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Witness: Martin attacked Zimmerman
Fox Miami ^ | Friday, 23 Mar 2012 | Staff

Posted on 03/23/2012 8:56:45 PM PDT by Kazan

Edited on 03/23/2012 8:59:52 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

ORLANDO - A witness we haven't heard from before paints a much different picture than we've seen so far of what happened the night 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was shot and killed.

The night of that shooting, police say there was a witness who saw it all.


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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; obama; trayvon; trayvonmartin; trayvonshooting; trayvonwitness; zimmerman
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To: 101stAirborneVet; Fred Nerks; Beckwith; LucyT; little jeremiah

The State of Florida has fearfully named a special prosecutor who will in her sole discretion can conduct the investigation and arrest Zimmermann. There is no grand jury to protect the accused. The special prosecutor is female with show trial experience, Angela B. Corey, with a tough reputation, and a Republican.

IMHO the left has arranged behind the scenes to recreate a Rodney King scenario which will result in race riots when Zimmermann is later exonerated by a white hispanic jury.

This case has a purpose, to bully white/majority America into later not defending itslef from rioting and looting by minorities.The left continues to polarize and divide America in order to destroy it. The black population has been radicalized apace.It will explode this summer, according to the Obama plan in his election run up.

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Florida Gov. Rick Scott has appointed a special prosecutor to investigate the case. State Attorney Angela B. Corey will replace Seminole-Brevard County State Attorney Norm Wolfinger who recused himself after discussing the case with Scott. He requested the special prosecutor in a letter in which he said he was making the move “with the intent of toning down the rhetoric and preserving the integrity of this investigation.”

http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/03/23/trayvon-martin-case-police-chief-steps-down-as-protests-grow-louder/

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251 posted on 03/24/2012 4:39:51 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info.. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: dr_lew
The timing is also a problem. The shooting is reported to have occurred shortly after 7 PM. Martin is reported to have been going out for “Skittles” for someone (brother, half-brother?) during half time of the NBA All-Star game. The problem is that the game TV show started at 7 PM. Another thing is that in some reports the community is described as “gated”. Was Marin staying in the “gated” community or was he passing thru? What is the route between his dad's girlfriends house (where he was supposed to be staying and watching the game) and the 7-11 and the other (inconvenient) Convenience Store. Was he lost and just wandering around in the Retreat Development?
252 posted on 03/24/2012 4:41:14 AM PDT by RedEyeJack
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To: VeniVidiVici

If this was a cop who shot him, law enforcement would take his gun, give a urine sample and put him on adminisrative leave until the thing was sorted out. “Unfortunately this has gone too far” The reason? Zimmerman’s statement ‘was good enough’ and he walked away. I don’t care what color the kid was, that’s some accountability the Police have in Sanford Florida. Now we’ll see if he can convince a jury. All the race baiting and protests are now the result because it went too far? No because it didn’t go far enough to begin with IMO.


253 posted on 03/24/2012 4:43:41 AM PDT by anglian
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To: RedEyeJack

According to a police update “the deceased was identified as another resident of the community.” If he did not live there, I take this to mean either his father or his father’s fiance lived in the complex.


254 posted on 03/24/2012 4:51:49 AM PDT by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: faucetman

BookMark


255 posted on 03/24/2012 4:53:03 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: mylife

How is the Latino press playing this up...anyone know?


256 posted on 03/24/2012 4:54:12 AM PDT by BilLies (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hate your Traditional American guts!)
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To: JoeDetweiler
If you are in fear of your life, it doesn't matter how it started, you still have the right to self defense, or are you saying if you piss someone off they have the right to beat you to death without your doing anything about it.

Granted, Zimmerman may have scared this kid, but by many accounts Zimmerman was headed back to his truck and not bothering the kid at the point he was jumped, according to the 911 calls at least.

No matter how pissed you are about someone following you, you don't have the right to follow them and start beating on them.

If Zimmerman threw the first punch then the kid was acting in self defense, but I bet the kid was simply being true to the culture he was born into and was trying to teach someone not to "diss" him, followed Zimmerman and jumped him. My Opinion and I have the right to it.

257 posted on 03/24/2012 4:57:08 AM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59
I bet the kid ... followed Zimmerman and jumped him.

Then you and I are of the same opinion and I'm sticking with yours........

