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Is Zimmerman White because a "Hate Crime" form doesn't list Hispanic as one of the options? (PDF)
FBI.gov ^ | 3/23/2012 | Vanity

Posted on 03/23/2012 9:45:24 AM PDT by servo1969

I don't know if George Zimmerman is guilty or not. I wasn't there. That's not what this post is about.

I had already noticed that Zimmerman was always referred to as White but every picture I had seen of him looked Hispanic. I assumed that this the old "White on Black crime fits the narrative" trick of the media we've all grown used to. But it was brought to my attention that there may be an insidious official aspect to this matter that no one has mentioned.

Look at this PDF file. Notice that it's located on http://www2.fbi.gov. That's as real as it gets. Look at page 122 and 123. It shows copies of the Hate Crime Incident Report (Form 1-699). Compare the middle section titled "Bias Motivation" with the bottom section titled "Race of Offender(s) as an individual or group". Notice anything that appears in the middle section but not in the bottom section?

Hispanic is not one of the available options for "Race of Offender." Nor is Other. Any police department using this form would be likely to report George Zimmerman as being White if he were the offender but Hispanic if he were the victim. This would seem to me to skew the data collected away from Hispanics. And this is an official form located on an FBI server. (Yes, I know it's from 2004. No, I have no idea if it has been revised. I do know that it's the very first hit if you Google "UCR handbook online.")


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: fbi; form; georgezimmerman; hatecrime; trayvonmartin

1 posted on 03/23/2012 9:45:34 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

Maybe we should start calling him Jorge!


2 posted on 03/23/2012 9:47:24 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: servo1969

Hate crime legislation: Because some victims are more equal than others.


3 posted on 03/23/2012 9:47:40 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: servo1969

Amazing.


4 posted on 03/23/2012 9:49:05 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: servo1969

I saw one article that described him as a “white Hispanic”. Whatever that is.


5 posted on 03/23/2012 9:50:18 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: servo1969

The validity of your argument notwithstanding, “Hispanic/Latino” is an ETHNIC group; not a race. That ethnic group, like most others, contains individuals of different races.


6 posted on 03/23/2012 9:52:32 AM PDT by ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
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To: servo1969
What you need to understand is that their are hierarchies even within racial classifications.

Hispanic isn't really a race, but it is considered one because it serves liberal purposes of Balkanizing America. They would like to exclude people of Spanish descent because they are too light skinned and not good at staying on the plantation. But they can't because Spain is the origin of the fake race Hispanic.

So they set up hierarchies within the classification. Light skinned Hispanics from Spain are therefore a lower class of Hispanic. Zimmermann, obviously being a German name, indicates his blood is polluted by intermarriage with an inferior race. So that makes him even a lower grade Hispanic.

7 posted on 03/23/2012 9:53:39 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: servo1969
Excellent question.

Surely new avenues have been opened up for "hate studies.". Perhaps committees will have to convened to look into whether or not Hispanic vs Negro hate is even possible.

My understanding, however, is that only whites are capable of the "crime" of "hate."

8 posted on 03/23/2012 9:54:58 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("exterminate the bolshevicks...")
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To: servo1969

This one is about to blow up right in the Dems’ face I feel.

Pretty soon Hispanics are going to decide that this guy is being railroaded and they are gonna start pushing back.

Blacks vs. Hispanics is the epic “End of the Universe” battle that the Democrat Party has been dreading.


9 posted on 03/23/2012 9:55:22 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: servo1969
Many people are noticing the MSM insistence that Zimmerman is "white." I don't think the MSM will get away with it as even blacks can see.

It will be interesting to see if a riot or two can be made out of this killing?

10 posted on 03/23/2012 9:55:22 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: servo1969

no hable espanol ~

Mannnnn! Thats Enrico’s cousin!

Call him white and you got a fight!

He ain’t no steekin englais!

The people need to stick to the fax!


11 posted on 03/23/2012 9:55:48 AM PDT by himno hero (Obamas theme...Death to America...The crusaders will pay!)
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To: servo1969

The Federal government does not consider “Hispanic” a race. It is a demographic. “Hispanic” is more of an indicator of where a person is from, not what race they are. So, with the race choices being white, African-American, Asian, Pacific Islander or American Indian, I can see why Zimmerman is placed under “white”.


12 posted on 03/23/2012 9:57:03 AM PDT by scotts8826
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To: servo1969

They’ve been doing this for some time. Somehow, Hispanic or Latino is a race when it comes to victims, but not for perps.


13 posted on 03/23/2012 9:58:25 AM PDT by Nea Wood (When life gets too hard to stand, kneel.)
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To: servo1969

He is not white he is hispanic.It is the racists like Sharpton who is calling him white trying to start riots.


