Skip to comments.One problem: Rick Santorum never said he would ‘rather have Barack Obama as president’
Posted on 03/23/2012 8:07:36 AM PDT by God'sgrrl
Rick Santorum is getting grief even from some of his supporters for saying wed be better off sticking with Barack Obama.
The only problem is
he didnt say that.
Heres what Santorum actually said:
You win by giving people a choice. You win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone whos just going to be a little different than the person in there. If youre going to be a little different, we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future, Santorum told a crowd at USAA.
I was thinking that at this stage our best hope was for Romney to unify the GOP by bringing in Santorum. This way Santorum could help keep Romney pointed in right direction. Romney strong on financial issues, Santorum strong on social matters, I thought it could work.
I think Santorum just blew up that idea.
In case you haven't noticed any honest man or true conservative in the public arena is always subject to “daily carnage by the media.” Look at
Sarah Palin. Look at Rush Limbaugh.
I do not think we should choose our candidates based on the cowardly standard that we are afraid the media will lie about them or attack them. Choose the man with the strongest moral principles. Choose the man who sticks to his principles and is not afraid of dishonest attack after dishonest attack. Choose the man who is not afraid of “daily carnage by the media.”
It is now to the point of really pitiful embarrassment when it comes to the posts of Mr. PSYCHO-FREEP on these Santorum threads, and I challenge each and every of my fellow Santorum supporters here to donate exactly ONE DOLLAR on line to Rick Santorum over the next two weeks for each negative, unproductive comment you place on a Santorum thread causing trouble and disruption. I hope you can see that your negative energy is only going to come full circle. And I myself will be the first to open my credit card particulars to RICK online tomorrow with your chronic, almost maniacal pettiness in mind. A ceasefire is meaningless with you, so I am going to convert this into good energy as positive wind at the back of Mr. Santorum to further him down the road to1600 even more so, like it or not. 心からの約束です。
Thanks for this post. That was my thought when I saw the post on Drudge and then read the thread here.
This forum is filled with with crazed Santorum haters. I have nothing against those who prefer Gingrich, although given his record, I disagree with them. But the kind of insane hate on display is very discouraging.
What he said is exactly what I think. We have a Communist, Muslim, totalitarian, baby-killing illegal alien in the White House, and what does the GOP want to run against him—someone nearly as bad. Someone as much like him as they could find. And then everyone sucks up the koolaid and bashes Rick for pointing this out. Even on this thread we see the same behavior.
I expect no better from the GOP establishment, which would rather lose than give up their pork and power. But I am very disappointed in allo the Freepers who have fallen for the enemy’s tricks like this. We need to coalesce and line up behind someone who can save our country, but it’s evident that too many of us would rather spend all their energy bashing the other conservatives in the race.
Well, this will probably finish Rick. And Newt already seems to have faded. So, that leaves Romney.
I will never vote for Romney. The only alternative will be a write-in candidate, but it’s becoming obvious that conservative voters will have to be dragged kicking and screaming before they will agree on one.
Not a Newbie. I have been here since at least 1997 or 1998. It doesn’t matter who I am for but I am for Palin and Newt.
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PA is a very moderate to liberal state. It’s easy to see why Santo was elected there.
I sent the following email to Matt Drudge, but got no reply:
Matt, I do not begrudge you the right to support Romney. That’s fine. But there are honorable and dishonorable ways of supporting a candidate.
I always thought you would choose the honorable ways. I’ve always respected you, and never expected that you would misrepresent the truth.
But that’s what you did today, with your deceptive headline, “Santorum snaps: Obama preferable to Romney.”
That’s not what Santorum meant, that’s Romney’s ridiculous attempt to spin what Santorum said into something he obviously didn’t mean. Anyone who reads what Rick said can see that he was talking about how the voters will view the race. He wasn’t saying that he thinks Obama would be preferable to Romney, he’s saying that voters will think that, if there’s little contrast between the candidates. He was talking about how the GOP can win - or lose. If the GOP candidate is only a little different from Obama, voters will think, “better the devil I know than the one I don’t,” and the GOP will lose again, just like we did with McCain and Dole. Santorum said:
You win by giving people a choice, you win by giving people the opportunity to see a different vision for our country, not someone whos just going to be a little different than the person in there.
