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The injustice [Even author of Stand Ground says shooter should be arrested-Why is Holder stalling?]
The Economist ^ | March 21 2012 | Economist

Posted on 03/21/2012 2:39:25 PM PDT by NoLibZone

THE news that the Justice Department will investigate the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin is a welcome development in a horrible story. Last month Martin, a high-school student from Florida, was walking to his father's girlfriend's house and talking on the phone to his own girlfriend when he was spotted by George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old man who had appointed himself as a neighbourhood monitor, and who had made dozens of 911 calls over the past year or so. He made another one that night, saying that he had spotted a "suspicious" black man. The dispatcher told Mr Zimmerman to stay in his car, but Mr Zimmerman had already set out after Mr Martin. "These assholes, they always get away," he said in one of the 911 calls, which are posted at Mother Jones. Martin was, in fact, trying to get away; his girlfriend, whose identity is being protected because she's 16, had advised him to run after he told her he was being followed. Mr Zimmerman caught him, and some kind of fight ensued, ending when Mr Zimmerman shot and killed the unarmed teenager. When police arrived, they questioned Mr Zimmerman, but released him, and have since explained they have no cause to bring charges.

(Excerpt) Read more at economist.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: ericholder; holder; trayvon; trayvonmartin; zimmerman

1 posted on 03/21/2012 2:39:34 PM PDT by NoLibZone
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To: NoLibZone

The Obama DOJ has had the files for 3 days now.

Based on reports and audios everyone knows that Gerorge Zimmerman stalked and murdered Trayvon Martin.

Right?

Even the author of the Stand your Ground law , says that George Zimmerman should probably be arrested.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57401619-504083/author-of-stand-your-ground-law-george-zimmerman-should-probably-be-arrested-for-killing-trayvon-martin/

Why is Eric Holder stalling?


2 posted on 03/21/2012 2:42:50 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: NoLibZone

He’s waiting for the riots to begin?


3 posted on 03/21/2012 2:44:22 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'll "vote for an orange juice can", over Barry 0bummer and another 4yrs of his Regime From Hell!)
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To: NoLibZone

george zimmerman did NOT appoint himself watch monitor! He did NOT make 911 emergency calls, he made non-emergency line standard phone calls! There had been many criminal incidents over past several months in area. Now, start the story over...


4 posted on 03/21/2012 2:44:22 PM PDT by biggredd1
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To: NoLibZone

Another case from last month that the Obama DOJ has buried:

“This is what you deserve. You get what you deserve, white boy.” So spewed the attackers of Melissa Coon’s 13-year-old son, as they doused him with gasoline and set him alight.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/opinion/selwyn-duke/11046-teen-set-on-fire-in-racial-attack-media-silent


5 posted on 03/21/2012 2:44:40 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: NoLibZone

Because the longer he stalls, the more agitprop the “community organizers” can put out about how The Man is out to keep them down and kill/eat their children. Holder does nothing, least of all his job, unless there’s political gain to be had from it.


6 posted on 03/21/2012 2:46:46 PM PDT by sthguard (The DNC theme song: "All You Need is Guv")
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To: biggredd1

And next you say George Zimmerman is not white!

Are you saying there is more to the case???


7 posted on 03/21/2012 2:47:02 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: NoLibZone
Why is Holder stalling?]

Because murder isn't generally a federal crime unless it happens on federal property or in Washington, DC. This would be a crime under the State of Florida's laws.

8 posted on 03/21/2012 2:47:20 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: NoLibZone

While I am cynical to think that Obama and Holder are trying to figure out which path would be the least politically risky, I am also willing to chance that the law is conducting a thorough investigation as honesty would ultimately be the least risky path.


9 posted on 03/21/2012 2:49:22 PM PDT by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: NoLibZone

I don’t hear anyone calling for FBI to investigate the burning of the Coon kid. (Coon being his real name)


10 posted on 03/21/2012 2:50:24 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: NoLibZone

The more dribs & drabs that get out, the more this smells like a setup by a blackwash lynch mob.


11 posted on 03/21/2012 2:50:24 PM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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To: Jonty30

Wrong, the feds will charge him and the charge will be a civil rights violation and they will win.


12 posted on 03/21/2012 2:51:57 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: biggredd1

Big Red the liberal and race baiters are foaming at the mouth to make this a racial incident. I am sure if Mr Zimmerman had committed a crime he would have been arrested and not released.

The problem is the race baiters are not happy with the outcome of an apparent justifiable homicide of self defense. They are angered and what to make Mr. Zimmerman a guilty man, based on their hysterical and left-wing mindset.

I am a retired LEO and have seen this too many times with the FUBU crowd. I am glad to see another sane person on the FR.


13 posted on 03/21/2012 2:52:46 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: KarlInOhio

Generally.

But in this specific case , the DOJ has been asked to investigate.

And yet , after 3 days- nothing.


