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Obamacare rationing panels an ‘immediate danger to seniors’: former AMA president
Life Site News ^ | March 22, 2012 | KATHLEEN GILBERT

Posted on 03/22/2012 2:41:56 PM PDT by NYer

March 21, 2012 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Concerns over the new health care law’s system for rationing health care - famously dubbed the “death panels” by Sarah Palin - have been reinforced by a former head of the American Medical Association, who said the advisory panels “will essentially mean rationed care” for the elderly.

Former AMA President Donald Palmisano wrote in a Daily Caller column Monday that the Independent Payment Advisory Boards (IPAB), tasked with keeping Medicare expenses under control, would have little oversight as they deal with the disproportionate cost burden from seniors with greater medical needs.

“The 15 officials who will make up the board will not only be empowered to make what is expected to be billions of dollars’ worth of cuts to Medicare every year, but will be required to do so when spending exceeds targeted rates,” wrote Palmisano.

“PAB’s recommended cuts will become law unless a supermajority in Congress vetoes the board’s proposal and creates its own cost-cutting proposal of equal size — an unlikely scenario even in the most harmonious of political times.”

Although the panels are expected to focus on cutting payments to the doctors themselves, Palmisano said that Medicaid providers are already being sucked dry - and warned that a more brutal form of rationing, using adjustments based on “quality of life” as already practiced in Great Britain, was likely in store.

“IPAB may eventually be allowed to resort to Great Britain’s chosen rationing methods and refuse to provide certain effective treatments to patients who need them based on costs and patients’ remaining ‘quality adjusted life years.’ Though the law currently forbids IPAB from engaging in such behavior, there is little reason to believe these rules won’t be changed — or at least stretched — down the road as costs continue to balloon and political dynamics change,” he wrote.

Palmisano warned that a group of lawmakers urging full repeal of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA), instead of piecemeal attempts, may miss the opportunity to block the most dangerous parts of the law, such as IPAB.

“[I]f Congress misses what could be its last chance to eliminate IPAB — one of the most egregious aspects of the law — it will be doing a disservice to seniors who need good medical care now and in the near-term future,” wrote Palmisano.

Read Palmisano’s full column here.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 2012; abortion; ama; bhofascism; corruption; deathpanels; democrats; fraud; govtabuse; healthcare; ipab; medicare; nobama2012; obama; obamacare; palmisano; ppaca; rapeofliberty; rationing; seniors; socialisthealthcare; zerocare

1 posted on 03/22/2012 2:42:09 PM PDT by NYer
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To: NYer

This is a nightmare.

(And Sarah Palin’s “death panels” were spot on!)


2 posted on 03/22/2012 2:54:19 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: NYer

Didn’t he parade around the country that he had the support of the AMA?


3 posted on 03/22/2012 2:59:53 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Right_in_Virginia

Any senior that was too stupid to notice that ObamaCare was to be funded in part by cuts to MediCare doesn’t deserve sympathy; it was trumpeted as a warning at the time ObamaCare passed (America’s seniors were thrown under the bus to provide insurance to younger, working-age illegals, because as Joe Wilson said, Obama lied).


4 posted on 03/22/2012 3:06:00 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: NYer
You can't have finite resources without rationing of one kind or another. In an open market, you get as much medical care as you can afford to buy, or else as much as your insurance company is willing to pay for. In a closed market, you get as much medical care as the provider is willing to deliver.

The government-controlled closed market will necessarily include government-defined limits on medical care just as there are government-defined limits on receiving so-called "welfare," food stamps, "free" legal aid, "free" education, "free" housing assistance, et cetera. The more people who demand "free" medical care, and the more expensive such care becomes, (the inevitable result of government involvement in any enterprise,) the fewer dollars will be available for any given patient. The modern golden rule applies: he who has the gold makes the rules. How long will it take "professional" medical bureaucrats in Washington, D.C. to decide children and tax paying workers will receive better medical care than retired people? That's already been decided. How long will it take those same bureaucrats to discover they can deliver medical care and withhold it from members of selected groups? How long will it take them to realize more medical care dollars can be sent to people in blue states than red, registered Democrats than Republicans, people who visit Marxist web sites than Free Republic, people in Chicago than rural Wyoming? We've already seen how the so-called "stimulus" money was so-called "invested." We already know how the so-called "investments in green energy" were divided among companies whose top investors and managers contributed to the current occupant of the White House's election campaign in 2008. Do you really need to wonder whether access to medical care will be any different?