258 posted on 03/24/2012 5:05:24 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (No matter what you post here, someone's going to get pissed off......)
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To: Kazan

Time for a Elementary school, led by some angry progress teacher, to write a song about Martin, Obama’s adopted son, and his heroic struggles to be a good kid in a hoodie.
A kid who fearlessly walked through strange neighborhoods to spread the message of “hope” and “peace”


259 posted on 03/24/2012 5:17:59 AM PDT by Leep (Dueling tag lines=don't worry,you'll be a vegetable guy soon<>It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: PhilDragoo

Can you give us a source for these pictures?


260 posted on 03/24/2012 5:18:16 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Squantos

....Told Zimmerman he DID’NT NEED to follow.....

Important point and one not being pushed by the press.


261 posted on 03/24/2012 5:21:31 AM PDT by BilLies (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hate your Traditional American guts!)
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To: PhilDragoo

Do you have a link and source for those current Trayvon pics?


262 posted on 03/24/2012 5:23:52 AM PDT by Conservative Vermont Vet (l)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

I believe that photo and others were from Trayvon Martin’s facebook page. They have since been scrubbed from facebook and google search results.


263 posted on 03/24/2012 5:36:46 AM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: PhilDragoo; NoLibZone
Hey y'all .. about 10 FReepers have politely asked the source for those 'now' pics of poor little Trayvon, but so far *crickets*.

Given the enemedia/lynch mob alliance, I'm guessing they're pretty close to accurate, but knowing their provenance would lend MUCH credence to Z's account in this escalating ClusterF.

A source link, please ?

264 posted on 03/24/2012 5:39:46 AM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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pretty close to accurate? And I'm bugs bunny. And I'm bugs bunny.
265 posted on 03/24/2012 5:48:37 AM PDT by anglian
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To: anglian

Notice the top lip and the chin structure is way off.


267 posted on 03/24/2012 5:54:36 AM PDT by anglian
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To: Kazan

The Alinskyites have been planning this for years. They thought they had the perfect patsy, but it is all going to fall apart, and they will have shot their race-riot instigating wad.


268 posted on 03/24/2012 5:58:30 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the religion of the sociopath.)
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To: anglian
The exif info for this pic says it originated from WTSP News in Tampa Bay:

With that exception, there does seem without doubt to be an unspoken coverup on recent pics of Martin, as the only other ones being plastered around by the enemedia are of a kid ~5yrs ago.

Since posting my #264, I've read some posts upthread that Martin's facebook page has been scrubbed .. that links previously grabbed for same are 404.

For the sake of credibility (or not) I requested (again) that those posting the other less flattering pics cite a source for same, lest their motives be construed to be almost as despicable as the race pimps fanning the lynch mob.

269 posted on 03/24/2012 6:10:17 AM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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To: anglian
put him on adminisrative leave until the thing was sorted out. “Unfortunately this has gone too far” The reason? Zimmerman’s statement ‘was good enough’ and he walked away. I don’t care what color the kid was, that’s some accountability the Police have in Sanford Florida.

And what would have liked them to have done?

270 posted on 03/24/2012 6:28:26 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well under the banner diversity and tolerance)
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To: CrappieLuck
I see Rodney King style riots across this country VERY soon.

I will play right into this administration’s plans.

That seems like a rather odd strategy. I mean, what possible advantatage would playing in to the administration's plans provide?

;-)

271 posted on 03/24/2012 6:30:23 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: Kellis91789; NoLibZone
I would think lawlessness would wake the sleeping giant of apathetic voters.

One would think but sometimes I really wonder these days.

272 posted on 03/24/2012 6:37:59 AM PDT by SouthTexas (You cannot bargain with the devil, shut the government down.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

A Reichstag fire type crackdown on civil liberties


273 posted on 03/24/2012 6:40:37 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: okie01
You've summed up nicely the 'man behind the curtain' aspect of all this that seems to be escaping most other folks.

It sure has deflected a lot of the heat from the traitØr re gas prices hitting $4/gal nationwide this weekend !

The part the puppeteers haven't counted on, imho, is the longer-term psychological backlash from this if/when Zimmerman is found to have acted in self-defense.