14 posted on 03/21/2012 2:54:22 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: NoLibZone

I am no supporter of shooting innocent unarmed kids.

However, the lack of charges being filed by this point indicates to me that there is more to this story.

I think it is common knowledge that Zimmerman had pretty serious injuries to his face and head.

Were they defensive on the boy’s part? Or had Zimmerman been attacked? I don’t know, but, there has to be a reason charges haven’t been filed yet.


15 posted on 03/21/2012 3:03:39 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

Is there damage to the car door where the kid drug him out of the car, tear marks on the seat, blood and teeth marks on the steering wheel, he may have hit his head trying to stay in the car. That is it he was holding the door on his head so the big old seventeen year old could not beat the crap out of the twenty eight year old. You are probably on to something here, keep digging.


16 posted on 03/21/2012 3:22:19 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: NoLibZone

They are thinking this out so they can use it as a political weapon. Long long trial, ending as an Oct surprise, with him getting off and people so angry, they all come out to vote. They just have to figure out how to tie this to the republicans.


17 posted on 03/21/2012 3:23:19 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: NoLibZone

Apparently asking a stranger what they’re doing doesn’t mean you should be beaten, sued and/or prosecuted.

So far...


18 posted on 03/21/2012 3:25:59 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: NoLibZone

The more tension and public outrage, the better for the divisive purposes of this administration. If there are apparent racial problems and if minorities need a hero in DC who better to fill the bill than O. Some riots would be nice to show all the injustice the tea party is causing.


19 posted on 03/21/2012 3:27:07 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Persevero

I don’t like the way the media is pushing the race angle and treating hearsay as fact to condemn the shooter. I don’t know what went down that night but I wish the media would stick to the facts. Showing the picture of the kid when he was 13 years old is also misleading. He was over 6 feet tall when this happened. It’s like they are working to create racial tension.


20 posted on 03/21/2012 3:30:37 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: org.whodat

More information is now coming out. The kid is 6 ft 3 in about 200 lbs. I know he looks really small and sweet in the photos. He was just suspended for 10 days from school. A witness said the kid was beating the crap out of Zimmerman on the ground. I don’t know what really happened. Maybe Zimmerman should be charged. All I am saying is save the judgement until more facts come out.


21 posted on 03/21/2012 3:32:26 PM PDT by rrebo
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To: NoLibZone

Holder can’t decide to back the black kid or the Hispanic guy.

The left is trapped in it’s own racial politics.


22 posted on 03/21/2012 3:38:35 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: NoLibZone

Why is Holder stalling? The question should be why the he** is the fed involved at all? This is a local crime, not a fed crime. The only reason Holder has his a** stuck into it is because the dead guy is black. Were this a black guy shooting a white 17 yo male there would be no fed investigation.


23 posted on 03/21/2012 3:41:37 PM PDT by calex59
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To: rrebo
LOL, if I am walking down the street it is none of Joe blows business where I am going or what I am doing, the shooter crossed the line when he decided it was his business. This in the end will get him a civil rights violation and conviction, if nothing else.
24 posted on 03/21/2012 3:43:10 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: biggredd1

There are so many lies that have been told and repeated,
they have become the truth to the lynch mob.


25 posted on 03/21/2012 3:58:22 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: org.whodat

“Is there damage to the car door where the kid drug him out of the car, tear marks on the seat, blood and teeth marks on the steering wheel, he may have hit his head trying to stay in the car. That is it he was holding the door on his head so the big old seventeen year old could not beat the crap out of the twenty eight year old. You are probably on to something here, keep digging.”

I’m not on one side or the other. I have three sons. All have been 17 at one point; and they all walked the dog late at night.

Why assume I am trying to defend the shooter? I am just saying, this is not cut and dry, or I think charges would have been filed.


26 posted on 03/21/2012 4:00:18 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: org.whodat

So you are the judge and the jury. I’m glad you are not involved in the law. Our constitution describes how this should be handled. I feel sorry for you.


27 posted on 03/21/2012 4:11:43 PM PDT by rrebo
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To: org.whodat

“it is none of Joe blows business where I am going or what I am doing”

So, naturally, you can beat him to a pulp for asking.

After all, you’re civilized...


30 posted on 03/21/2012 4:24:49 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: biggredd1
There had been many criminal incidents over past several months in area

I am shocked, shocked to find there has been criminal activity in the area

31 posted on 03/21/2012 4:43:06 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: calex59
The question should be why the he** is the fed involved at all? This is a local crime, not a fed crime.

They're probably trying to figure out how to arrest any and all Republicans in the entire state of Florida... for something or the other.

32 posted on 03/21/2012 4:51:01 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Phantom Phixer
PS I just heard the local PD released the fact that when the struggle occured, Zimmerman wasn’t following the kid-the kid actually came over to him. Interesting....

Based on the statements of Zimmerman, whom the Sanford PD seem to have awarded benefit of the badge regarding his statements about the shooting.