I think Santorum’s right, and that’s why I believe he would be a stronger candidate against Obama than Romney would be.
I don’t ask that you agree with that, but I do ask that you not misrepresent what Rick said, as meaning something different from what he obviously meant.
I’m confident that Romney knows perfectly well what Rick meant. It doesn’t surprise me that Romney misrepresented it, but I’d thought better of you, Matt.
Please, Matt, make it right: apologize to your readers for misrepresenting what Santorum said and meant.
Sincerely, but sadly, yours,
Very true. And don't forget all the Federal district judges that are likely to be appointed in the next four years.
I shudder to think who Obama will appoint should he get four more years.
That's very apparent to the liberals....their sites are loving the "entertainment" and laughing their butts off. Santorum would do better if he'd "think" while responding but he doesn't have the knack to do so.
So since he didn’t name O’Bama and Romney by name it all right with the Santorum folks. Since O’Bama is who we have now and Romney is the only candidate recently connected with an etch-a-sketch it seems pretty obvious who he was talking about.
I truly believe that Mitt Romney = George Ryan.
If we elect a RINO he will kill the GOP party for years to come. And so if it’s Mitt or Obama...
I WILL VOTE 3rd party!
First nobody was talking at all about Saint Rick until after the three meaningless cauci he won unopposed. And second when is it a lie to quote someone’s own words.
Maybe you can enlighten a fellow Keystone Stater to all these egregious episodes where Santorum said things that furthered the Lefts agenda. Since you claim everyone in Congress and the whole state of PA know this, you should have no problem rattling off 8 or 10 of them off the top of your head.
>> we might as well stay with what we have instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future
You spin it any way you want — but that’s a direct quote out of Santorum’s mouth, and there is one and only one way to interpret it: “we” (Santorum and the mouse in his pocket) “might as well” vote for Obama, as Romney.
Not a ringing, enthusiastic endorsement to be sure — but an endorsement of Obama nevertheless, given a choice between the two.
How stupid of him to do that. Shades of John “Obama’s a good fella” McCain. Ranks right up there with Douchebag’s advisor’s “Etch-a-sketch” comment in sheer tone-deaf stupidity — but at least it wasn’t Romney himself that made that gaffe.
Does Santorum really want to be President? *CAN* Santorum function as an executive? Doesn’t look that way to me.
God help us! With two complete bozos as the frontrunners, only a brokered convention offers America some hope. And that’s but a glimmer.
Santorum does have a habit of making it easier for critics to mischaracterize him.
Why would he clean house? He is the epitome of a big labor, big government, establishment “take one for the team” republican. He’ll fit right in with the good ole boys if, God forbid, he would stumble into the WH.
Like Sarah Palin says to Santorum and his fanatics, Oh, Boo-hoo!
It's a great big grown up world, were reality sets the terms. If you don't like that, then you are in the wrong place.
In addition, shouting childish obscenities in another language is far from clever. It merely shows your lack of maturity and intelligence.
No way, no how, will I EVER get behind Romney. If he's the nominee, then I write in Sarah Palin's name and then go home and sleep peacefully about it.
Very true. And don't forget all the Federal district judges that are likely to be appointed in the next four years.
I shudder to think who Obama will appoint should he get four more years.
That's precisely the point Santorum was making. Romney is far too similar to Obama to be a satisfactory choice. He appointed plenty of Communist, abortion-loving judges to the courts while he was governor of Massachusetts. And, keep in mind, several of the worst judges on SCOTUS now were also appointed by RINO Republicans and stupid Republican compromisers.
We cannot afford any more Obama appointments. But Romney appointments would be no better. He has already demonstrated that many times over.
As stated well elsewhere on the thread, Santorum has a knack of making himself look bad. He's often so poorly spoken, even when he's right and well meaning, he bungles it so badly that it writes the media caricature of himself and conservatives as blithering idiots.”
Can't you see? This is the false narrative being promoted by the media, the Democrats and the Romney campaign.
Rick Santorum is intelligent. No one can deny that. He has been in Washington for years and as a freshman headed up the effort on welfare reform. I agree he is not as articulate as Newt or as good at dealing with the media but Newt has been subject to a vicious false narrative too.
You can take anything anyone says out of context and lie about it. If it is repeated often enough it becomes the accepted narrative.
