Posted on 03/22/2012 9:03:25 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
Ever since his CPAC Keynote Address in 2010, Rep. Allen West (R-FL) has been one of the gold standards of modern American political conservatism. He has also been widely hailed as a political model for conservative African American politicians. And now, following recent revelations surrounding the highly suspicious shooting of Trayvon Martin, Rep. West has joined a growing bipartisan consensus calling for the case to be reopened, possibly even with Federal assistance. West’s statement, put out today by Talking Points Memo, resonates with controlled fury (emphasis added):
itself in Sanford, Florida involving the shooting of 17-year-old Treyvon Martin. First of all, if all that has been reported is accurate, the Sanford Police Chief should be relieved of his duties due to what appears to be a mishandling of this shooting in its early stages. The US Navy SEALS identified Osama Bin Laden within hours, while this young man laid on a morgue slab for three days. The shooter, Mr Zimmerman, should have been held in custody and certainly should not be walking free, still having a concealed weapons carry permit. From my reading, it seems this young man was pursued and there was no probable cause to engage him, certainly not pursue and shoot him….against the direction of the 911 responder. Let’s all be appalled at this instance not because of race, but because a young American man has lost his life, seemingly, for no reason. I have signed a letter supporting a DOJ investigation. I am not heading to Sanford to shout and scream, because we need the responsible entities and agencies to handle this situation from this point without media bias or undue political influences. This is an outrage.
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The same as your proof that it was “self-defense”, from the culprit facing either an electric chair or a free walk.
But as I said elsewhere, I’m getting out of these threads after being threatened by a complaint to the management from a professional FR troll.
6 feet and 160 lbs. You are not paying attention to the details in the police report.
Read the report again. 2nd page. It’s right there in black and white.
The police report and the 9-11 tapes, the links to which are both available on FR.
Here’s the police report link.
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf
From what I have read and seen reported it sounds like it was investigated just fine. Trayvor didn’t like being followed by Zimmerman, wouldn’t talk to him ,and then followed Zimmerman and proceeded to beat the crap out of him, where Zimmerman was able to defend himself and shoot Trayvor, who was younger bigger and stronger than him.
Seems real clear.
I’ll tell you what. Take your head out of the sand, and start paying attention to what information has been presented. I won’t take the time to do the job of fact checking that you should be doing on your own.
On what to you base that assertion? Here is what the police said
Why was George Zimmerman not arrested the night of the shooting?
When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported by physical evidence and testimony.
If Zimmerman was told not to continue to follow Trayvon, can that be considered in this investigation?
Yes it will; however, the telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman, “Are you following him?” Zimmerman replied, “Yes.” The call taker stated, “You don’t need to do that.”
The call taker’s suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow. Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer, when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.
Which witness report is that? The one in which even the local police have stated there were no direct witnesses? How about the 911 logs in which Zimmerman was told police were on the way, and recommended to NOT make contact with the 17 year old (who, by the way, was walking home and NOT bothering anyone).
“Partial Report”
No arrest
Zimmerman treated for injuries.
You are a troll.
You must not have listened to the 911 tapes where a number of people witnessed the struggle including one who said it was on his porch.
Kiss off. You’re just a moronic clown. Last comment to you, ever.
LOL. That report says Zimmerman was weightless. Apparently the reporting officer has a part-time gig at the fair guessing weights.
The story certainly is appalling to me. Col West’s response is very responsible and tempered for which he should be applauded. I agree with everything he said. He is as true an American Hero and statesman as we have seen in some time.
My objections to this situation and equally appalled at the actions by Al Sharpton and the like to start a vigilante committee. True there was neglect in the investigation at best and racism at worst, however, pressure was brought to bear in the proper way in order to get to the bottom of this horrible situation.
The story certainly is appalling to me. Col West’s response is very responsible and tempered for which he should be applauded. I agree with everything he said. He is as true an American Hero and statesman as we have seen in some time.