People believe government is going to take care of them. The simple truth of the matter is they turned themselves into government serfs a long, long time ago in return for the patently false promise they'll be taken care of. The only thing government consistently takes care of is government.

5 posted on 03/22/2012 3:06:28 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Standing Wolf

Wait until the shortages kick in and Americans have to make an appointment and then wait months to get the lump on their breast checked. Ofcourse, democrats will race and sex bait that waiting time shoving people they hate to the back of the line and permiting their pals to cut in line.

People are going to go ape over what has been done to America’s medical care system. But it will be long gone. The diversity third worlders who know not better, won’t have a clue of what occured. And America’s medical research? It will be a memory.


6 posted on 03/22/2012 3:27:20 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: NYer
Dr David Janda Agrees...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HnkxIh62dQ

7 posted on 03/22/2012 3:45:39 PM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: NYer
Although the panels are expected to focus on cutting payments to the doctors themselves . . .

A few years ago, at work I overheard a doctor talking with someone else about Medicare and he said that his practice's average Medicare income is $17.00 per hour. That's less than a graduate nurse makes per hour here at this hospital I work at.

Wonder what doctors will make after Medicare attempts to cut payments more.

8 posted on 03/22/2012 4:40:12 PM PDT by 3catsanadog (Scats for Newt!)
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To: 3catsanadog

Doctors have sat quietly and allowed BO and the Dems to get Obamacare passed. They could have spoken out, organized, and made a stink about what was happening.

They knew.....but did nothing.


9 posted on 03/22/2012 5:01:47 PM PDT by jch10
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To: 3catsanadog
Wonder what doctors will make after Medicare attempts to cut payments more.

For those that don't remember, Hillary care would make it illegal for a Doctor to provide services outside the guidelines and it would be illegal for you to seek care that cost more than medicare paid. This will go there rapidly because Congress has handed their Constitutional power to a few political hacks. We indeed live with useful idiots and traitors in both houses.

10 posted on 03/22/2012 5:13:40 PM PDT by itsahoot (Tag lines are a waste of bandwidth, as are my comments.)
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To: NYer

I dont understand why no one has Mentioned Ezekiel Emmauel,Rahms Brother, He is the author of “The Complete Lives System” Google it,This Guy got 1 Billion dollars from the Obama Stimulus Package for the “Comparative Effectiveness Research Panel”,That is the Board that is Coming up with the Standards FOR THE IPAB! Read this guys Lives system for The USA,Never Mind Britain! the Majority of the Health Care Spending is Done on those between the ages of 15 and 45,Quality Life Years outside of that on the Young end you have not lived long enough to be of any use and over that ,you have already had your Quality years,sorry go Home and die.
WHY ISNT ANYONE TALKING ABOUT THIS! This is Happening Right here in the USA NOW.Go Ahead Google it and read for yourself


11 posted on 03/22/2012 6:48:05 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: NYer

I dont understand why no one has Mentioned Ezekiel Emmauel,Rahms Brother, He is the author of “The Complete Lives System” Google it,This Guy got 1 Billion dollars from the Obama Stimulus Package for the “Comparative Effectiveness Research Panel”,That is the Board that is Coming up with the Standards FOR THE IPAB! Read this guys Lives system for The USA,Never Mind Britain! the Majority of the Health Care Spending is Done on those between the ages of 15 and 45,Quality Life Years outside of that on the Young end you have not lived long enough to be of any use and over that ,you have already had your Quality years,sorry go Home and die.
WHY ISNT ANYONE TALKING ABOUT THIS! This is Happening Right here in the USA NOW.Go Ahead Google it and read for yourself


12 posted on 03/22/2012 6:48:25 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: Standing Wolf

This is already set up,it was started with 1 Billion Dollars from the Stimulus package,Learn this Name EZEKIEL EMMANUEL and The”Complete Lives System” I hope for your sake you are between the Ages of 15 and 45.