So far we have had

I tend to believe the middle one is true.
33 posted on 03/21/2012 4:54:24 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: NoLibZone

Murder is a state crime. So is manslaughter. For that matter so is theft. Is there anything you don’t want the feds involved in?


34 posted on 03/21/2012 4:58:27 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: NoLibZone
Eye witness report.
35 posted on 03/21/2012 5:05:06 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: NoLibZone

To stir up racial resentments. It is a cold calculated development to keep the racial hatreds stirred up & fermenting . That way when the election comes around the Democrats will go around telling folks how they can get back at the “white trash “ & the “crackers” by voting for Obama. Also will provide opportunities for organizing what Maxine Waters referred to the LA riots as Rebellions against the man.


36 posted on 03/21/2012 6:03:23 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: jwalsh07

I don’t want the Feds in it at all.

You missed the point I was trying to make by several miles.


37 posted on 03/21/2012 6:10:28 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: peeps36

The media whores are in fact working to fan the embers of racial hatred into flames for a couple of simple reasons ,first it will help Obama & second it will get them great news stories after all a bloody riot to avenge the black teen shot by a Latino portrayed as a white guy will get these media types lots of publicity.


38 posted on 03/21/2012 6:11:29 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Jonty30

In a room somewhere near Eric Holders office, DNC workers are counting and re counting how many Hispanic Latinos and Blacks there are.


39 posted on 03/21/2012 6:13:05 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: Jonty30

In a room somewhere near Eric Holders office, DNC workers are counting and re counting how many Hispanic Latinos and Blacks there are.


40 posted on 03/21/2012 6:13:17 PM PDT by NoLibZone (Obama proved in Texas- that health care ,like all fed programs, is a political compliance weapon.)
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To: rrebo

You have total miss read the constitution. It is the very thing that guarantees the right that you can walk down the street .


41 posted on 03/22/2012 12:18:26 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: mrsmith

He does not have the right to ask in the first place. Any if anyone was beaten to a pulp where is the medical report.


42 posted on 03/22/2012 12:20:38 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat
He does not have the right to ask in the first place.

On more than one occasion, I've walked out of my house and tapped on the drivers side window of a car parked across the street, with it's music blaring so loud you can't hear yourself think. When the driver rolls down the window, the first thing I ask him is 'do you live around here.'

There is nothing in the Constitution that prevents me from doing that, and so long as I am acting in a reasonably civil manner, I doubt I would be running afoul of any local or state ordinances.

This is no different in principle from what George Zimmerman did, if indeed he was the first to make contact. Now, you can certainly argue the wisdom of doing such things, but I doubt very much that you can argue it's illegality.

Unless you have a compelling argument that contact between two citizens is, in itself, illegal, then this so called right that you think Mr. Martin has simply doesn't exist.

That said, I'm not about to condemn the man until I know all the facts, or at least a good portion of it.

43 posted on 03/22/2012 1:28:13 AM PDT by csense
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To: NoLibZone; All

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While the Zimmerman ‘white’ on black killing is covered 24/7 on the MSM with an outpouring of rage and charges of a racial hate crime, where is the concern- where is the rage about the home invasion, torture, beating and the murder of the elderly white couple by ‘African Americans’ in Oklahoma just the other day?

The 90 year old war veteran husband was beaten, his jaw broken, shot in the face with a BB gun and now barely clings to life.

The 85 year old partially blind wife was raped and beaten to death.

Where is the 24/7 MSM coverage

Where is the outrage?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2861754/posts?page=46

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44 posted on 03/22/2012 4:36:50 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: tomkat
The more dribs & drabs that get out, the more this smells like a setup by a blackwash lynch mob.

_______________________________________

I agree 1000%.....

The nefarious plan was to trick some dopey white/spanish guy into killing a black kid. They drew straws and Martin pulled the short one.

They are devious bastards.

45 posted on 03/22/2012 4:43:52 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: patriot08

How about the silence on the 13 year old boy who was set on fire by two black teens?


46 posted on 03/22/2012 4:54:02 AM PDT by wintertime (Reforming a government K-12 school is like reforming an abortion center.)
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To: rrebo
So you are the judge and the jury. I’m glad you are not involved in the law. Our constitution describes how this should be handled. I feel sorry for you.

You can't fix stupid, so don't try. Just feel sorry for him/her.
47 posted on 03/22/2012 5:01:04 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: rrebo
The kid is 6 ft 3 in about 200 lbs...

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No, he's dead. Zimmerman killed him.

48 posted on 03/22/2012 5:43:05 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: kanawa
There are so many lies that have been told and repeated, they have become the truth to the lynch mob.

_________________________________________

What lies>

Oh, btw...Zimmerman was the lynch mob.

49 posted on 03/22/2012 5:44:46 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: wtc911
Oh, btw...Zimmerman was the lynch mob.

The evidence says otherwise.

50 posted on 03/22/2012 2:01:41 PM PDT by kanawa
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