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The fear of martial law
Renew America ^ | 3/21/2012 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 03/22/2012 11:12:53 AM PDT by WPaCon

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To: 556x45

“Its all about perception and deception”

What I could foresee is a situation where hussein stages or invites a fake or ill conceived coup d’etat. This would likely lead to dictatorship. Chavez did something like this, and of course there was the Reichstag. A big war with Iran could always work.


51 posted on 03/22/2012 1:14:21 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est; zero sera dans l'enfer bientot.)
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To: bobby.223

What would they flame you with? Certainly not common sense, logic or history. I suspect you’d get an emotional barge of silliness. At any rate will be interesting to see if any of the law & order crowd shows up, should be entertaining. ;)


52 posted on 03/22/2012 1:16:37 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: 556x45

“The Castle Rock case specifically addresses whether the police have a constitutional duty to enforce court-issued restraining orders; in a broader sense, however, the decision focuses on the duty of government law enforcement officials to take action when they are put on notice of a dangerous situation. The question raised by Castle Rock goes to the heart of the role of government in the protection of the public’s health and welfare and is one that the Supreme Court has considered in the past.”

. . .

“The Castle Rock decision addresses the issue of “police powers,” the term generally used to describe the inherent authority of state and local governments to require conformance with established standards of conduct. Police powers lie at the heart of the role of government in society, since they form the basis of the government’s power to act in numerous venues, from public health and welfare to public safety. In a public health practice context, police powers can take many forms, both preventive and remedial, from licensure and accreditation of health professionals and facilities to the enforcement of civil and criminal statutes against violators through fines or other civil or criminal sanctions.”

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525280/


53 posted on 03/22/2012 1:17:14 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: 556x45

I’m sure that you’re right.


54 posted on 03/22/2012 1:18:17 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Snoopers-868th

LOL, OK, whats your point?


55 posted on 03/22/2012 1:21:08 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: 556x45

Only pointing out that the S. Ct. weighed in on the police issue and they are not for our protection but for governments.

By the way, I have a son that is a state trooper. Not all police are bad or corrupt. :)


56 posted on 03/22/2012 1:24:58 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: Da Coyote

That’s why he needs to gin up another conflict before November, so he can make sure the military is safely overseas when he calls up his “civilian” National Security apparatus.


57 posted on 03/22/2012 1:27:02 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: 556x45

Way below the 50% mark would follow...

Others would walk.

We’re not N. Korea where they’re bribed w access to food.

I was enlisted and have family still serving and they’d walk.


58 posted on 03/22/2012 1:34:23 PM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: Puppage

You have “the sneer” down pat.


59 posted on 03/22/2012 1:37:58 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (The only flaw is that America doesn't recognize Cyber's omniscience. -- sergeantdave)
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To: Snoopers-868th

I see, got it...thx for that.

re your son...Im sure youre right. However, Im not his parent and suspect Id be treated much differently than you.


60 posted on 03/22/2012 1:50:24 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: G Larry

I think youll be amazed at how many obey, I predict in the 90% range. As I said some will refuse. Perhaps those in your family would. If they do you’ll never see them again or wind up visiting them in the brig. At any rate you best swap those rose colored glasses from some that help you see better.


61 posted on 03/22/2012 1:55:51 PM PDT by 556x45
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To: wolficatZ

Yeah...the fear was Clinton was going to do it. That was when militias started gaining steam.
But Clinton isnt Obama. Obama is more ego driven with a communist bent. If given a chance, I think he would try it. But I dont think the military would go along with it.And without the military and having to rely on local and federal police would mean Obamas quick arrest unless he runs for the high grass or invites the UN to “Secure” key installations and bases.
But if Obama tried anything like that, it would be a epic fail.


62 posted on 03/22/2012 2:21:13 PM PDT by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: 556x45

I might be prejudice but respect goes a long way, he also is a state trooper and as such, went through a very long and difficult selection process where some 50-70% were cut. He doesn’t have anything to prove.

I will tell you that he has had two knee surgeries due to chasing criminals over fences for which he received no workers compensation for the time he was off because he did not fill out the paperwork. And if he had filled out the paperwork he would have been looked down upon because he drew workers compensation. Their jobs are not easy as so many may think. They too have reports and paperwork that is required after they do their time on the road. He also is required to carry his weapon at all times, even when he is not on duty. The damage he is doing to his body in the line of work will show up as he ages.

He chose the profession and he will live with his choices. He nor I am complaining just sayin’. They all aren’t bad. I have no idea what he would do under martial law but I suspect he likes to feed his family. Those who have an alternative way of living will be the ones that will drop out. My son has an alternative but I still don’t know what he would do. But as his mother, I can see his life in peril in either situation.


63 posted on 03/22/2012 2:21:54 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: 556x45
They might not like it but they’ll do it. Anyone thinking otherwise will have a rude and perhaps terminal eye opening.

I have been saying this since all the flack during the Clinton dynasty but people keep believing that it could never happen here.

The fallacy that the people would or could resist our modern military with the weapons they are allowed to have is just silly.

Of course if they had to operate under the same ROE as they do in Afghanistan we might have a chance.

64 posted on 03/22/2012 2:26:22 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: wolficatZ
This is the FIRST time in my lifetime I’ve heard this concern so frequently, so seriously.

