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S.C. bill would remove 'stand your ground' defense
The Associated Press ^ | 3/22/2012

Posted on 03/22/2012 1:39:40 PM PDT by Dan Nunn

COLUMBIA, S.C. — A newly proposed bill in South Carolina would remove a legal protection giving people the right to use deadly force.

Denmark Rep. Bakari Sellers said today he wants to remove the "stand your ground" provision from the state law that deals with personal property protections. Sellers' bill would strike language saying someone who isn't breaking the law and is somewhere he has the right to be, like where he works, has the right to use deadly force to protect himself or someone else.

The provision became law in 2006.

Sellers says he was inspired to introduce the bill after the death of Treyvon Martin. The black Florida teenager was shot to death by a Hispanic neighborhood watch captain who has not been charged and said he shot in self-defense.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: banglist
And so it begins...
1 posted on 03/22/2012 1:39:50 PM PDT by Dan Nunn
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To: Dan Nunn

I really thing there’s an extent in which deadly force is okay. People shouldn’t get in fist fights and shoot each other...but I guess the devil’s in the details and how it works in the court system.


2 posted on 03/22/2012 1:42:52 PM PDT by Rick_Michael ( 'REAL' Conservatives who witch hunt their own, are no better than Obama.)
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To: Rick_Michael

I agree. That’s why the laws are worded “reasonably threatened” when describing the circumstances that you can use self defense.


3 posted on 03/22/2012 1:45:46 PM PDT by justice14 ("stand up defend or lay down and die")
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To: Dan Nunn
What an asshole.

The idea that we are PASSIONATE about eliminating "bullying" in Schools, but we want criminals to have their way with the populace, by disarming them?

I believe the elimination of repeat offenders under the "Stand Your Ground" provisions in Laws today are reducing the crime rate, dramatically, and "Holder's People" are scared shitless.

4 posted on 03/22/2012 1:48:26 PM PDT by traditional1 (Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Dan Nunn

Are the “stand your ground” laws materially different than the older “no retreat rule?” I have not paid that much attention.


5 posted on 03/22/2012 1:50:15 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Dan Nunn

For a very similar case to this one but with the races reversed, google David James, white vet, killed by black retiree, Trevor Dooley in September 2010. Dooley, even though he initiated the confrontation, was not charged in the killing of James.


6 posted on 03/22/2012 1:51:11 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Dan Nunn

For a very similar case to this one but with the races reversed, google David James, white vet, killed by black retiree, Trevor Dooley in September 2010. Dooley, even though he initiated the confrontation, was not charged in the killing of James.


7 posted on 03/22/2012 1:51:11 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: JimSEA
I believe Trevor Dooley was charged and is currently on trial, according to http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/03/20/florida-shooting-focuses-attention-on-stand-your-ground-law/.
8 posted on 03/22/2012 1:55:49 PM PDT by Dan Nunn (Support the NRA!)
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To: Dan Nunn

South Carolina wants to change a law that has been working swimmingly, because of something that happened in Florida?


9 posted on 03/22/2012 1:56:31 PM PDT by DaveyB (Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. -John Adams)
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To: traditional1

Actually, I believe the silent majority of law abiding Black Americans support Stand Your Ground. They want the right to defend themselves against gang members and other thugs and criminals.

It is the “community organizers”, “activists” and politicians who want to make all Americans of all backgrounds easy targets for violent criminals.


10 posted on 03/22/2012 2:00:42 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (.)
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To: Dan Nunn

To protect Holder’s people (black thugs) no doubt.


11 posted on 03/22/2012 2:01:50 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: traditional1

No, he doesn’t want to disarm them, he just wants criminals or their families, to be able to sue a victim who shoots a criminal. And also allow the DA and courts not to have to start with a legal presumption the victim is justified in using their weapon and that they’d have to prove they weren’t.


12 posted on 03/22/2012 2:04:54 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Dan Nunn

Shaddup, Bakari! I moved to SC to get away from fools like you that were prolific in Florida!

This is straight pandering to his constituency in a desperate quest to be seen as the next Obama. Ugh.


13 posted on 03/22/2012 2:06:12 PM PDT by RMDupree (I'm not really here.)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Umm, they are not that big of a minority if you know the stats of arrest in the black community. But yes, I agree that law abiding blacks support it to, even though they would never come under the same scrutiny for shooting a black criminal like a white victim would. For that reason I wish they would not be so silent on the issue.


14 posted on 03/22/2012 2:07:00 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Sorry, meant to say “majority” in the first sentence of my prior post.


15 posted on 03/22/2012 2:07:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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From Wiki:

Bakari T. Sellers is a Democratic member of the South Carolina House of Representatives, representing the 90th District since 2006. He was elected in 2006 at the age of 22. He is currently the second youngest member of the South Carolina General Assembly following the election of Boyd Brown from Fairfield County in 2008.