14 posted on 03/23/2012 9:58:35 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: servo1969

He’s white because he’s half white

The president is black because he’s half white

Got it?


15 posted on 03/23/2012 10:00:29 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (No wonder this administration favors abortion; everything they have done is an abortion x)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Blacks v. Hispanics is already reality on the streets of many cities.


16 posted on 03/23/2012 10:02:03 AM PDT by expat2
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To: servo1969
George Zimmerman has one thing that makes him dangerous regardless of his race. He is a frightened man; fearful on his job, fearful for his safety. This is so evident yet he was given the job which let this dangerous man carry a weapon. He did exactly what anyone with a brain could predict he would do...fire that weapon out of fear. Knowing that doesn't lessen the needless and very sad result.
17 posted on 03/23/2012 10:02:51 AM PDT by yoe
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To: servo1969

Yep. The FBI considers Hispanics as White when reporting crime but Hispanics are counted as Hispanics when a victim of crime. Totally racist.


18 posted on 03/23/2012 10:04:04 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

On the other hand, there is a racial subgroup of South American/Mestizo background that is by appearance—and for any potential discrimination based on appearance—what would commonly be called Hispanic or Latino as well.


19 posted on 03/23/2012 10:04:44 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: expat2

Zimmerman is White because his name sounds Jewish!


20 posted on 03/23/2012 10:04:50 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Nea Wood

Racially, most of the hispanics in the US are closer to ‘American Indian’ than ‘white/European’.


21 posted on 03/23/2012 10:04:50 AM PDT by expat2
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To: Buckeye McFrog

You are right. This is about to blow up in their faces.

There are facts coming out in slow fashion about this situation that the media doesn’t want known. It hurts their case and the case of the Martin/Sharpton movement.

When these facts come out, this whole thing will make Tawana Brawley look like a kids party.

I’ve been hearing things from cops and ex cops about this that are spreading through the police grape vine and if they are true and leak out, this will blow up in their faces big time.


22 posted on 03/23/2012 10:05:45 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: servo1969

I have read on government forms that Hispanic means you have ancestry from Latin America, Spain, or Portugal regardless of your race. It does not matter what your last name or your skin color is. Sammy Sosa is Hispanic, not African American. Former Mexican President Vicente Fox has an Irish last name. I have met Mexican citizens who have Chinese and Japanese last names. My favorite Mexican, Salma Hayek has a Lebanese last name. You can have blond hair and blue eyes and be named Adolfo Eichman III and be Hispanic if you have ancestors born in Argentina. Mitt Romney can claim to be Hispanic because his father was born in Mexico.

I know this is a bunch of crap, but that is the way the stupid affirmative action laws are written.


23 posted on 03/23/2012 10:06:15 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: servo1969

“White if he were the offender but Hispanic if he were the victim”

Yep, that’s the game the FBI has been playing for years. Gotta keep those crime stats for Hispanics down.

Otherwise, the sheeple might demand something be done about immigration.


24 posted on 03/23/2012 10:09:11 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: yoe

Is it true that Zimmerman had a bloody face and dirt and grass stains from being tackled by the guy that was shot? Is it true that the person calling for help in the 911 call is Zimmerman and not the guy who was shot?

This is all a big mess that the baiters and the president are exploiting. Obama should come out and call for Sharpton and Farakan to go home and for people to calm down while the FBI figures out what happened.

Where is Obama? He was so quick to Fluke, but slow to try to bring peace?


25 posted on 03/23/2012 10:09:24 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: servo1969

Most Federal crime statistics are not broken out by race or ETHNIC GROUP. Hence, for violent crimes Hispanic is rolled into the White classification.

I’m sure that crimes statistics are probably the only federal data collected that does not completely break down by ethnicity.

You tell me why.

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_43.html

http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/data/shrtable_03.html


26 posted on 03/23/2012 10:10:44 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Democrats love direct democracy until it's time to vote on something. Then they scream for a judge)
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To: scotts8826
Amigos, tenemos problema.

"Hispanic" is a strictly government designation with no qualifiers beyond which particular big-butted chairwarmer is leading the discussion.

It helps if the subject uses espanol as the motha tongue and is color of a brown paper bag. That much is almost definite. However, an Argentine, or a Chilean of clearly European ancestry might not be an Hispanic. Sorry, Sr. Guillermo Schmidt... or Zimmerman.

OTOH, a Ricky Martin Blonde Puerto Rican automatically is. As is a whiter-n-you Mexican. A Black Cuban, well waddayagonnado now?