It was being said about Clinton pretty frequently, but there were fewer outlets for it at the time. It certainly didn't come up on ABCNNBCBS. We thought that "outing" the plot would stop it, and *maybe* it did!

Some of the far left were saying it about GWB as well.

65 posted on 03/22/2012 2:28:11 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: grumpygresh
We have never really had a dictator in the US(unless you consider FDR a dictator), and it is difficult to predict how citizens or the military would react.

Ambushes, IEDs, snipers, oh my!
Ambushes, IEDs, snipers, oh my!
Ambushes, IEDs, snipers, oh my!...

66 posted on 03/22/2012 2:32:54 PM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: itsahoot
The fallacy that the people would or could resist our modern military with the weapons they are allowed to have is just silly.

I don't think it's silly. Especially when you consider that, of the 3 million active duty and reserve personnel in the military, less than 500K are infantry. If only ten percent of our population were to resist that would be 31 million people.

67 posted on 03/22/2012 2:57:45 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: itsahoot
The fallacy that the people would or could resist our modern military with the weapons they are allowed to have is just silly.

The Warsaw Ghetto Uprising would prove that point wrong.

68 posted on 03/22/2012 2:58:45 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: 556x45

There are more of us than them If we take out 1 each we win.


69 posted on 03/22/2012 3:02:09 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: dfwgator

What about all the people who will NOT rise up but expect others to do it for them? The Warsaw Ghetto was crammed full of people contrary to most of our cities and certainly not like the urban areas.

Those who think they are prepared might be surprised how unprepared they are. Here are a couple of real-life experiences as told by those who took part.

http://shtfschool.com/

http://htsurv.blogspot.com/


70 posted on 03/22/2012 3:13:07 PM PDT by Snoopers-868th
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To: dfwgator
I don't know about the bigger argument, but the Warsaw Ghetto fighters didn't win, did they?
71 posted on 03/22/2012 3:20:06 PM PDT by x
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To: dfwgator
Warsaw getto is hardly applicable. The weapons available to the military that we never even seen could well be employed, because the UN would rejoice. The commies know exactly what they are doing. The large cities would fall on their own within a week, the more resourceful ones would abandon their homes and move into the anarchic suburbs. There may be pockets of patriots that would hold out like those Japanese that were hiding on the islands, but they would likely never become more than a nusiance.

Mind you that is all predicated on the Military following orders, my sense is that they will.

Personally I think Bible Prophecy paints a different picture for those that walk in the light.

72 posted on 03/22/2012 3:22:48 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: itsahoot

The Warsaw Ghetto fighters had nothing compared to the arsenal that ordinary Americans have. And yet, they still held the Nazis off.


73 posted on 03/22/2012 3:36:47 PM PDT by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: WPaCon
The President of the United States of America, Barack Hussein Obama, has generated so much fear that the most common theme of posted comments and private communications is that he will refuse to relinquish power if defeated in November or that, under some pretext, he will declare a state of martial law.

This is an extremely common theme here and elsewhere.When Clinton was in office, many thought he wouldn't leave power voluntarily. When Bush was in office, the leftists said the same about him. Now it's Obama's turn.

The fact is, the real Powers That Be will not let anything get in front of the American people to shatter the illusion of elections It would ultimately be their undoing if they were to do so, so we are allowed to go vote in elections rigged by both major parties to make sure a candidate acceptable to the PTB wins. You won't have a real choice, because they don't want you to have one.

74 posted on 03/22/2012 4:43:59 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: 556x45

“I think the military would follow his orders w/o question. Yes, there would be some refusal but that would be the exception and quashed quickly. History bears this out.”

No it doesn’t. Qaddafi found out very quickly what happens when you order your army to kill their family and friends.

In fact, Qaddafi ordered his mercenray goons to execute nine members of the military who refused to follow his orders. The mercenaries ended up hanging from lampposts.


75 posted on 03/22/2012 5:06:38 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: 556x45

I’m looking through an EOTech with a 3X Magnifier, thank you very much.


76 posted on 03/22/2012 5:37:34 PM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: wintertime

I did not say all ills were imagined.
I do see much rhetoric around many that are.


77 posted on 03/22/2012 6:24:36 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: dfwgator
And yet, they still held the Nazis off.

They were not a strategic problem, resources were just not allocated.

When an objective is declared and the military are unleashed nothing stands. You have watched to many episodes of Terminator.

Remember Hamburg, literally destroyed, because the destruction was ordered, with more deaths than Hiroshima.

78 posted on 03/23/2012 1:09:06 AM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: Ajnin
If only ten percent of our population were to resist that would be 31 million people.

About a third the number of people that Stalin killed and maybe one seventh the number Mao dispatched.

I went through infantry training in 1954 how valuable will I be? You have done waited too long for me to help.

79 posted on 03/23/2012 1:13:03 AM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: itsahoot

Good point. I guess it all comes down to willpower. Americans have been exceptional in every aspect of human endeavor. Hopefully we are just as exceptional in resisting tyranny.

http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/2011/03/07/front-sights-monday-blog-5-group-at-1000-yards/


80 posted on 03/23/2012 8:41:23 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: wolficatZ
This is the FIRST time in my lifetime I’ve heard this concern so frequently, so seriously.

It was very common concern for Y2K. A lot of discussion on Freerepulic, but I think those archives are no longer available. The following is typical of the concern then.

Could Y2K Failures Bring us Martial Law?

81 posted on 03/23/2012 9:31:40 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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