Sellers is also the first vice chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party.

He is an Alumnus of Morehouse College.

He is the son of civil right activist and professor Cleveland Sellers.


16 posted on 03/22/2012 2:08:39 PM PDT by RMDupree (I'm not really here.)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

The dogooders have done more to destroy black Americans lives than anyone else.


17 posted on 03/22/2012 2:09:23 PM PDT by Catmom
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To: Dan Nunn

Like a true democrat:

1 - Never miss a chance to manipulate a tragedy to your advantage

2 - Always try to piggyback your agenda on the misfortune of another

3 - Use the heartbreak and sorrow of the grief stricken to bludgeon others


18 posted on 03/22/2012 2:09:36 PM PDT by Iron Munro (If Repubs paid as much attention to Rush as the Dem's do, we wouldn't be in this mess)
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To: Dan Nunn

Rep Bakari Sellers is a CRIMINAL DEFENSE LAWYER..
Mr Sellers, KMA.............


19 posted on 03/22/2012 2:17:44 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: Dan Nunn

Is it just me, or does it seem to be crazy to base public policy on a few selected incidences?

Why are they jumping the gun to change the law based on a sample size of one?


20 posted on 03/22/2012 2:21:15 PM PDT by StaffiT (Obama is the name - Downgrading the country is his Game)
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To: Rick_Michael
People shouldn’t get in fist fights and shoot each other...but I guess the devil’s in the details and how it works in the court system.

The law does not protect those who engage in mutual combat with fists, and then resort to using a firearm to settle it.

It allows the elderly, the physically small and weak, and the handicapped to defend themselves against assault by predators.

Read it.

21 posted on 03/22/2012 2:25:19 PM PDT by PalmettoMason (South Carolinians need to start choosing a primary challenger to Nikki Haley NOW!!!!!!!)
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To: upchuck; SC Swamp Fox

SC ping!

I really can’t see this bill going anywhere.


22 posted on 03/22/2012 2:32:01 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: JimSEA
Similar case? Not exactly.

"Police ultimately* charged Dooley with manslaughter, openly carrying a firearm, and improper display of a firearm."
[*ultimately = TWO DAYS after the shooting]

Trayvon Martin was shot on February 26th and no one has be charged.

23 posted on 03/22/2012 2:37:03 PM PDT by Reese Hamm
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To: Dan Nunn

Thanks, the article I read was from 2010. Dooley should be tried from what I read. In the Treyvon Martin case, the shooter seems to have been stalking the victim (from the 911 tapes) and was told to back off. That is not right. Zimmerman seems in the wrong. However, this can not be portrayed honestly as a “civil rights outrage” as it is in the MSM.


24 posted on 03/22/2012 2:38:15 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: Dan Nunn
Sellers' bill would strike language saying someone who isn't breaking the law and is somewhere he has the right to be, like where he works, has the right to use deadly force to protect himself or someone else.

Why the hell would you need a law to give your that power in the first place?

And why can a cop use deadly force to protect his life, and civilians can't? I'm not talking about making an arrest - just protecting his life. It's the exact same issue, a human being protecting their life with deadly force from attack. So why does the badge change the value of the human life, per se?

25 posted on 03/22/2012 2:38:42 PM PDT by Talisker (He who commands, must obey.)
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To: Dan Nunn
"Stand your ground" is a hill to die on, folks.

This is where the rubber of the 2nd Amendment meets the road. It is also affects our fundamental freedom to live as free men instead of slaves of the state.

We must fight encroachment on that freedom everywhere it is attempted.

Trayyvon Martin is being made into a "saint" by the media, the same way Gabrielle Giffords was. Well, he was the attacker. Read the real story. Zimmerman was defending himself.

We cannot allow the loss of our right to defend ourselves.

26 posted on 03/22/2012 2:39:39 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Dan Nunn
Bakari Sellers's biography

Sellers is also the first vice chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party.

He is an Alumnus of Morehouse College.

He is the son of civil right activist and professor Cleveland Sellers.

Would you have expected anything different?

27 posted on 03/22/2012 2:44:12 PM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: JimSEA

Whats the difference between “following” and “stalking”?

If you’re doing neighborhood watch around your neighborhood, see someone suspicious and follow them to see what they are doing are you “stalking” them as you’re talking to 911?

I’d say from a legal standpoint they both were in the right at first. When Z broke it off and headed to his car - his story - they both were still in the right.

The question then becomes “What happened next?”


28 posted on 03/22/2012 2:46:58 PM PDT by PeteB570 ( Islam is the sea in which the Terrorist Shark swims. The deeper the sea the larger the shark.)
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To: RMDupree

Bakari T. Sellers is a Democratic member of the South Carolina House of Representatives

I personally HATE all Democrats .Is that a HATE crime?