My objections to this situation and equally appalled at the actions by Al Sharpton and the like to start a vigilante committee. True there was neglect in the investigation at best and racism at worst, however, pressure was brought to bear in the proper way in order to get to the bottom of this horrible situation.
I might suggest that you apologize for that stupid post my FRiend. Think first, think again and then type having a clear thought process intact.
I’ve gone through all the information including the 9-11 tapes. There are 6 witnesses listed in the police report, but no statements regarding details of the physical confrontation.
http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/docs/Twin%20Lakes%20Shooting%20Initial%20Report.pdf
The police report states that Zimmerman had grass stains on his shirt and Martin was laying face down in the grass.
I didn’t say there wasn’t a struggle. I do assert that Zimmerman started the confrontation, and therefore the charge of Negligent Homicide or Manslaughter should have been pressed as was listed in the original police report.
Welcome to the Troll City. It’s an honor to be accused of trolling by the professional FR troll, I tell ya!
I’m getting that feeling!
How did Zimmerman start the confrontation? Did Zimmerman throw the first punch?
Trayvon Martin was walking through a gated community which had experienced numerous thefts by black youths. Note: gated community = private property.
He was noticed by a member of the community watch, a Mr. Zimmerman, who pursued the 6’-3”, 200 lb. highschool football player, loudly asking why he was on the property and what he was doing. When he couldn’t get Tryvon to stop, he tried to return to his vehicle.
Two witnesses say they saw the assault on Mr. Zimmerman, a small, pudgy Hispanic male, by the much larger Mr. Martin. Mr. Martin has been described as sitting on Mr. Zimmerman’s chest, beating the smaller man’s face with his fists.
When the police FINALLY arrived, they found Mr. Zimmerman lying prone on the ground with a broken nose and bloody contusions to his head. Mr. Martin was dead, a bullet hole in his chest.
1. Mr.Zimmerman was where he belonged.
2. Mr.Martin was supposedly “passing through”.
3. Mr.Zimmerman was assaulted and severly injured, as two witnesses attest.
4. Mr.Martin ended up dead.
Was the shooting in self-defense? The police believe Mr.Zimmerman was where he belonged, as he lived in the gated community, and was assaulted with violent intent. The “Castle doctrine” fits.
No, I do not agree with Rep.West.
Note: all the above facts were garnered from threads posted yesterday on Free Republic. Amazingly, even the Boston Herald had an article on this incident.
Until we get more facts, how can anyone suggest that the attack was racially motivated or premeditated?
In LA, Mexicans shooting anyone is a normal day every since the Fast and Furious debacle.
I think maybe Allen West has not been completely briefed on all of the circumstances of the event. There is a good self defense case with eye witnesses and a 911 call with Zimmerman screaming help. He’s not an appealing guy but there is probably not a case agains’t him or the cops would already have arrested him.
I’m amazed at the number of people here who appear to be afraid of there being an investigation into what happened.
If there are no witness statements what do you base your belief that Zimmerman started the fioght on? Just asking btw. There’s so much hearsay and crap flying around it’s hard to make sense of this.
He only becomes confused by facts.
Too bad. I think Congressman West is responding to the media coverage and the emotion of the moment.
I’m amazed at the number of people who believe everything the Leftist media and racebaiters say!
All of those ‘facts’ you list don’t fit with the police report and follow up reports. In fact, I think everything you stated is false.
First, Martin was 6’ 160lbs, not the 6’3” 200lbs you list. See the police report below.
There is no statement by Zimmerman in the police report stating that Martin was on his chest. Zimmerman gave his statement to both officers at the time of the incident and did not state that. Zimmerman also did not tell either officer that he was being punched.
Martin was with his father visiting his father’s girlfriend who lived in the neighborhood, thus he had a legal right to be there.
Martin had no responsibility to stop for an unidenfiable individual who was trying to detain him.
The police report indicates that the responding officer had Zimmerman at gunpoint, then cuffed him and put him in his car.
The police report indicates that Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose. I don’t know where you get ‘broken nose’ from. I see no witness statements to that effect.