Just because the media proclaimed Obama as brilliant etc does not mean he is. Just because this same media has proclaimed Santorum to be an idiot does not mean he is.
Romeny won’t be able to contrast with Obama on those issues, but it is obvious to me that the American electorate doesn’t have a clue about those issues anyway. If they did, Barack Hussein Obama would never have been elected president. The media focuses on nonsense all day.
I think the one thing that Americans do have a grasp of is that Obama is incompetent, and are ready to dump him. There is a feeling of malaise in the country, and it is time for a change. So I think that any of the GOP nominees can beat him, but it won’t be driven by any particular issue or set of issues.
Which is why we shouldn’t settle for Mitt. Now is the time to advance the pro-liberty, small-government agenda. That is certainly not Romney. Neither Gingrich or Santorum would be my first choice to carry that mantle, but they are what we are stuck with.
As for Romney vs. Obama - no brainer. If it was Clinton that was the incumbent, I would say “who cares, what’s the difference”. We could at least survive another four years of Clinton.
But Obama is a complete and total, absolute unmitigated disaster on every level. He is a dangerous reckless president. The country can’t survive another four years. He must be defeated, even if it’s by Romney.
Then, we can primary Romney in four years.
I guess you fail to see the irony in your mention of Sarah Palin here.
BTW, how's Perry doing with all that oil money that he was bringing in to his campaign?
Did you add that line for some levity? There is no way Romney will get Primaried during a reelection. The GOPe will make sure of that.
Santorum NEVER said he preferred Obama to Romney or that he wouldn't support Romney. Santorum made an insightful point that if the choice is between Obama and someone who is almost exactly the same as Obama voters may choose Obama.
The point that a Democrat can beat someone who is a pale imitation is true and the same sentiment has been expressed by Ronald Reagan and many others.
And Obama will be re-elected if enough people are as foolish and short sighted as you.
On the plus side, the Santorum camp and the Romney camp now have something to bond over. We may see a consensus arise out of this.
And both the country and the GOP-E will get what they deserve. No more nose holding, PERIOD!
Rush is right.
Hes been consistent in wanting to protect the most vulnerable and the sanctity of life, hes been consistent in saying we need to slash the federal income tax, she said, in an interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News, also listing Santorums stance on Iran. People will start paying attention to some of these other messages from some of these other messagers like Rick Santorum.
And many on FR believed it and sucked it up like chocolate milk.
Nope, he would nominate a flaming liberal and guarantee that he is a severe conservative.
Haha, yes, I added that with a grin. I know it would be difficult.
It would be like suggesting that Speaker Boehner will hold President Romney in check. LOL.
But there is hope that a feckless Romney could be challenged by a popular Tea Party insurgent like Sarah Palin.
Either way, the Tea Party is not going to be truly happy with any of the remaining presidential candidates.
Most Santorum supporters would go broke.
I like Santorum and I’m sure God does too......But he does not have the ruthless brilliance needed to go to battle with Obama. Newt is the only intellectual warrior we have. He’s like an old seasoned sea captain who knows the ways around the reefs. Wish more people would see it.
we might as well stay with what we have(Obama) instead of taking a risk with what may be the Etch A Sketch candidate of the future(mittens),
Its in black and white. Even Pro Santorum Delegate that he has already won is struggling with his comments.
Thank you for posting this.
It makes more sense when you ignore all the liberal interpretation and give the quote directly.
I don’t care how bad people twist his words, or try to make him out to be an idiot...I still support Santorum.
Of ALL the candidates we have right now...he’s the one I’d trust the most to do what he says. And he’s right about this one too.
Already done more than once I might add...
You can start with Ricks support for Spector which he was the deciding vote in ObamaCare. Had Rick refrained from doing so and listened to those who advised him against doing so we wouldn’t have oBamacare today.
Santorum voted for Sotomyer as 2nd circuit judge in NY..she was a Clinton nominee...Santorum crossed over and voted with the Democrates.
Rick Santorum voted ‘against’ the Campaign Reform Act
While serving as a Senator in Washington D.C. he was among those listed on the 2006 Most Corrupt Politicians list..... The three most corrupt Senate members are the infamous Conrad Burns (R-MT), Bill Frist (R-TN), and Rick Santorum (R-PA)
Pay to play....During his last year in office, Santorum accepted more cash from Lobbyists than any other member of congress.