29 posted on 03/22/2012 2:57:31 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: backwoods-engineer
Even if every negative thing they say about Martin's past is true, it is still possible that Zimmerman initiated this confrontation. That possibility warrants an investigation -- not a media circus or a lynching.

And I know, or at least hope I know, that no matter how un-"saintly" Gabrielle Giffords may be, you don't mean to imply that putting a bullet in her head somehow justified.

30 posted on 03/22/2012 2:57:40 PM PDT by Reese Hamm
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To: Catmom

Absolutely. Being soft or more “compassionate” towards blacks who commit crimes actually means not giving a rat’s behind about black crime VICTIMS, and the rest of the law abiding black majority, as most black crime is black on black.

One of the best ways for a racist police officer, judge or parole board to harm the black community would be to go easy on more black criminals, which means making it harder on the law abiding black majority.


31 posted on 03/22/2012 3:01:55 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (.)
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To: Dan Nunn
Gotta take advantage of the highly slanted MSM story to be able to enact law in reckless haste.


32 posted on 03/22/2012 3:13:13 PM PDT by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material. c)
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To: Above My Pay Grade
I believe the silent majority of law abiding Black Americans....

LOL!

33 posted on 03/22/2012 3:19:43 PM PDT by stevio (God, guns, guts.)
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To: FReepers
Denmark Rep. Bakari Sellers

Save the bandwidth .. your intuition was correct

34 posted on 03/22/2012 3:23:09 PM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Wrong, when Zimerman got out of his car he became the attacker. There is no other way to look at it.
35 posted on 03/22/2012 4:23:56 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: traditional1

“The idea that we are PASSIONATE about eliminating ‘bullying’ in Schools, but we want criminals to have their way with the populace, by disarming them?”

They’re not passionate about bullying as such. The recent agitation is specifically about gays. Since they don’t care as much about guns as other groups, for whatever reason, I don’t think you’ll get em on board.


36 posted on 03/22/2012 4:26:05 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: StaffiT

“Is it just me, or does it seem to be crazy to base public policy on a few selected incidences?”

Doctors call it the There Oughtta Be A Law Syndrome.


37 posted on 03/22/2012 4:28:33 PM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Rick_Michael

“Bakari Sellers”

LET....ME....GUESS....

Well I assume he’s a Democrat. What else can we infer from his moniker?/s;)


38 posted on 03/22/2012 5:07:09 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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To: Dan Nunn

Damn democrats, always dancing in the blood of the dead.


39 posted on 03/22/2012 5:18:31 PM PDT by aomagrat (Gun owners who vote for democrats are too stupid to own guns.)
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To: l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; A Strict Constructionist; ...
Time to contact your Rep and tell them to forget about this.

South Carolina
Ping

Send FReepmail to join or leave this list.

40 posted on 03/22/2012 6:51:11 PM PDT by upchuck (Where others hold a window into the world, nobama holds a mirror. h/t - Don Surber)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Thanks for the ping.


41 posted on 03/22/2012 6:51:21 PM PDT by upchuck (Where others hold a window into the world, nobama holds a mirror. h/t - Don Surber)
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To: upchuck

Always a pleasure.

As I said, I suspect that this bill is DOA, but driving a stake through its heart certainly can’t hurt.


42 posted on 03/22/2012 7:05:12 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: JimSEA

James was White Dooley was the reason. If Zimmerman had been Black and Martin White, this case would have been closed.


43 posted on 03/22/2012 7:18:43 PM PDT by sport
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To: Dan Nunn
inspired to introduce the bill after the death of Treyvon Martin

The parents and race baiters aren't enough, now we have the anti 2nd amendment crowd exploiting this kids death.

Don't they ever get tired?

44 posted on 03/22/2012 8:12:58 PM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: DaveyB
because of something that happened in Florida?

Why were there protests in NYC over this incident the other day? (The "million hoodie march" sponsored by Van Jones)It's a "national awakening".

45 posted on 03/22/2012 8:16:44 PM PDT by submarinerswife (Insanity is doing the same thing over and over, while expecting different results~Einstein)
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To: Dan Nunn
Another article with some great comments at the end:

Legislator proposes repealing parts of SC self-defense law

46 posted on 03/23/2012 5:26:24 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Dan Nunn

The Dooley/James case, played out exactly as the Zimmerman/Martin case is playing out, so far.

Dooley killed James, claimed self defense. He was NOT arrested that day and the police conducted their investigation.

Then charges were files against Dooley.

Well, Zimmerman was not arrested at the time and the investigation was conducted. I still expect Zimmerman will face some charges.


47 posted on 03/23/2012 7:00:20 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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