The police list charges of Negligent Homicide and Manslaughter on their first report. Apparaently, the two responding officers did not think Mr. Zimmerman was quite so innocent.
The Castle Doctrine is irrelevant here because Ziummerman innitiated the confrontation.
Info compiled here:
http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html
Zimmerman started it by exiting his vehicle and pursuing Martin.
Ok, I read the pdf, and no where did it state that Zimmerman was charged with any crime.
In fact, it stated that the officers observed injuries to Zimmerman, and it also stated that Zimmerman stated that the sceams for help where his.
At this point I’m wondering if Trayon’s corpse showed any other trauma aside from the bullet wound...
Anyhow I appreciate the police reports that support Zimmerman’s version of events.
Thanks much.
Just checked the pdf.
Zimmerman wasn’t arrested, he was assaulted and he defended himself according to the police.
Head in the sand? I think not.
No, I think he’s reading the police report and follow up reports as you should before throwing West under the bus.
All info here:
http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html
No where have I made a claim that Zimmerman is guilty of pre-meditated murder. I have questions regarding how this incident happened, and I believe it is prudent to have an investigation. If Zimmerman was indeed using self-defense, then an investigation should show that. Why the fear of having an investigation?
So Mr. Zimmmerman doesn’t have a right to get out and walk in his own gated community? Interesting.
Mr. Martin ran away from Mr. Zimmerman shortly after Mr. Zimmerman got out of his truck. Were you not aware of that?
And, of course, you were there and witnessed the incident, right? No? Oh, then the officer who you claim wrote that Zimmerman defended himself was witness to the incident? No? Oh, then there are numerous witnesses to the incident from the begining of all that took place leading up to the shooting? No? Then, where do you or anyone else get off making facts where there are no facts. Why would you fear an outside investigation? Yes, head in sand.
I obviously have my own opinion. But, that 6' 160lbs, is off the dead kids drivers license. That's how they knew who he was. He could have grown from when he was issued that card.
The portrayal of George Zimmerman in the media, as well as the series of events that led to the tragic shooting are false and extremely misleading. Unfortunately, some individuals and organizations have used this tragedy to further their own causes and agendas.
This I believe!
If there is an Enemy its the MSM - quit fighting amongest yourselves.
Where have I advocated that Al Sharpton et al should be listened to and believed? In fact, I’ve not read any comment here which suggests that. I’ve only stated that I believe an independent investigation appears appropriate given that there are so many questions that have been raised. Are you saying that you fear an independent investigation? If so, why?
That is not what the police said.
Yes it will; however, the telecommunications call taker asked Zimmerman, “Are you following him?” Zimmerman replied, “Yes.” The call taker stated, “You don’t need to do that.”
The call taker’s suggestion is not a lawful order that Mr. Zimmerman would be required to follow. Zimmerman’s statement was that he had lost sight of Trayvon and was returning to his truck to meet the police officer, when he says he was attacked by Trayvon.
Just because you don't like how/rate/outcome of the ongoing investigation doesn't give the federal got jurisdiction into this unless your a race baiter and a troll. So go FO!
What you’ve posted proves nothing more than after the fact details. There is nothing there which provides any facts that either Zimmerman or Martin started the incident. There has been no witness statements which have provided evidence of any kind prior to the reported fighting and the shot being heard. Zimmerman could easily have confronted Martin, and Martin could have engaged in “self-defense”. The fact that the guy with the gun won means nothing as to who the original aggressor is.
To me it sounds like you have swallowed the Leftist Flavor-Aid.
The Feds don’t need to stick their noses into a city/town matter that they have investigated already. If the state thinks that the police department acted improperly let them do the investigation.
Everything I have read plus what I heard on the 911 calls indicates to me that Mr. Zimmerman was justified in shooting Trayvon because it was Trayvon was attacked first.
Even a so-called black “conservative” can’t see passed the skin color.
It would appear that you’ve tried, convicted, and sentenced a dead 17 year old who is unable to give his side of what happened. That is sad.
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