Santorum voted for Sarbanes-Oxley which imposed dramatic new job-killing accounting regulations on businesses
When Santorum went to the Senate and particularly when he was in the Senate Leadership, Santorum went completely off the rails legislating as a moderate.
In the 2006 race, Santorum campaigned as ‘a liberal’ for which he lost and deserved to lose his reelection bid for US Senate - 59% to 41% - an 18% massacre in a must-win state. Santorums loss was the largest defeat by a Republican United States senator seeking election or re-election in modern Pennsylvania history.
Santorum boasted of ‘teaming up with Joe Lieberman, Barbara Boxer and Hillary Clinton’ in his 2006 political ad for re-election to the U.S. Senate.
Santorum ‘opposed the Tea Party’ and its reforms in the Republican Party and conservative movement just a couple years ago saying,...... And I will vocally and publicly oppose it.
Santorum campaigned for radical pro-abortion candidates including former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman .
in 2008, Santorum also endorsed Mitt Romney, telling us that Mitt was the candidate for conservatives.
Santorum actively supports the Global Fund, which channels a large portion of its funds through Planned Parenthoods affiliates around the world and through a British group Marie Stopes International (the largest chain of abortion mills in the UK, with 66,000 abortions a year.)
Santorum voted to require that Federal bureaucrats get the same pay-raises as uniformed military.
Santorum voted to allow illegal immigrants to receive the earned income credit before becoming citizens.
Santorum voted against hiring an additional 1,000 border patrol agents, paid for by reductions in state grants.
Santorum voted for FIVE times to raise the debt ceiling.
Santorum voted twice for a Congressional pay-raises.
Santorum voted to raid Social Security instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.
Santorum voted ‘against’ allowing health care consumers the option to purchase a plan outside the parity mandate.
Santorum voted ‘against’ food stamp reform. Santorum proudly claimed that he saved the Food Stamp Program.
Santorum voted ‘against’ a flat tax.
Santorum voted twice for internet taxes.
Santorum voted to allow Market Access Program funds to go to foreign companies.
Santorum voted ‘against’ transferring $20 million from Americorps to veterans.
Santorum voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization....and voted to exempt IRS union representative from criminal ethics laws.
Santorum voted to impose a uniform Federal mandate on states to force them to allow convicted rapists, arsonists, drug kingpins, and all other ex-convicts to vote in Federal elections.
And if you want further conformation of the above and addition to you may check this site as well as others:
Santorum voted for mandatory Federal child care funding.
See post 92# as a matter ‘of record’ on Santorum. And that’s what you make your decision by....not by trust alone...but by a candidates record or explantion of that record he may dispute. Does it line up with conservative values and depict their success as conservatives....or does it show they pay to play and or vote to win their next political career move.
Romney's positions on any given subject shift like the sands in an etch-a-sketch. If you don't like his take on an issue that matters to you, all it takes is a little shake and he'll morph into whatever you desire.
Mitt Obamney's the same as the "hopey-dopey-changey" we got stuck with since 2008...once nominated they transform into something opposite of what you thought you were getting.
" WEST MONROE, La. (AP)Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum is taking back his comment that the country might as well re-elect President Barack Obama if Mitt Romney wins the GOP nomination. Santorum emphasized Friday that he will support whoever wins the Republican primary. "
Sigh. Another day another clarification. Santorum spends more time clarifying and backtracking than he spends talking about gas prices.
I see. You can’t answer the question. You just give me the cut and past list of out of context votes that the voters have seen through already.
You said that Rick spouted off at the mouth. Your exact words...
“.his lack of discerning ability comes into play and his mouth moves accordingly........something well known in Congress and here in PA. “
Without trying to be dishonest again, why don’t you defend your statement and give me these quotes that played into the hands of the Rats here in PA. I shouldn’t have to wait an hour or two for your response this time either because as you stated, these gaffs are basically engrained in every Pennsylvanians mind they are so “well known”.
Romney isn't one of us. He is the enemy within and even a graver threat to the conservative movement than Obama, who, at least, is our open enemy and can be used to build up Republican majorities in the House and Senate.