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Zimmerman-Martin 031912.docx (City Manager Statement)
Zimmerman-Martin 031912.docx ^ | 19 March, 2012 | Norton N. Bonaparte, Jr ICMA-CM City Manager

Posted on 03/22/2012 8:17:42 PM PDT by marktwain

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To: PhilDragoo

Damn.


101 posted on 03/23/2012 5:08:28 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Look for the union label, then buy elsewhere.)
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To: PhilDragoo

And I’m sure he was suspended from school because he was late a few times...


102 posted on 03/23/2012 5:20:24 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: Moonman62

911 operators have no power to order a citizen to do anything.


103 posted on 03/23/2012 5:22:30 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: marktwain
What I find particularly telling is his unsolicited statement to the police, shortly after their arrival: I called for help, but nobody came.

Hell of a thing, ain't it? We know people heard him calling for help and I could hear at least one adult male voice in the background of a 911 call. There had to be more and not one person answered those cries for help. America ain't what it used to be.

104 posted on 03/23/2012 5:27:11 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: little jeremiah
Good point. We may assume Trayvon's school records are scrubbed or sealed--just as his Facebook account was.
105 posted on 03/23/2012 5:36:46 PM PDT by PhilDragoo (Hussein: Islamo-Commie from Kenya)
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To: PhilDragoo

bttt


106 posted on 03/23/2012 5:53:01 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: little jeremiah
[inaudible]

Listen again ... "f***ing c**n".

107 posted on 03/23/2012 5:58:22 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Alice in Wonderland

Maybe stop drinking from the bottle that says “Drink Me”.


108 posted on 03/23/2012 6:11:46 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: PhilDragoo

From what I’ve read, his school records are sealed by request from family. I wonder if he has a rap sheet.


109 posted on 03/23/2012 6:15:28 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: PhilDragoo

Shouldn’t it be “Trayvon All Growed Up” /s

Bet you won’t see these pics all over the place.


110 posted on 03/23/2012 6:27:20 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Mears

From his FB now scrubbed.


111 posted on 03/23/2012 6:33:27 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: little jeremiah

Constitution...rule of law...innocent until proven guilty. America.


112 posted on 03/23/2012 6:45:00 PM PDT by ogen hal (First amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: PapaBear3625

“Teenagers have been doing odd irrational things for all of recorded history. “


I had five teenagers in the house for a few years,believe me I remember those days.

On “Criminal Minds” once they said that they don’t profile anyone under 18 because teenagers usually profile as psychopaths. I thought that was quite humorous.


113 posted on 03/23/2012 6:45:37 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: little jeremiah

Well, well, well indeed. By the way, what the hell kind of name is Trayvon anyway?


114 posted on 03/23/2012 7:08:49 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe

A name of color.


115 posted on 03/23/2012 7:09:38 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: little jeremiah

So what?? Wow, posts like this make it evident to me that you’re into some sort of racial profiling. Who cares what he is dressed like?

Does this give someone the right to shoot him for no reason. You can find a black kid that has that kind of look just about anywhere. I personally don’t care what photos of him they use since it is irrelevant to the point at hand.

And, to be honest, those pics don’t look too much like him at all.


116 posted on 03/23/2012 7:10:38 PM PDT by bguyj2012
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To: Mears
On “Criminal Minds” once they said that they don’t profile anyone under 18 because teenagers usually profile as psychopaths. I thought that was quite humorous.

Love Criminal Minds. I remember that line. It's amazing the odd tidbits you can pick up from crime/cop/forensic shows.

118 posted on 03/23/2012 7:13:38 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: little jeremiah

They tried this same racist crap with Joe Horn in 2007. It didn’t work then and it won’t work this time either. However this time, we have a president that wants a race war to fire up his base.

Joe Horn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLtKCC7z0yc

Black Panthers get their a$$es handed to them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEZ9s0ZBAu8


119 posted on 03/23/2012 7:18:29 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s just a statement of fact; Zimmerman shot and killed Martin. It doesn’t imply guilt.


120 posted on 03/23/2012 7:19:09 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: PhilDragoo

Okay. I see why maybe Zimmerman was nervous.


121 posted on 03/23/2012 7:19:09 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: little jeremiah

A name of color? what color is trayvon? Never heard of it.


122 posted on 03/23/2012 7:21:22 PM PDT by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: bguyj2012

No one thinks it’s ok to kill a kid just because of how he looks.

It is ok to kill a kid if he is sitting on your chest beating the hell out of you...

Has zero to do with what he looks like though.


123 posted on 03/23/2012 7:26:11 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: little jeremiah
Maybe stop drinking from the bottle that says “Drink Me”.