Spaniards? No way José are they Hispanics. Sorry Ms. Penelope! The fact that she is a lovely tan color cuts no ice, while that blonde Puerto Rican chiquita gets the Affirmative Action prize.

Go figure.

27 posted on 03/23/2012 10:11:30 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: servo1969

Deflect and spin. It’s the Democrat way!!


28 posted on 03/23/2012 10:13:09 AM PDT by jeffc (Prayer. It's freedom of speech.)
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To: servo1969

Zimmerman’s father describes his son as “multi-racial.” That has to be galling the jackals who calling his son “white.” White, is not “multi-racial.”


29 posted on 03/23/2012 10:13:56 AM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: All
Pretty soon Hispanics are going to decide that this guy is being railroaded and they are gonna start pushing back.

I wish they would. Whites never push back.

30 posted on 03/23/2012 10:14:24 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: VeniVidiVici

Sorry. In my #26 I meant to say that Fed crime states are not usually broken down by ethnic group, not “race and ethnic group”.


31 posted on 03/23/2012 10:14:24 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Democrats love direct democracy until it's time to vote on something. Then they scream for a judge)
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To: yoe

Read this article and see if you still believe what the MSM is reporting on this matter. This article says so much of the same as cops I know are saying on the matter. There is much the MSM is NOT reporting on this situation. You can believe them if you want, it is a free country (for now), but I choose to wait until the facts come out and see what they are. There are always two sides to every story and in this case the MSM is only giving us the one they agree with and want to promote.

http://www.examiner.com/charleston-conservative-in-charleston-sc/zimmerman-was-on-the-ground-being-punched-when-he-shot-trayvon-martin


32 posted on 03/23/2012 10:16:59 AM PDT by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: servo1969

National People’s Radio characterized him as a “white Hispanic”.

First time I’ve ever heard Hispanic being modified with an additional racial qualifier.

The left is balkanizing us into finer and finer categories.


33 posted on 03/23/2012 10:17:54 AM PDT by DManA
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To: servo1969

Standard law enforcement descriptive information for actors and victims going back at least 40 years (during the Nixon administration). It was standardized at the dawn of automated law enforcement record keeping. People need to fit into neat little pigeonholes in a database. That goes for the Census and every other federal program too.

Persons are described as being part of one of the following racial groups: White, Black, Asian/Pacific Islander (includes middle eastern) and Native Amercian (American Indian). The codes are W, B, A, I followed by a slash, with H or N depending if the person comes from or identifies with a Spanish-speaking or Latin American culture. In this case, the actor is W/H.

The catagories are somewhat outdated, don’t allow for mixed race persons (increasingly common) and the diversity of people who may occupy the “Hispanic” category is so broad as to make the desciptor all but useless. Zimmerman is a common Hispanic name, right? How about Fujimori (ex-president of Peru)? Brazilians speak Portugese, not Spanish, yet they are “Hispanic”. Mestizos from Guatemala and blue eyed Spaniards are all “Hispanic”. But that’s the way it has been done since my salad days. Yeah, it’s stupid.


34 posted on 03/23/2012 10:19:26 AM PDT by SargeK
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To: servo1969
Obama figures he needs a race war, riots included in order to win.
Carville told us there will be riots in the streets this summer and some thought that would be the Occupiers.
That didn't work, so now the race riots will begin. Sharpton and crew are in Florida to make sure it happens.

I read this man is Hispanic with blacks in his family. also heard he was lying on the ground when he shot his gun. There's a lot we don't know but our Campaigner In Chief doesn't mind making a political circus out of any death if it can help him get votes. What a guy!!!!

35 posted on 03/23/2012 10:19:46 AM PDT by IceAge
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

A riot or two ? I expect Obama is COUNTING on a riot or three, to get the vote of his base up....


36 posted on 03/23/2012 10:20:20 AM PDT by Salgak
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To: scotts8826
So, with the race choices being white, African-American, Asian, Pacific Islander or American Indian, I can see why Zimmerman is placed under “white”.

Does that mean they can't call it a "hate crime" if a white man attacks an African national?

37 posted on 03/23/2012 10:23:22 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

“The validity of your argument notwithstanding, “Hispanic/Latino” is an ETHNIC group; not a race. That ethnic group, like most others, contains individuals of different races.”


Maybe so. Seems like some very convenient hair-splitting by the government at just the right time the achieve a desired result.

To be honest, the first thing that occurred to me was “I wonder what everyone’s Hispanic/Latino friends would say when asked if they are White?”.