I dont understand why no one has Mentioned Ezekiel Emmauel,Rahms Brother, He is the author of “The Complete Lives System” Google it,This Guy got 1 Billion dollars from the Obama Stimulus Package for the “Comparative Effectiveness Research Panel”,That is the Board that is Coming up with the Standards FOR THE IPAB! Read this guys Lives system for The USA,Never Mind Britain! the Majority of the Health Care Spending is Done on those between the ages of 15 and 45,Quality Life Years outside of that on the Young end you have not lived long enough to be of any use and over that ,you have already had your Quality years,sorry go Home and die.
WHY ISNT ANYONE TALKING ABOUT THIS! This is Happening Right here in the USA NOW.Go Ahead Google it and read for yourself


13 posted on 03/22/2012 6:53:03 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: kearnyirish2

But, but, AARP was for Obamacare, don’tcha’ know? Must be good for seniors, right? Right? Uuuuhhh, that is right isn’t it?


14 posted on 03/22/2012 7:47:34 PM PDT by jennings2004 (President Hayes, Mount Rushmore, telephone, Dear Leader...what a mix!)
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To: jennings2004

You’re right; they flocked to him because Republicans wanted to grind old people into dog food, or whatever other nonsense they fell for.

They used to be a difficult group to cross; now they vote for the party that is prodding them onto the cattle cars. They’re retirement savings and social security payments have been diluted in value, and they are being squeezed for the costs of housing, feeding, and schooling the “replacement Americans” while their own children (in their opinion) can’t afford to have families.

I’ve seen it posted that there wouldn’t be a Democratic Party without women (it may have been an Ann Coulter observation); I’d maintain that you can throw retirees into that mix as well, though they apparently aren’t a force to be reckoned with anymore (unless it just became so easy to buy them off, like “black ministers”).


15 posted on 03/22/2012 8:06:12 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: NYer; All
"Obamacare rationing panels an ‘immediate danger to seniors’"


16 posted on 03/22/2012 8:10:11 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: NYer

Impossible. Everybody knows Palin was stupid when she warned about Death Panels.


17 posted on 03/22/2012 8:17:44 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (The only flaw is that America doesn't recognize Cyber's omniscience. -- sergeantdave)
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To: musicman

Those cartoons slay me....


18 posted on 03/22/2012 8:20:28 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (The only flaw is that America doesn't recognize Cyber's omniscience. -- sergeantdave)
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To: Cyber Liberty
They are some of my favorites.


19 posted on 03/22/2012 8:59:21 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: NYer

I thought the AMA was a big booster of Obamacare and the death panels. Why the 180?


20 posted on 03/22/2012 9:19:18 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: hsalaw
“I thought the AMA was a big booster of Obamacare and the death panels. Why the 180?”

Since medical school I, and many other docs have had little respect for the AMA and several other professional associations. The leadership of these is routinely stocked with politically motivated individuals who extract themselves from patient care and are impervious to the policies they support. They are not physician or patient advocates, although they will swear up and down that they are.

21 posted on 03/23/2012 3:35:04 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: SaraJohnson
Wait until the shortages kick in and Americans have to make an appointment and then wait months to get the lump on their breast checked

That will be interesting because many will remember the not too long ago when it could all be done in one day. Literally. I felt a lump this past November, a week before Thanksgiving. I went to my ob-gyn a few days later. He sent me to the surgeons office that very day. They saw me two days later where she ultrasound the lump (a cyst) and aspirated it right then and there. I was able to enjoy my Thanksgiving worry free. All with in a week.

22 posted on 03/23/2012 5:29:56 PM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: riri

I am glad it was only a cyst! I was not so fortunate but my problem was handled quickly and that is why I am alive today. Won’t be like that in the near future.


23 posted on 03/23/2012 6:14:18 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: kearnyirish2
No seniors I know are in favor of obamacare. Indeed seniors were the only demographic group with the sense to go for McCain in 2008. The majority of the brilliant young bright-boys from 18 to 65 drank the Obama kool aid. Old folks heard that song and dance before.
24 posted on 03/23/2012 9:00:48 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: SaraJohnson
We have shortages of various prescription drugs now. Some very common medicines are on back order by pharmacies. Not sure exactly why but I can guess.
25 posted on 03/23/2012 9:03:43 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: hinckley buzzard

I know they’re not in favor of it; it very openly takes money from their programs. I don’t think the AARP has come out against Obama, though; I’m not sure why they’ve given him a pass (unless they’re simply bought & paid for).

Like Europe, America is admitting that once people aren’t contributing to the tax base, they are economically detrimental; euthenasia won’t follow far behind the current plan to have blacks abort as many of their children as possible (under the guidance of our first mulatto president). The death panels are awaiting their first clients.


26 posted on 03/24/2012 2:12:16 AM PDT by kearnyirish2
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