Kiss My Royal Irish A$$

124 posted on 03/23/2012 8:04:21 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: bguyj2012

Hello newbie. Color me suspicious. Pun intended.


125 posted on 03/23/2012 8:20:16 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is afraid if he needs to start a fight with Catholics. He's losing the women vote!!!)
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To: marktwain
One thing that has bothered me is the type o sentiment expressed in this quote from the article:

The death of anyone due to violence, especially a 17 year old young man, is morally appalling

This assumes this was an innocent young man. There are MANY teenagers across this country who are up to no good. It is not a tragedy when ANYONE is killed. Sometimes it is necessary to protect the innocent.

126 posted on 03/23/2012 9:43:14 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Obama is afraid if he needs to start a fight with Catholics. He's losing the women vote!!!)
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To: bguyj2012; mojitojoe

A friend got it off his FaceBook page.

You’re a noob and a troll. “Racial profiling”? What kind of garbage is that? Martin was on top of Zimmerman beating him. You think Zimmerman should have just sacrificed himself?

And since the leftist media is showing only photos of Martin was he was several years younger, I think it’s in the interest of truth that photos of how he looked very recently to make it into the public eye.


127 posted on 03/23/2012 9:52:35 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: mojitojoe

Everyone is a person of color, unless they’re transparent...


128 posted on 03/23/2012 9:54:08 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: little jeremiah

you still dont get it. not every picture of every victim or perp in any situation is going to be one taken within the last few months or go.

maybe, just maybe they use those pictures to emphasize the point that he was still a child, not a grown man.

and again, those pictures are irrelevant to the investigation at hand. maybe photos of zimmerman with a bloody nose after the fight would be more appropriate.

To the poster who said you have the right to kill a person sitting on you beating you up: If that really was what happened, its a fight that Zimmerman instigated and started. And any sane person would retreat once they saw a gun, despite your assertion that he just kept pummeling away.
Also, lets look at the logistics of a struggle. Assume they were wrestling around. How was he able to get a clean shot at the guy’s chest while being pummelled? Instinct dictates that you throw your arms up to block the blows. If anything, Zimmerman probably showed the gun, told the kid to get down, mounted him, and shot him. The bloody nose and stains can be attributed to Zimmerman possibly pulling the guy to the ground and both of them falling.


129 posted on 03/24/2012 1:19:00 AM PDT by bguyj2012
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To: PghBaldy

Yeah, your racist pun didn’t fly over my head either.
Its nice that you try to use the possible race of a poster to discredit their arguments. Really nice.


130 posted on 03/24/2012 1:19:15 AM PDT by bguyj2012
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To: wtc911

“The same tape shows Zimmerman’s aggressive actions of following both in car and on foot.”

...as part of a Neighborhood Watch program. Your words are loaded and prejudicial.

“One was unarmed and avoided contact - one pursued with a gun.”

No. One initially avoided contact and ran like a criminal. The NWatch person pursued, waiting for police. Then what we know is that Zimmerman was getting the living crap beat out of him, before he shot the guy, amid screams for help.

Btw, the gun was legal and he carried a permit, something most FReepers advocate.


131 posted on 03/24/2012 1:59:04 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: bguyj2012

“If anything, Zimmerman probably showed the gun, told the kid to get down, mounted him, and shot him.”

LOL, that speculation isn’t supported by the facts known, and the opposite IS supported by audio from witnesses.


132 posted on 03/24/2012 2:31:36 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: rbmillerjr
One initially avoided contact and ran like a criminal. The NWatch person pursued,

_____________________________________________

Ran like a criminal????

Your slip is showing FRiend.

Exactly what should a teenager do when he is being followed by a stranger in a truck?

What would you tell your kids to do if they are being followed by a stranger in a truck? Go chat him up?

The kid did exactly what any responsible adult would teach him to do....get away from the stranger following you in a vehicle.

It speaks volumes that you see that as criminal behavior.

Oh, thank you for confirming that Zimmerman pursued him.

133 posted on 03/24/2012 6:41:35 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: rbmillerjr

And in the sentence after that, I explained what could have led to the bruises Zimmerman received. None of the eyewitnesses place the kid on him throwing punches down. The eyewitness accounts based on the calls show Zimmerman on the black guy, who is face down.


134 posted on 03/24/2012 6:47:22 AM PDT by bguyj2012
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To: rbmillerjr

There is nothing to suggest that Zimmerman announced he was part of a Neighborhood Watch program. The tapes alone suggest that he was already in an aggressive, frustrated state of mind by the time he exited the car.

Picture this: It is 6:30 pm, some guy, not wearing a cop uniform or badge, just starts tailing you in a car, you have no idea who this person is and what they’re up to. Could be a kidnapper or a gangster or drug pusher for all you know. You’re 17, so not much rational thought going on.