39 posted on 03/23/2012 10:28:06 AM PDT by servo1969
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To: servo1969

I love these academic ‘Hispanic is not a race’ comments. So what? You can rest assured that The Hispanic Caucus, LaRaza, MEChA and the hundreds/thousands of other race groups have little problem with determining who belongs and use it continually in government policy, laws, finances and social BS. You can also rest assured that ‘white’’ is being used here as a derogatory target in what has now turned into a circus.

Certain folks clamor on about how race has nothing to do with it. Hell, race has EVERYTHING to do with it.


40 posted on 03/23/2012 10:28:21 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: servo1969

Hispanics are Caucasian.

If you don’t believe it, look it up.


41 posted on 03/23/2012 11:05:42 AM PDT by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY

You are correct. But that is not how it is used in government and institutional classifications. Hispanic is called a “race” in idenitification.

Why? Because Liberals wanted to divide them from whitey in the hate and blame whitey diversity power effort. Hispanic Christians have more in common culturally with whites in the US than they do with Blacks. Liberals wanted to isloate them from whites so they made them into an invented race tribe.


42 posted on 03/23/2012 11:05:50 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Buckeye McFrog

They would speak up if he were being portrayed as hispanic and being railroaded. As long as they say he is white, hispanics will be quiet.


43 posted on 03/23/2012 12:17:26 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: Phantom Phixer

This isn’t what you were looking for, but it is kind of interesting.

Race and the Application of the Death Penalty

http://www.capitalpunishmentincontext.org/issues/race

Questions of whether or not the death penalty was applied fairly along racial lines surfaced in McCleskey v. Kemp. McCleskey argued that there was racial discrimination in the application of Georgia’s death penalty. As evidence for this claim, McCleskey presented the results of an extensive statistical study by Professor David Baldus of the University of Iowa Law Schooland his colleagues. Baldus’ study collected information about all the capital defendants in Georgia—whether or not they were sentenced to death. This information allowed the researchers to control for hundreds of variables about the offender, victim and crime—thereby permitting a statistical comparison of cases in order to see what factors influenced whether a person was sentenced to death. Professor Baldus found, among other things, that:

Fewer than 40% of Georgia homicide cases involve white victims, but in 87% of the cases in which a death sentence is imposed the victim is white. White-victim cases are roughly eleven times more likely than black-victim cases to result in a sentence of death.

When the race of the defendant is added to the analysis, the following pattern appears: 22% of black defendants who kill white victims are sentenced to death; 8% of white defendants who kill white victims are sentenced to death; 1% of black defendants who kill black victims are sentenced to death; and 3% of white defendants who kill black victims are sentenced to death. (Only 64 of the approximately 2500 homicide cases studied involved killings of blacks by whites, so the 3% figure in this category represents a total of two death sentences over a six-year period. Thus, the reason why a bias against black defendants is not even more apparent is that most black defendants have killed black victims; almost no cases are found of white defendants who have killed black victims; and virtually no defendant convicted of killing a black victim gets the death penalty.)

No factor other than race explains these racial patterns. The multiple-regression analysis with the greatest explanatory power shows that after controlling for non-racial factors, murderers of white victims receive a death sentence 4.3 times more frequently than murderers of black victims. The race of the victim proves to be as good a predictor of a capital sentence as the aggravating circumstances spelled out in the Georgia statute, such as whether the defendant has a prior murder conviction or was the primary actor in the present murder.

Only 5% of Georgia killings result in a death sentence; yet, when more than 230 non-racial variables are controlled for, the death-sentencing rate is 6% higher in white-victim cases than in black-victim cases. A murderer therefore incurs less risk of death by committing the murder in the first place than by selecting a white victim instead of a black one.

The effects of race are not uniform across the spectrum of homicide cases. In the least aggravated cases, almost no defendants are sentenced to death; in the most aggravated cases, a high percentage of defendants are sentenced to death regardless of their race or their victim’s; it is in the mid-range of cases which, as it happens, includes cases like McCleskey’s that race has its greatest influence. In these mid-range cases, death sentences are imposed on 34% of the killers of white victims and 14% of the killers of black victims. In other words, twenty out of every thirty-four defendants sentenced to die for killing a white victim would not have received a death sentence if their victims had been black.


44 posted on 03/23/2012 2:02:19 PM PDT by Netizen (Path to citizenship = Scamnesty. If you give it away, more will come. Who's pilfering your wallet?)
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To: scotts8826

Only one thing wrong with your point: While the form does not list “Hispanic” as the offender, it lists “anti-Hispanic” as a motivation. It’s not consistent, and has not been for a very long time.

This has let to skewed statistics, it’s been known, and DoJ refuses to address the anomaly.


45 posted on 03/23/2012 2:14:57 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (The only flaw is that America doesn't recognize Cyber's omniscience. -- sergeantdave)
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