybe out-of-shape physically.
Whatever the case, the family is right in demanding further investigation, charges... a trial.
I will say one thing that’s been bothering me, though: With a son the same age, I can’t understand why the father didn’t go looking for his son when he didn’t return home right away. Why didn’t he notice something happening just 70 feet from the house where he was staying? I read somewhere that he called police the next morning. (I don’t know where I read that now.) Why not call that night? And why didn’t the girl on the phone call the parents to tell them something had happened? Maybe I’m just a very protective parent, but there are lots of unanswered questions in this story.
Thank you so much. I actually read the book about that case and yet I had no memory of why the feds took over that case.I thank you for renewing my memory. My mind was so blank. (And that is familiar territory for me.) You are kind and I appreciate that.
You asked a valid question. And now, I Do have a .38. Yes, I have shot the .44. It ends up somewhere behind my head. It is my husband’s gun and it was the quickest to get at that particular time. It is way too much gun for me. And again, your question is valid.
And...a shotgun? Still too much gun for me. I have a 44/40 Winchester saddle rifle that was my grandmother’s. Way too much gun but makes a wonderful sound as you rack one into the chamber. I want a 9 millimeter glock. What do you think?
There was no physical fight. The witnesses all said the boy was lying on his back calling for help.
9mm sounds just right. Just be sure to practice, practice, practice.
If you say so? Were you at the scene and did you observe all the events? No, you are just repeating what the trouble makers are saying. Mr. Zimmerman, if attacked by a person who has the abilty, opportunity and places his life jeopardy as the right to use deadly force under the “Castle Doctrine.”
I shall practice! And thank you for the information. I do appreciate that. Esp because you agree with me!
Excuse me? Troublemakers? Wha?
Clearly the race-hustling opportunists have jumped on this one. They have no interest in improving race relations, race hustling is their money train.
Agree with you and it is a given thing in their community. Do Not Snitch,but fabricate a lie to protect FUBUS. Reality in the 21st century.
You heard it Bud!
Things will be whipped up flaming hot before the election anyway, this will be just one excuse of many.
If they do - whites should make it clear - we will go anarchy.
Those on jurys - just vote by race.
Dark skin = guilty, white skin = not guilty.
Screw racist Holder. He wants CRT - give it to him.
He is a weak minded little pansy anyway. A complete disgrace.
The Governor should DIRECTLY request written answers as to why the FBI is investigating. if everything is a federal case - that is fine - the government has just nullfied its own Constitution. I say we nullify the government, and call it even.
DS, “let the chips fall where they may on this one.” Either for or against Mr. Zimmerman. Just funning with you a little today, someone has to break the ice. :)
No harm done. You did nothing wrong. I appreciate your post.
There is a protest underway now in Union Square, NYC
All the TV sattelite trucks are up and running.
Should be a major item on tonight’s TV news.
Your post #49 is calm and well reasoned.
No arrest of the killer.
If all the feds did was read the news , theyd know there is enough to arrest the guy. Right?
Why is Obama stalling?
Obama and Holder are flummoxed. The Killer is a "minority" (Hispanic) but not black. Critical Race Theory says minorities can't be racist or commit "hate crimes." So they don't know what to do.
He called the cops 48 times in a year? How is that a crime or indicative the guy is violent? In fact President Obama himself advised Americans last year, “But people should be on the lookout and make sure that if something suspicious is taking place you are informing your local law enforcement.” I think the guy’s being railroaded. Every picture they show of the kid is when he was about ten years old. He’s 17 and 6’3” now. The kid was suspended from school and the father refused to say why. Later, a teacher claimed it was because the kid was tardy. Yeah, that sounds likely. That same teacher said Trayvon “Majored in cheerfullness” Let me ask you this. Let’s say Zimmerman was merely following the kid so he could tell the cops where he was. Trayvon sees him and confronts him. Harsh words are exchanged and they both start fighting. Trayvon gets the upper hand and tries to grab the gun Zimmerman has in his waistband. There’s a struggle for the gun and Zimmerman shoots Trayvon. Ok, what crime was committed?