Out of fear, you start speeding up. According to Trayvon’s girlfriend, he initially did not run, he just walked fast. By the time Zimmerman got to him, he was only 70 or so yards from his father’s house.

How is moving to escape some unknown danger running like a criminal? Oh, I guess because the person running is black? Right? smh


135 posted on 03/24/2012 6:47:27 AM PDT by bguyj2012
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To: bguyj2012; Norm Lenhart; TheOldLady; 50mm; darkwing104

Everything you write is a lie, assumption, speculation or sheer nonsense.

You are a troll and why you haven’t been banned yet I have no idea.

When a noob goes around slinging accusations of “Racist” at longtime freepers and then takes the side of the likes of Al Sharpton and 0bastard, it rings a few alarm bells.

Your pathetic posting history is clear.


137 posted on 03/24/2012 8:22:24 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: PhilDragoo

Wow, where did you get that? Where are these pictures on the national and local Florida media?!!


138 posted on 03/24/2012 8:24:07 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Zimmerman immediately acknowledged that he "shot and killed" Martin. That is not in dispute. Whether the shooting was a crime or not, is the whole issue, and very much in dispute.
139 posted on 03/24/2012 8:31:25 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: NoLibZone
?? He doesn't look very white to me. Not sure though why you think it would matter.
140 posted on 03/24/2012 8:33:53 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: ltc8k6
.What do you mean no apparent source?" Isn't the police report enough of a "source" for you? The Chief of Police is reporting what was said when the police took their statement from Zimmerman. Get a grip, einsteins.
141 posted on 03/24/2012 8:38:27 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: ltc8k6
Sorry, junior. You're just barking up the wrong tree. This is all way beyond Zimmerman's 911 call, but you seem to be stuck on stupid for some reason.
142 posted on 03/24/2012 8:41:49 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Revolting cat!
Let’s imagine just for argument’s sake...,

Now you are really off the wall. Time to hang it up, Sherlock. This is real life, not Murder she Wrote.

143 posted on 03/24/2012 8:45:22 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: bguyj2012

“And in the sentence after that, I explained what could have led to the bruises Zimmerman received. None of the eyewitnesses place the kid on him throwing punches down. The eyewitness accounts based on the calls show Zimmerman on the black guy, who is face down.”

You are either illiterate or delusional. Check out FR articles now breaking stating that witness states Martin attacked Zimmerman.

Troll Bait...I feel Kittie lightning in the air.


144 posted on 03/24/2012 8:56:06 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Conservative Economic and National Security Commentary: econus.blogspot.com)
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To: Clara Lou
a “towering” young man < a short guy with a loaded gun

That's why they used to call them "equalizers."

You and the other zealots here really should try to hold your water until you get some facts instead of wild-eyed speculations. Not everyone is cut out to be Dick Tracy.

145 posted on 03/24/2012 8:58:10 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: bguyj2012

You’re a liar.


146 posted on 03/24/2012 9:03:59 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: marktwain
Think about it. We're doing exactly what Obama wants us to do. We're arguing about racism and guns. Next up on the agenda: race riots revisited and possible Martial Law?

I am going to take my own advice and not comment further on this issue until the investigation is complete. I have no idea what actually occurred but I do know that I can't trust the media to accurately report on the incident. I don't want to be one of Obama's useful idiots.

147 posted on 03/24/2012 9:28:01 AM PDT by arasina (So there.)
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To: bguyj2012

If the sheer fantasy contained in this post could be extracted, refined and turned into natural gas, the United States would be energy independent overnight. Eternally.

Go back to DU, the CBC or whichever network sent you and tell them you failed.


148 posted on 03/24/2012 11:10:50 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: hinckley buzzard

You’ll be surprised to know, since I can tell that you have not read my posts, that I am not a “zealot.” My only firm stance has been that Zimmerman should never have gotten out of his truck. I have not proclaimed him guilty or innocent. And I have specifically avoided speculation, because we don’t have all of the facts.

You are typical of the shoot-your-mouth-off-without-reading variety of commenter here at FR. I ignore the willfully ignorant, including you.


149 posted on 03/24/2012 3:11:37 PM PDT by Clara Lou (ABO! Go Newt!)
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To: bguyj2012
>"If that really was what happened, its a fight that Zimmerman instigated and started."

Getting ambushed is instigation?

So if someone blind tackles you without warning, and starts to wail on your face, it's your fault?

You have some warped logic.

150 posted on 03/24/2012 7:33:42 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Mohammedan law every woman must belong to a man will delay the end of slavery until Islam has ceased)
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