Perhaps not resulting in immediate actions, but pushing the overwhelming majority in this nation right up in the batter's box of bellowing a resounding NO to any further attempts by the entitlement crowd to count on and use 'white guilt' as a rationale for indiscriminate mau-mau lawlessness.

Factor in the boy that was doused with gas recently and set afire for being white, that poor eldery couple in OK barbarically assaulted (w/wife killed) earlier this week, and any of a dozen other atrocities occuring with senseless frequency, and the race war that some of the anarchic voices seem to be egging won't be turning out to their satisfaction.

This nation has bent over backwards for 60+ years in a fruitless and hideously expensive attempt to make amends for wrongs of the past, and has had nothing but increasing and endless hatred heaped on our collective heads.

Enough is Enough.

/.02

274 posted on 03/24/2012 6:42:45 AM PDT by tomkat (FU.baraq)
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To: okie01

Somebody needs to check the friday night document dump!!!


276 posted on 03/24/2012 6:55:34 AM PDT by know-the-law
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To: CrappieLuck
I will play right into this administration’s plans.

If there are riots Obama's election chances are cooked.

277 posted on 03/24/2012 7:03:52 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: CrappieLuck

....Which could most likely lead to a “second American revolution or civil war”.


278 posted on 03/24/2012 7:12:21 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Mike Darancette

Many dictators rose to power during civil unrest and a chaos by promising to end the violence and restore order and placing the blame on opponents (Talk radio, white power and conservatives).

Then all we’ll need is a “Chancellor of the new Provisional Government” and the Fundamental Transformation of America will be complete


279 posted on 03/24/2012 7:12:29 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: CrappieLuck

Please see post number 278. THANKS!


280 posted on 03/24/2012 7:13:58 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: CrappieLuck

I was just playing. I know you meant “It’s” and not “I.” You’ve got to admit, it was a funny typing error.

Considering the “audacity” of the progressive tyrants in power, I need a bit of joking around to help me stay sane.


281 posted on 03/24/2012 7:17:22 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear (No More RINOS!)
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To: Grizzled Bear

LOL, You are right. I didn’t even catch that until you pointed it out.

This was my own “My Muslim faith” type error - LOL


282 posted on 03/24/2012 7:20:13 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: airborne
Any truth to the report that this “kid” was 6’ 3” and 200 Pounds?

I heard 7'8", 550 lbs, green skin.

283 posted on 03/24/2012 7:20:44 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Kazan

What’s going on with these “witnesses”?

....Cooper spoke with two witnesses, Mary Cutcher and her roommate Selma Mora Lamilla....”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/anderson-cooper-interviews-witnesses-to-trayvon-martin-shooting/


284 posted on 03/24/2012 7:21:09 AM PDT by BilLies (Ass.Press ABCBSNBCNN, NYTimes, WaPOSt , etc., hate your Traditional American guts!)
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To: Kazan
I am sorry but no information that distorts the story of the life and sad racist death of Saint Trayvon the Martyr will be allowed...
285 posted on 03/24/2012 7:21:24 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Biggirl

I completely agree.
I think the lines have been drawn and many people on both sides are itching for a fight these days.

One side wants to return this country to it’s founding principles, the other wants to shed them completely and move on to top down distribution and entitlements.

We have an administration that is fanning the flames of civil unrest at every opportunity.


286 posted on 03/24/2012 7:23:25 AM PDT by CrappieLuck
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To: Revolting cat!

“I now have reasons to fear for my life myself having read threats from various gun enthusiasts typing them and insults on this forum.”

So what else is new. That response certainly didn’t begin with this issue.


287 posted on 03/24/2012 7:23:25 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet

No
This is MSM “we have obscured the facts for far too long already”.

The damage is done. The people who are upset - are irrational. They already assume they are the “poor victims of all this evil whitey gonna shoot them in the street” - quite literally.

The fact that there are only 400 White v Black murders per year - INCLUDING all criminal element and drugs - is meaningless to them.

It is a disgrace that the left would take advantage of these dumb people the way they do.

They - quite literally - are not capable of understanding rule of law. They like “rule of feelings”. The AVERAGE Black American IQ = 85. The AVERAGE Black inner city IQ is 75. Sorry - facts are facts.


288 posted on 03/24/2012 7:24:32 AM PDT by Eldon Tyrell
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To: arbooz

The only winner here is Skittles and the makers of hoodies.