Yes, he was only taking Obama’s “If You See Something, Say Something” to heart.
His height is being used as evidence, because Zimmerman is 5'2" tall. Outweighed Martin, but seriously shorter. 6'3" Slimm was on top of 5'2" Zimmerman beating the snot out of Zimmerman's face, and pounding his head into the ground. Sounds like self-defense to shoot "Slimm" in that scenario.
So what the kids height? Perhaps he was reacting to a perceived threat? If someone followed me like that I would bust their ass. Let’s let the facts come out via grand jury. I can’t blame fault either way so far... I just think perhaps this guy was a wanna be. There are plenty out there especially with neighborhood watch “captains”. Lol..
And who the hell calls the cops 48 times within a portion of a year in a gated community? Quit being ignorant and passing judgement on a kid that’s missed school. Its not a crime to walk down the street being black or any other color. Its called freedom dummy.
Aren’t they both Hispanic? Both ‘white’? The left so hungers for a hate fight that they’re lying about the races involved?
“With all due respect, that information is not complete”
The kid does sound like a good kid after reading the info you posted. He certainly is a sympathetic figure,especially with his misleading angelic photos from a much earlier age saturating the internet.
However,the most critical information though is who attacked who during the altercation. An eye witness saw the kid on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face. He said that Zimmerman was the one calling for help. For one who was outweighed by 100 lbs, the kid was giving a good account of himself. Perhaps he started the fight by sucker punching Zimmerman? I donno.
If the kid could have gotten control of the gun in Zimmermans waistband Zimerman would be toast so he had a good reason to fear for his life, which would enable the SYG Law. Maybe Zimmerman started pushing the kid first. Who knows at this point. That is why the Grand Jury is necessary.
I read that Zim followed the kid to keep him under observation. I read that the 9-ll operator told him “You dont have to do that” which under my understanding of English is not a prohibition to do so. Perhaps this negates a SYG law defense. Again, I donno.
A lot depends on how Florida’s Stand Your Ground Law reads. Evidently the local prosecutor thought at the time of Zimmermans release that his arrest on manslaughter charges would not hold up in court.
But when you think about it all this legal prudence is irrelevant. Zimmerman is in the sights of a National Lynch Mob. Any politician or govt official who refuses to go with this mob will be ruined. Innocent until proven guilty has been thrown out the window.
Agree fully with your post #22.
No. The 17 year old who was killed was black. Zimmerman is hispanic. Sorry for the delay in answering.
OK - now it makes sense why the press is all a flutter... the MSM thinks conservatives are racist. Any excuse to bash conservatives is gold to them.
Hundreds of blacks killed by blacks - no problem for the MSM. A black killed by a white and it's 'katy bar the door'. Guess that applies to Hispanics now too.
It's sad so few journalists in the early 60's and even mid-sixties had any interest in the civil rights movement. If they had, they wouldn't have to overcompensate constantly.
The MSM's trying to relive an experience they missed - either because they were conformists (most likely), racists ( and yeah most southern newspapers were at the time) or they lacked the ability to empathize with a 'out' group. The MSM hasn't changed - just the stats on who's called a victim has changed.
The MSM is on a lynch mob attack of the shooter. We haven’t heard the other side of the story. It’s hard to believe the cops would ignore a “cold blooded” murder. There are reports that the black kid was cleaning the white guys clock when he was shot.
Investigate, provide evidence to the DA, let the law proceeses take its course. If it leads to trisl, fine, but so far there has been no probable cause to result in arrest/charge, almost thirty days and nothing.... Tells me something.
I do not doubt that teh feds will either pressue teh local law or themselves respond to the “uprising” mentas;lity- a true manufactured crises to be levered.
Alas, teh rule of law is dying, or so it seems.
pls excuse my spelling, had a knee scope done today, so a bit foggy still.