289 posted on 03/24/2012 7:28:12 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: All

It is ALL a diversion from Fast and Furious. ALL OF IT!!!
And not a mention anywhere in MSM. This witness better have armed security or he may conveniently disappear or have a terrible accident.


290 posted on 03/24/2012 7:29:34 AM PDT by halfright (Just a serf in the Kingdom of Zero)
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To: CrappieLuck

There will be bloody race riots like we have never seen before if Obama is not reelected.

Prepare for it.


291 posted on 03/24/2012 7:34:19 AM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: CatherineofAragon

I think it is a little late to make this go away now. It may hopefully be the albatross around the collective necks of Jessie Jackson, Al Sharpton, the rest of the race baiters including the majority of the left.


293 posted on 03/24/2012 7:46:52 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: max americana

Now all of a sudden he doesn’t recognize him as his son. Funny what a difference 24 hours makes.


294 posted on 03/24/2012 7:48:16 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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To: Phantom Phixer

“—do you seriously think it will make a difference to the baying mob in this case? They don’t care what facts there are. “

I think this will matter to a lot more people than you imagine.


295 posted on 03/24/2012 7:49:01 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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To: calex59
-- If you are in fear of your life, it doesn't matter how it started, you still have the right to self defense, or are you saying if you piss someone off they have the right to beat you to death without your doing anything about it. --

It does matter how the physical violence started. If you start physical violence, you lose your privilege to use force in self defense.

-- No matter how pissed you are about someone following you, you don't have the right to follow them and start beating on them. --

That's correct. Putting a person in reasonable apprehension of offensive contact is enough to trigger the privilege of self defense, but mere words is no excuse for initiating physical violence.

-- If Zimmerman threw the first punch then the kid was acting in self defense ... --

And Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter. If Zimmerman initiated physical violence, then he has lost the privilege of self defense.

The "who started it" play clock is reset each time the opponents break off and have an opportunity to retreat or otherwise de-escalate.

296 posted on 03/24/2012 7:49:39 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: JoeDetweiler

>>“Sounds like self defense to me.”

Maybe. Unfortunately, the witness didn’t see who started it. If I punch you for no reason and then you proceed to kick my butt, I’ve sorta given up my right to “self defense.”<<

But it puts to bed the lie that this was a white guy targeting a black yute just because he was black. This is dynamite.

Picture Yosemite Sam’s face after the dynamite stick blows up in his hand.


297 posted on 03/24/2012 7:52:33 AM PDT by Do Not Make Fun Of His Ears (Solid Conservative Values. A Man You Can Trust. "Etch-a-Sketch 2012!" /sarc)
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To: anglian

Good photo find.
This whole media driven story is all about photos. I wonder how many folks would be marching if the family and their PR handlers had not exclusively posted the photos of a 11 year old child to manage the impression that this was the skittle toting defenseless vulnerable “child” that was shot rather than the current day photo of a 6’3” young man and high school football player flashing gangsta poses on facebook. Zimmerman may still be guilty. I do not know the facts. But when it comes to a good story, emotion rather than facts rues the day.
This story will get a lot greyer if it comes out Zimmerman without having touched the “child” after following him was walking back to the truck and Martin assaulted him. Then we are getting into the factual area of whether deadly force was warranted in the beatdown.


298 posted on 03/24/2012 7:52:56 AM PDT by chuckee
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To: rbmillerjr
YOu really got to read a number of the threads from earlier in the week. All of that is covered. Be a good idea to bone up on Florida statutes as well. And some definitions.

You might imagine yourself to be in the right following around a "suspicious looking person', but what if he's just an innocent person, or a chil', and you end up engaged in something ~ you might find yourself on the wrong side of the law real quick.

That kind of thing can just ruin your life.

That's pretty much what we have here it looks like.

Makes this much more like that event in Wisconsin several years back where the Hmong guy claimed "they were hunting me', and it turned out that his self-defense claim turned to poop when they found he'd been shooting unarmed women as well.

Took a bit of time for all the news to get out on that. Then, even at trial, new stuff came up.

299 posted on 03/24/2012 7:52:59 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tucker39

I read something new. What are warlocks, besdies the Harry Potter, Merlin type of magic casters?


300 posted on 03/24/2012 7:56:17 AM PDT by Blue Highway
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